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[Poll] Next permanent United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Mou was already past his best after he left Inter and it could be seen both with Real and Chelsea, despite some successes. The 400m were not well spent. Conte is younger and hungrier, in any case comparing him unfavourable with a second tier manager like Pochettino is just ridiculous. We will see if and when he will come
Conte won feck all before he was given the Juve job, was my point due to your criticism of Poch not winning anything. And if winning Serie B counts, then Poch won the Catalunya cup twice ahead of Barcelona for Espanyol.
The only Italian Coach I would take is Sarri due to style of play. I detested the way Conte set his team up at Chelsea. He behaved like an arsehole too, which we could really do without right now. Your success at Juve is down to your brilliant football structure, which was led by Marotta, Paratici, Rybalta etc imo. The work them guys did to bring you guys to be amongst the best teams in europe was incredible. Something we should learn from.
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you seem to be a bit too emotionally invested to have a fair and unclouded judgement mate.
The comparison does not stand, because while Conte was certainly a bet the situation is very different because Conte had shown very promising managerial skills winning 2 serie B leagues besides being a former captain and knowing well the club, he had never managed in Serie A till then. So he won where he managed albeit in a lower division which is not easy anyway and then won the bet during his first Serie A experience and won 4 out of 5 Serie A or EPL that he played.
Pochettino has been managing in premier league and Liga for 9 years and he has won shit nothing, on the contrary the only time he went close to winning something he lost vs weaker on paper opposition.
Poch is not a bet is a certainty: he is a successful looser that is attractive for fans who are enticed by appearance over substance. All smoke and no roast like they say in the old Country
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First of all I'm not even overly keen on Pocchettino like some. My first choice would be Marco Rose who imo is a hot prospect as a coach and plays exciting attacking football.you seem to be a bit too emotionally invested to have a fair and unclouded judgement mate.
The comparison does not stand, because while Conte was certainly a bet the situation is very different because Conte had shown very promising managerial skills winning 2 serie B leagues besides being a former captain and knowing well the club, he had never managed in Serie A till then. So he won where he managed albeit in a lower division which is not easy anyway and then won the bet during his first Serie A experience and won 4 out of 5 Serie A or EPL that he played.
Pochettino has been managing in premier league and Liga for 9 years and he has won shit nothing, on the contrary the only time he went close to winning something he lost vs weaker on paper opposition.
Poch is not a bet is a certainty: he is a successful looser that is attractive for fans who are enticed by appearance over substance. All smoke and no roast like they say in the old Country
The thing you don't seem to be understanding is that, winning Serie B means nothing as far as getting a job like United. Conte got the Juventus job due to mainly being a ex Juve player. There was better candidates than Conte for the Juve job if the criteria was how successful they'd been at other clubs. Winning the second tier doesn't count for shit.
Also Conte plays crappy football imo from what we've seen in his last job, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club for that reason alone.
Guardiola and Zidane are two examples of coaches who were given the big job, on no experience at first team level and have been extremely successful. You probably would've been just as critical of them as you are of Pocchettino, right?
What are you talking about? Who is saying that United has to get a manager with just a Serie B under his belt?
Even though a good manager can be seen also in serie B. Sacchi had only managed Parma in Serie B when he was picked by Berlusconi for Milan.
You keep making confusion and to be honest I think you do not understand what you are talking about. Exciting footballl vs crappy football is the kind of generic BS that keep being thrown around when there are no serious arguments. The point I was making and you keep missing is that the comparison between the situation of Conte when he started at Juve and Pochettino now is preposterous not because Conte had managed top team before coaching juve, but for the opposite reason that Pochettino has and in 9 years has won nothing. The issue is not that Pochettino has not proven himself, but on the contrary that he has for 9 years.
After Moyes, LVG and Jose negative football, we have had enough of week in week out torture for the last 6 years.
Please get a modern attacking manager in the mold of Kloop or Pep. The fans deserve better.
Please get a modern attacking manager in the mold of Kloop or Pep. The fans deserve better.
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Carragher > Neville.
Has Neville had his say on the manager situation?
Yes. He believes Pochettino should be the next United manager.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-fit-for-manchester-united-says-gary-neville
Let's see how Ole does during this next few months. He might surprise us all.
My view is wider. I finds Neville views confusing and indecisive. I think Carragher has always spoken well. Recently more so on Utd. I think Neville has irrational loyalty to all managers. He sounds like a union rep all all managers. I've seen him duck/swerve yes or no questions on Utd for far too long.
I think we have so many pundits they all start to sound the same. I only like listening to about three. Alex Scott, Carragher and Danny Higginbotham because they study teams closely and discuss tactics at a deeper level. Neville and rest are not very insightful who can't avoid generic football cliches.
