Mourinho Gone

[Marcelinho87]

Imagine he had forced out Martial and Pogba before he was finally sacked?

 

[Pexbo]

Imagine he had forced out Martial and Pogba before he was finally sacked?

For all the abuse Woodward has gotten, I think it’s fair to give him credit where it’s due in that he was never going to let that scenario happen.

 

[Revaulx]

I don’t think he would have fell out with van persie, Rio or Evra. These players have the type of mentality Jose is used to working with. Martial Pogba and shaw are very different. That’s no slight on the players by the way, it’s still Jose fault for not being able to adapt to some of the newer generation.

Moyes fell out with Rio and RvP because he took away their light training privileges that SAF had given them to reduce their chances of getting injured. As a consequence they got injured and their careers were wrecked.

Maybe Jose would have been more sensible. Maybe he wouldn’t. But it would have had little to do with the players’ mentality.

 

[Greck]

Imagine he had forced out Martial and Pogba before he was finally sacked?

I don't know how Jose does it but he also convinced our fans on martial as well as Chelsea fans on KDB. I'd bet he does the same at his new clubs and a strong sect will be behind it, even despite knowing his past. Whatever hold he has on these people's minds is like hypnosis

 

[Handré1990]

What kind of mentality is that?

He fell out with Ronaldo, Ramos and Pepe at Real. Had problems with Terry on his Chelsea return..

It isn't the players. It's the man.

There’s such a great quote from Justified on this: If you meet an ***hole in the morning, you meet an ***hole. If you run into ***holes all day you’re the ***hole.

 

[The United]

Moyes fell out with Rio and RvP because he took away their light training privileges that SAF had given them to reduce their chances of getting injured. As a consequence they got injured and their careers were wrecked.

Maybe Jose would have been more sensible. Maybe he wouldn’t. But it would have had little to do with the players’ mentality.

Jose would criticize the feck out of them twice a week in public for getting injured though.

He is famous for that and asking players to play through injuries.

So yeah, it's likely it wouldn't go well.

He could have been the most successful coach in the history and still would not fit at our club.

Not saying it's his fault entirely. He just doesn't fit.

 

[royboy16]

Has Luis said anything on JM's sacking ?

 

[SteveJ]

In his entire football career (i.e. playing for or managing a total of 12 clubs), he's never lasted longer than 3 years.

 

[Moriarty]

Be interesting to see what nutty club takes him onboard next.

As you know, in football, especially English football, nothing succeeds like failure. He'll be back at work somewhere before too long.

 

[LInkash]

In his entire football career (i.e. playing for or managing a total of 12 clubs), he's never lasted longer than 3 years.

Not many modern managers stay at clubs very long to be fair.

 

[Eugenius]

Short version here.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ourinho-real-madrid-chelsea-manchester-united

But the most interesting thing is to flick through Sid Lowe's Guardian La Liga articles from the time of his last season at Madrid, which has the drama unfolding. Link below is from the end, May 2013, you can browse backwards and find plenty about the individual incidents as they occured.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/sidlowe?page=48

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/01/jose-mourinho-real-madrid


Literally a carbon copy meltdown.

 

[HisDudeness]

imagine they brought in conte, and he brought in morata. it's funny reading juventus fans commments.... "no we don't want him back. don't want knocked out in the cl group stage", etc

i dunno why pirlo rates him so highly, one of the most overrrated managers in footie history. may have been strong as a player, but overrrated as a manager.

even juventus fans don't want him back.

 

[Mindhunter]

I think it comes down to the players that are at least capable of being humble, and those that aren't. This then determines whether or not they actually *get* Mourinho. Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Cambiasso, Zanetti *get* Mourinho, Pogba, Ramos and the perpetually knowledgeable redcafe don't. His very distinct management style is tried and tested on the warriors of yesteryear because when he criticised players they would go through the following stages:

1) Receive the criticism
2) Understand why they are receiving the criticism
3) Use the criticism to improve themselves

My old (lesbian) hockey coach used to wax lyrical about how much easier it was to coach men than women due to the fact that men would generally take criticism on the chin whereas you had to be far more gentle in your delivery of criticism to women, but I think the pussification of the Western world has blurred the lines completely in this regard now.

For this reason players now fail at stage 2 in too great a quantity to simply weed out.

I think Mourinho correctly spots a real competitive advantage by recreating a side with the mental steel of his previous sides, and it was no coincidence that he was targetting so many Slavic players - Skriniar, Milinkovic-Savic, Perisic, Milenkovic - towards the end. The tragedy is Woodward stopping him.