Neville gets worked up at social media posts and gets emotional when managers get sacked. I'm not sure why. Maybe that stint at Valencia did something to him but his blind faith in managers makes him look silly when he can't back it with proper reasons.
I spoke about pundits and the role they more here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-lazy-black-player-stereotype.443607/page-7#post-23426933
When analysis is carried on footballers who happen to be black the general theme of the discuss tends to focus on their physical attributes or body language. Many in the media struggle to discuss black footballers without falling into the trap of using stereotypical black footballer superlatives like ‘big, powerful and strong’. Whereas discusses on White players are centred around technical ability.
I think this happens unconsciously. We aren't aware we are doing it. The media play a high part.
We have too many pundits and ex-pros in the game who can't avoid this. I love listening to certain pundits like Eniola Aluko, Danny Higginbotham or Alex Scott. Mainly because they clearly studied teams closely. They don't turn up unprepared, they do some research, have interesting anecdotes. Football analysis should be meaningful and insightful.
But this isn't the case for many of the others, you hear the same superlatives being reeled off every week and that will naturally rub off us as as viewers, because we watch football every week and are taking in views, opinions on tv, radio all the time, and it must have a unconsciously effect on us too.
Being an ex-professional footballer should not automatically mean you are qualified to speak about football, because these views are heard by millions and it shapes our view too. We should have bigger expectations of people in the media. There should be more emphasis on finding people who can articulate their point intelligently rather than just saying xyz is 'lazy'.
Pochettino has done more than enough in the 'English premier league' on a small budget to be considered for the United job. The argument that one has to have won trophies to be considered for such a job is foolish, considering our last two managers had won 3 UCL titles between them. Which is the same amount we've won in out history, and more than your club has in it's existence and they failed miserably. i've given you examples of two coaches who had won zilch before being given the reigns at Barca and Madrid and they've been hugely successful.
Cunte is a decent manager but not someone I'd like due to style of play. You need to stop getting defensive over the dude and understand that not everyone has their head up his arse like some Juve fans like you do. He also behaved like a cnut in his last job and we don't want another one of those again.
Like Di Matteo. Sarcasm aside, we need to think more than how Solskjaer performs the next five months but also how he might get on as Utd manager if he does take it on permanently. He is under no real pressure in these months, & whatever happens. even poorly, wont be held against him. This will all change once he is permanent, & there is no bigger pressurised job as the last three applicants have found. Going back to Di Matteo, he won the Champions League for Chelsea, as well as performing well in the league, & Chelsea thought obliged to give him the permanent job. Unfortunately, it soon became obvious he was a bit out of his depth & was soon sacked. The problem here is you get the impression if a similar thing happened to Solskjaer it would rumble on for years until he was given his marching orders. So any decision regarding his future must be seriously considered.
Cardiff fans opinion here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.in...skjaers-chances-at-old-trafford-37642146.html
I think we can all agree that Ole is the right appointment in this time. However, for all the positivity, we should not forget that he isn't a top level manager, and the chances of him keeping us midtable are still regrettably higher than him surprising us.
Of course, shouldn't dampen our spirits, and I assume our players are of a higher quality than Cardiff's were in that they can take his instructions and augment its efficiency on the pitch. So, optimistic overall, but we should be looking at another candidate for a permanent manager.
There have been enough mentions for Tuchel for him to be on the list
Neville is too much the politician. I love his analysis but like most ex-players, he won't cross the club.
I agree he's my first choice!
For the last time I will try to explain my point that you keep ignoring repeating the same argument over and over again. Conte or Zidane or Guardiola have NOTHING to do with Pochettino. The point was not that it is a necessarily a bad idea to choose a manager with little experience in a top club, I made myself the example of Sacchi. A bet on a young and ambitious manager can be a bold move under certain circumstances. Pochettino has FECK NOTHING TO DO with these examples, he is not an untested manager, on the contrary is very well tested and he has shown on more than one occasion that he is a looser. And yes winning trophies is important when selecting a manager for a top team and budget had nothing to do with his inability to win vs Leicester for instance.
You keep repeating yourself like a Parrott.
My bone of contentious with you was your criticism of Poch for not winning anything. But then you resort to defending Conte by saying he got a promotion from Serie B.
Eddie Howe who manages Bournemouth has played a attractive brand of football with Bournemouth and has never resorted to playing a pragmatic style, even when he was managing inferior players in the lower leagues with Bournemouth. Currently he has Bournemouth in the top half of the table, and imo his work at Bournemouth has been even more impressive than what Conte achieved pre Juventus. Howe's achievement is particularly impressive due to him not wavering from his attack minded mantra even when he had players who were limited in ability. That's the mindset we want in a United manager.
Arrigo Sacchi was a legendary coach and his football was revolutionary for it's time. He was heavily influenced by great footballing sides of the past like Real Madrid, Brazil and Johann Cruyffs teams. Sacchi was a entertainer, and it's no surprise he was given the job at Ac Milan. I would've liked to have seen such a great coach at United if he was still coaching today.