You deserve to be thrown into an unending diversity and inclusion training until this myth (bolded) is disabused in your mind and you are back to the world of the sane.

This is the most frivolous of attempts to wash your hands off your own responsibility as the manager/leader/supervisor to motivate people who work for you. It isn't gender dependent at all. Every person has their own way of learning and picking things up and their own way in which they get motivated. Your job is to find what works for each individual and use it help them grow.

Instead, filling your team with individuals who respond to one way of management just to create a bubble around you is bigoted to say the least and discriminatory to other talented individuals. Also, it is extremely selfish.

Jose should be ashamed of himself if this is truly his modus-operandi.

 

[FootyGirl88]

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[Patrick08]

It was a massive risk and it could have worked out but a leopard never changes it's spots.

It could have worked out, if he was not being snubbed by top talents in the transfer market due to his inability to get the best out of the players he bought and mismanaged, and generally not agreeing with the tactics employed on the pitch. Other managers were luring better players and he was feeling the pressure of it. Doing same thing all over again and expecting different results is stupidity which i expected he'd learn from his previous stint, but he clearly didn't.

 

[K2K]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/01/jose-mourinho-real-madrid


Literally a carbon copy meltdown.

Exactly. This line just speaks to the Mourinho apologists

The beginning of a division has opened up between fans. Some define themselves almost more as Mourinhista than Madridista, but they argue that that is because they can see, as others can't, that he is what the club need. That some of the supposed central tenets of Madridismo are nothing of the sort and he best represents the true values of the club: intense competitiveness, the relentless drive to win, a rejection of the media and what they insist are the hidden interests that lie within.

 

[Adisa]

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Usually see his tweets. Mourinho has done a number on some fans.

 

[Raees]

Posted this ages ago on the Jose’s Real Madrid thread but worth a repost IMO in light of recent events...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-One-Dark-Side-Mourinho-ebook/dp/B00EXB7046

Online just has the well-known excerpts, but from top of my head.. the following were also key issues during his time (probably best to ask the spanish posters to see how much of it was in the media at the time to verify it):

• Favouritism to Coentrao who he brought in to replace Marcelo (the world's best left back) even though he was not training properly, performing badly and an outcast in the squad.. he was seen as one of his trusted players
• Complete fall out with the likes of Ramos and Casillas due to the whole you must not fraternising with the enemy at NT meet ups
• Destruction of his relationship with Ronaldo.. they were close at first due to Mendes connection, but Ronaldo detested his defensive approach, and sensed how rest of squad was not happy with him and decided to distance himself and develop his bond with the spanish contingent
• Continuous theme of the failure to coach attacking strategies against teams which were parking the bus and nullifying their counter-attacking football, players not happy with how Barca getting lots of praise and how they were getting little to no education on how to play patterns of play when facing smaller sides
• Growing divide between him and Mendes (who aligned himself with Ronaldo) and put less faith in Jose (hence the lack of Mendes clients you see being bought by Jose these days)
• Peculiar love/hate relationship with Perez. Perez at times bent over backwards to back him and was very reluctant to part with him and tried his best to ensure the fractious relationship he had with his players was smoothed over. In the end, his position was untenable and he faced mutiny from most of the squad.
• Similar to Bayern under Ancellotti, the players at times got together and formed their own strategies/decided to pull together for the good of the team prior to key games and Jose was increasingly becoming a puppet manager
• Jose was generally playing up alot, using mind games on the squad, random selections/dropping of players and vilifying players in order to make points to the media (Pedro Leon/Benzema).. many of the players saw through it and didn't see the logic behind it, which led to them not respecting and distrusting him
• Likes of Essien were completely isolated by the squad, due to their perceived notion that these players were 'Mourinho's' men and not to be trusted, as they'd feed info back to the manager.

Failure to come up with attacking strategies

“I score and I win, you score and you don’t know if you win,” is the essence of Mourinhoball. If you score first, I might equalise. But if I score first, it’s good night, because I’ll shut down the game and only venture forward to prey on your mistakes.

Madrid “trained to counteract imaginary adversaries who wanted the ball and who were prepared to put a lot of players in the opposition’s half. Throughout the entire summer [of 2010] he did not devise a single plan for static attacking” – that is, the kind of clever, patient, probing attacks that would unlock deep defences.

New-found obsession with championing his own brand of football over winning (some from Torres/Some from Wilson)

Mourinho at Madrid was not motivated merely by winning – which had been almost his sole objective elsewhere – but by the desire to do so in his way, to establish himself as a tactical pioneer. Mourinho spoke repeatedly of the trivote, his triangle of aggressive, hard-tackling midfielders who could either win the ball back high up the pitch or offer an impenetrable block in front of the defensive four. Mourinho was so attached to this system that he played it at times when, as Torres’s sources saw it, it was of limited benefit and meant using players out of position. It was as though Mourinho was determined above all else to promote his own legend.

The Champions League semi-final was played out in a sulphurous atmosphere, largely of Mourinho’s making. Madrid did little but spoil: even if Barça did dive and whinge, at its heart the rivalry had become about one team passing and dribbling, the other kicking and brawling; light against dark, football against anti-football. In Mourinho’s 17 matches against Barcelona as Madrid manager, his side committed 346 fouls to Barcelona’s 220.

According to Torres, Mourinho laid out a simple seven-point plan for winning big games:

1) The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors.

2) Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.

3) Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes.

4) Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.

5) Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.

6) Whoever has the ball has fear.

7) Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.

This is the antithesis of the Barçajax approach, a categorical rejection of the possession-based, proactive approach of Guardiola and his ilk. It was precisely how Inter had played in that Champions League semi-final but there was always a sense at Madrid that it was somehow unworthy of the club.

The bitterness between Guardiola’s Barça and Mourinho’s Madrid carried over into the following season, and was exemplified by a Barça-Madrid match that ended with two red cards in injury time and a brawl in which Mourinho poked Tito Vilanova, the Barça assistant coach, in the eye from behind. It was an act of cowardice and petulance that would have profound consequences.

On 7 May 2013, towards the end of a disappointing season for Madrid, Mourinho arrived alone at the Sheraton Madrid Mirasierra to prepare for a league game against Malaga, having refused to travel with his players after accusing them of disloyalty. A contingent of the Ultras Sur, who saw themselves as Madrid’s most devoted fans, were waiting for Mourinho with a banner that proclaimed their love for him. There was effectively a state of open warfare between Mourinho and the club captain Iker Casillas. That Mourinho’s fractious time at the club was coming to an end was not in any real doubt. And for Mourinho, things were about to get much worse.

The Tale of the Mole

The Times then went on to tell the following incredible story about the breakdown between Mourinho and his Real Madrid players:

At 5pm on 16 April 2011, shortly before Madrid’s home league match against Barcelona, the newspaper Marca reported in its online edition that Madrid would play Pepe in midfield, along with Khedira and Alonso. The team selection was unprecedented: Casillas, Ramos, Albiol, Carvalho, Marcelo, Pepe, Khedira, Alonso, Di María, Ronaldo and Benzema.

The 1-1 draw did not help the home team’s title chances but the crowd applauded their team off with a certain relief, Barça’s last couple of visits having ended with scores of 0–2 and 2–6, and filed out of the stadium reasonably content. Not so Mourinho.

He waited for the team in the dressing room before issuing a torrent of accusations and insults that distorted his face until he began to sob loudly: “You’re traitors. I asked you not to speak with anyone about the team selection but you’ve betrayed me. It shows that you’re not on my side. You’re sons of bitches.

“The only friend I have in this dressing room is Granero . . . and I’m not even sure that I can trust him any more. You’ve left me all on my own. You’re the most treacherous squad I’ve had in my life. Nothing more than sons of bitches.”

Casillas did not wait for the outburst to finish. He pretended that nothing was happening, turned around and went to the shower; he was not the only one who ignored the commotion. But Mourinho was filled with such intense emotion that he grabbed a can of Red Bull and hurled it against the wall. It exploded and drops of the sugary energy drink ran down the faces of those nearest to him.

Squatting on the ground — some say he was kneeling — he rattled off a further series of insults, then, getting up, he wiped the tears from his face and announced that he was going to speak with Pérez [Real’s president] and Sánchez [a director] because they would be able to find the mole. He promised reprisals and also made an analogy between martial law and football: “If I’m in Vietnam and I see you laugh at a mate, I’d grab a gun with my own hands and kill you. Now it’s you yourselves who have to look for the one that leaked the line-up.”