I'm all for giving the job to people like Sacchi, Howe, Rose etc because they have a footballing mantra that aligns with our clubs traditions from Sir Matt Busby to Sir Alex Ferguson. Juventus gave the opportunity to Conte who had got promotion from Serie B. But we as a club and fanbase are programmed to look down upon people like Eddie Howe, who has achieved more than Conte pre Juve.
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You think Erik ten Hag shouldn't be on the list but then suggest McClaren or Preud'homme as our next manager?
I don't know as much as I'd like about Erik ten Hag, or as I'd hope the club and powers within it do, but he seems to have had a positive impact in management. He brought Go Ahead Eagles back into the Eredivisie after a 17 year absence, went to work under Pep at Bayern before joining Utrecht (who'd previously finished 11th), guiding them to 5th, followed by 4th, European qualification and a KNVB Cup final appearance. He has a 75% win ratio at Ajax and plays some really attractive football. There is also the prospect of him tempting a player or two to follow him if he were to come here.
It's pretty unrealistic that we'd go for him because of his lack of experience and trophies, but his style of football is something that we should be looking to replicate. I think he could improve working with better players and he could really become a top manager. I will be very interested to see how Ajax get on against Real Madrid.
In his first year with PSG and still has a contract, why will he think of leaving to us now ? PSG is also an easier job now.
I think Poch could do really well here & have a long time here too.
He’s got a good thing at Spurs but to join Manchester United & all the prestige & history that comes with managing one of the biggest clubs in the world with all the pressure it entails I’m sure he’d love to give it a go! Any Spurs fans thinking otherwise are a bit naive
He’s got a good thing at Spurs but to join Manchester United & all the prestige & history that comes with managing one of the biggest clubs in the world with all the pressure it entails I’m sure he’d love to give it a go! Any Spurs fans thinking otherwise are a bit naive
Agreed. If United go all in for Pochettino I’m sure he’ll come.
Nagelsmann has been mentioned as well.
Two bald kings
You clearly missed the last paragraph, I wasn't being serious
There's 0% chance he will ever become a top manager though. Anyone who's heard him talk for 2 minutes understands this. He could be a really good coach for Ajax in the coming years, although he as to win a trophy or knock out Real Madrid to keep his job.
Problem with Zidane is that he would want to mould the club in his image and we've been down that road three times before now and it doesn't work for us. We need someone to come in and uphold what we stand for ala Barcelona. If Pochettino is willing to do that and Solskjaer can't, then Poch is our man.
Do you think that is achievable when they don't have a transfer budget and are now in debt because of their new stadium? If they don't win anything of substance soon they'll probably even be under pressure to cash in on someone like Kane. Where will that leave his plans? IMO Poch would be mad to turn down this opportunity now because if it doesn't work out with Spurs he won't be considered the next time around. It's now or never really. And Spurs will never be as big as United, even if they were to win the EPL and CL this year it will still be a smaller job.
Mauricio Pochettino 57.5%
Massimiliano Allegri 1.9%
Shocks, i'm guessing the vast majority on the cafe just don't like Italians.
Massimiliano Allegri 1.9%
Shocks, i'm guessing the vast majority on the cafe just don't like Italians.
Poch will be very hard to get but if Ed really fancies himself as a big swinging dick he needs to make it happen.
He's a money man, levy is a money man, get dancing woody and make it happen
He's a money man, levy is a money man, get dancing woody and make it happen
Zidane's image is a bit similar to SAF.
And his Real teams had an incredible ability to score decisive late goals.
But he's already going to a new club next season in RB Leipzig.
I doubt it. I just think the majority of us have grown disillusioned and weary over more pragmatic styles of football after the last 2 managers. That's why I wouldn't be all on board with either of the likes of Simeone,Conte or Allegri joining
Poch isnt exactly attacking either. He plays high tempo but not Pep or Klopp in that aspect.
If Ole plays attacking game, things will change. 6 months is too much in football
And Allegri schooled Poch in the CL last season but I'm guessing people don't want him because he doesn't play open expansive football but a more slow measured approach. It's not overly defensive but it's not attack, attack, attack either.
I personally credit Juve's football structure which was compromised of Marotta, Paratici and Ribalta etc, more than Allegri for their teams success in the last 5 years. It'll be interesting to see how Marotta does at Inter now.
Are we allowed to nominate ourselves?
Wait have 21 people here really voted for Gareth Southgate to be the next Utd Manager ?
Seriously ? Are these real fans and not Russian bots?
Who on earth thinks Southgate could manage Utd ? This is the craziest thing I've ever seen on here
Seriously ? Are these real fans and not Russian bots?
Who on earth thinks Southgate could manage Utd ? This is the craziest thing I've ever seen on here
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