Betrayal of his sergeant 'Pepe'

For Mourinho, Pepe's switch of sides had perhaps been the ultimate betrayal. The coach has stood by his defender through a series of on-pitch controversies, including his dismissal in the 2010-11 Champions League semi-final against Barcelona, a stamp on Lionel Messi's hand the following season and many more incidents beside. The Portugal defender, more than any other player, seemed to represent his boss's 'us-against-the-world' siege mentality as battles began on the pitch. He was in his coach's camp, not Iker's, and had even been tipped to become one of the 50-year-old's first signings at Chelsea this summer. Not now.

Pepe told Canal Plus that Casillas deserved more respect, after the Portuguese had taken another swipe at the goalkeeper on Friday by saying he should have signed Diego Lopez back in 2011. "The boss's quotes were not the most suitable," the defender said. "Iker is an institution for both Real Madrid and Spain."

Pepe was perhaps Mourinho's greatest ally, but that changed after the Portugal defender stuck up for Casillas at the weekend.

The defender has been publicly criticised by his coach on several occasions and is unhappy at being singled out by the Madrid boss.

Essentially blamed for the side's poor start in La Liga, Madrid's star man is losing patience with his countryman too.
But on Tuesday, Mourinho hit back. And how. The Portuguese told the assembled Madrid media that his defender was unhappy at losing his place in the side. "Pepe has a problem," he said. "And his name is Raphael Varane."

"That's the whole story. It isn't easy for a man aged 31 with a lot of experience behind him to be blown out of the water by a kid of 19. It's very simple. The problem is very simple. Pepe's life has changed."

So has Mourinho's. Respected and admired at first for an authoritarian approach rarely seen by bosses at Madrid, the Portuguese is losing friends fast at the Bernabeu and, according toMarca, he has the unconditional support of just three first-team footballers: Diego Lopez, Luka Modric and Michael Essien.

Those three, of course, remain grateful for their Madrid moves: Diego Lopez was, until recently, a Sevilla substitute, Modric made the significant step up from Tottenham after Mourinho convinced Real to splash big cash in the summer and Essien is a player who refers to the Portuguese as 'daddy'.

Meanwhile, even previous staunch supporters such as Alvaro Arbeloa and Jose Callejon have lost patience with their coach this term, with Mourinho's treatment of Casillas the final straw for much of the first-team squad.

On Tuesday, Mourinho explained why he preferred Diego Lopez to Iker in what seemed an honest appraisal of the two gifted goalkeepers. "I like Diego more because he plays more with his feet, he comes off his line and dominates in the area. Iker is a fantastic goalkeeper between the posts, but I like a different kind of goalkeeper."

At face value, it sounds like a reasonable and understandable explanation. After all, Diego Lopez has been brilliant since his January move and arguably cannot be dislodged on current form. However, there is much more to it than that.

In 2011, Mourinho claimed Casillas was the world's best goalkeeper and also backed the Spain skipper to claim the Ballon d'Or. Even then, there had been problems between the pair, yet the relationship remained rosy - at least for the most part.

The Portuguese, however, has long believed the keeper to be in a privileged position at Madrid and has seriously questioned the 31-year-old's commitment in training and during matches. He is also well aware, and uncomfortable, that the player's partner - sports journalist Sara Carbonero - is privy to inside information on the goings-on behind the big white walls at the Bernabeu. In January, Carbonero revealed what many had suspected when she told Mexican station Televisa of divisions behind the scenes between Mourinho and the players. And it takes little imagination to identify her source.

Mourinho may genuinely prefer Lopez to Casillas, but the club captain was originally dropped in December for Antonio Adan, who has long since disappeared from the first-team radar. Back then, Mourinho spoke of a 'comfort zone', a player without competition for his place, yet Casillas remains convinced he was left out for personal reasons.

He and Sergio Ramos are the two players who have stood up to their coach more than the rest and in January, Marca claimed that the pair had told Florentino: "Presi, in June, either Mourinho leaves, or we will..."

Ramos has had his own problems with Mourinho and after public criticism from the Portuguese following a defeat at Sevilla, he questioned his coach's decision to wash the team's dirty linen in public - and was duly dropped for the Champions League clash at home to Manchester City days later. The pair's relationship has remained rocky ever since.

But perhaps the final straw for Madrid fans came when Mourinho questioned Cristiano Ronaldo on Friday. "We started the league [in a] sad [state]," he said, in a clear reference to his player's problems at the beginning of the campaign. "And because we were sad, we lost points."

However, Madrid fans will recall that the day Ronaldo revealed his 'sadness', he also scored both goals in a 2-0 win over Granada. Back in September, the forward may have been slightly below his brilliant best, but the whole team was in a sorry state and blaming Cristiano appears a cowardly act from Mourinho, especially just three days after the former Manchester United forward had placed his body on the line by playing when unfit in the Champions League semi-final second leg against Borussia Dortmund.

Already angered by the treatment of Casillas, Madrid fans simply could not tolerate criticism of the player who has carried them to their greatest heights over these last three campaigns and duly jeered Mourinho on Saturday when his name was announced at the Bernabeu. Now, with almost all of his players against him and many more fans turning their backs as well, the Portuguese's final days in Spain are approaching. And even if they do claim the Copa in nine days' time, it will be far from a happy ending for Mourinho in Madrid.

 

[Wumminator]

Still the best Christmas present I’ll ever get.

 

[el3mel]

Usually see his tweets. Mourinho has done a number on some fans.

He's exaggerating with this 8-0 but you can't say he doesn't have a point. I'm expecting a title challenge next season and a league title within next 3 years otherwise any more excuses for these players will look more silly rather than logical.

 

[Adisa]

Just look at some of those comments by Mourinho...ffs!

 

[Adisa]

He's exaggerating with this 8-0 but you can't say he doesn't have a point. I'm expecting a title challenge next season and a league title within next 3 years otherwise any more excuses for these players will look more silly rather than logical.

As anyone should. But have a look at his timeline, he sounds despondent.

 

[el3mel]

As anyone should. But have a look at his timeline, he sounds despondent.

I don't follow much of these Utd fans accounts as Twitter is usually all exaggerating and overacting and overall a terrible place for discussions, and this tweet itself is exaggerating with this 8-0 stuff but I can see he has a point somewhere who cold have been expressed better in this tweet though. The players need to deliver or feck off, and they should know that so that they put 200% of their efforts on the pitch from now on.

 

[Patrick08]

He's exaggerating with this 8-0 but you can't say he doesn't have a point. I'm expecting a title challenge next season and a league title within next 3 years otherwise any more excuses for these players will look more silly rather than logical.

Defensive midfield is the biggest hindrance to that at the moment. There is lot of tactical nativity from the likes of pogba in that regard while Matic's response , adaptability and effectiveness with new tactics remains a big concern in that area. We will have to set up a certain way to make Herrera and fred more effective and use their high press to control the oppositions domination of the ball and creativity and get in their faces in the middle when it comes to duels and first and second balls.

 

[el3mel]

Defensive midfield is the biggest hindrance to that at the moment. There is lot of tactical nativity from the likes of pogba in that regard while Matic's response , adaptability and effectiveness remains a big concern in that area. We will have to set up a certain way to make Herrera and fred more effective and use their high press to control the oppositions domination of the ball and creativity to get in their faces in the middle when it comes to duels and first and second balls.

I'm not expecting much of the current season, just play like Cardiff match, entertain the fans and let the results come as they come, if they are good then great. Just enjoy the football currently and see how far we'll go.

We'll need to sign Matic replacement next season though. I can still be useful but should become more of a squad option rather than automatic starter next season.

 

[K2K]

Not tracking back would be my best guess. Why did he fall out with Ronaldo? Anyone remember?

Ronaldo didn't track back enough.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...aldo-almost-came-to-blows-at-Real-Madrid.html

Jose took a swipe at him when he left Madrid

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...is-he-thinks-he-knows-everything-8645213.html

 

[K2K]

There’s such a great quote from Justified on this: If you meet an ***hole in the morning, you meet an ***hole. If you run into ***holes all day you’re the ***hole.

Bingo

 

[Patrick08]

I'm not expecting much of the current season, just play like Cardiff match, entertain the fans and let the results come as they come, if they are good then great. Just enjoy the football currently and see how far we'll go.

We'll need to sign Matic replacement next season though. I can still be useful but should become more of a squad option rather than automatic starter next season.

Even if we sign Matic's replacement, winning the ball back and keeping the possession still remains a very difficult task against teams who's first priority is to keep the ball at all times and press high to win it back very quickly. Best of the best can suffer controlling the opposition against those tactics and one would need a wholesome team effort to win it back and play yourself and that's where pogba has to be a team man than just be a creator.

 

[Moonred]

Mourinho of course is famous for his ability to take criticism on the chin and with grace.

 

[Patrick08]

'm not expecting much of the current season, just play like Cardiff match, entertain the fans and let the results come as they come, if they are good then great. Just enjoy the football currently and see how far we'll go.

We'll need to sign Matic replacement next season though. I can still be useful but should become more of a squad option rather than automatic starter next season.

Though, we are still in top 4 race and no way it's gone. They have to still get the results than just go play carelessly.

 

[roonster09]

Mourinho of course is famous for his ability to take criticism on the chin and with grace.

Well played.

 

[el3mel]

Even if we sign Matic's replacement, winning the ball back and keeping the possession still remains a very difficult task against teams who's first priority is to keep the ball at all times and press high to win it back very quickly. Best of the best can suffer controlling the opposition against those tactics and one would need a wholesome team effort to win it back and play yourself and that's where pogba has to be a team man than just be a creator.

If you are talking about big games, they're not usually about keeping possession but very competitive in midfield by facing press with press. Best big games are those who are back and forth with action in both halves as it means both teams are competitive. If one big team completely dominated the other, it means the other team is either shite, not competitive anymore, or playing for a draw and waiting for a mistake to get a lucky goal. If Ole makes us competitive in big games it'll be great, away from results.

 

[Jazz]

For sure, he needs help from a psychiatrist asap. Not joking either. I never knew about this episode described below. Needs some intense therapy imho.

"Squatting on the ground — some say he was kneeling — he rattled off a further series of insults, then, getting up, he wiped the tears from his face and announced that he was going to speak with Pérez [Real’s president] and Sánchez [a director] because they would be able to find the mole. He promised reprisals and also made an analogy between martial law and football: “If I’m in Vietnam and I see you laugh at a mate, I’d grab a gun with my own hands and kill you. Now it’s you yourselves who have to look for the one that leaked the line-up.”

 

[K2K]

Posted this ages ago on the Jose’s Real Madrid thread but worth a repost IMO in light of recent events...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-One-Dark-Side-Mourinho-ebook/dp/B00EXB7046

Online just has the well-known excerpts, but from top of my head.. the following were also key issues during his time (probably best to ask the spanish posters to see how much of it was in the media at the time to verify it):

• Favouritism to Coentrao who he brought in to replace Marcelo (the world's best left back) even though he was not training properly, performing badly and an outcast in the squad.. he was seen as one of his trusted players
• Complete fall out with the likes of Ramos and Casillas due to the whole you must not fraternising with the enemy at NT meet ups
• Destruction of his relationship with Ronaldo.. they were close at first due to Mendes connection, but Ronaldo detested his defensive approach, and sensed how rest of squad was not happy with him and decided to distance himself and develop his bond with the spanish contingent
• Continuous theme of the failure to coach attacking strategies against teams which were parking the bus and nullifying their counter-attacking football, players not happy with how Barca getting lots of praise and how they were getting little to no education on how to play patterns of play when facing smaller sides
• Growing divide between him and Mendes (who aligned himself with Ronaldo) and put less faith in Jose (hence the lack of Mendes clients you see being bought by Jose these days)
• Peculiar love/hate relationship with Perez. Perez at times bent over backwards to back him and was very reluctant to part with him and tried his best to ensure the fractious relationship he had with his players was smoothed over. In the end, his position was untenable and he faced mutiny from most of the squad.
• Similar to Bayern under Ancellotti, the players at times got together and formed their own strategies/decided to pull together for the good of the team prior to key games and Jose was increasingly becoming a puppet manager
• Jose was generally playing up alot, using mind games on the squad, random selections/dropping of players and vilifying players in order to make points to the media (Pedro Leon/Benzema).. many of the players saw through it and didn't see the logic behind it, which led to them not respecting and distrusting him
• Likes of Essien were completely isolated by the squad, due to their perceived notion that these players were 'Mourinho's' men and not to be trusted, as they'd feed info back to the manager.

Failure to come up with attacking strategies



New-found obsession with championing his own brand of football over winning (some from Torres/Some from Wilson)




The Tale of the Mole



Betrayal of his sergeant 'Pepe'

Great read

We might have had it bad but Mourinho behaved even worse at Madrid. Verging on unprofessional.

 

[Champagne Football]

Funny thing now is that I look back on David Moyes' reign and see that he was just an honest hard working albeit very delusional guy who probably would have done a lot better had he kept Mike Phelan around. But with Moyes he genuinely wanted to do well but was just out of his depth tactically.

In the case of Jose, he knew exactly how to first shaft the board by tricking them into thinking he was hungry for trophies and wanting to stay for at the very least 5 more years. As soon as he got that 2 year extension he downed tools immediately knowing all that was needed to get a 24 million pound pay off was to get himself fired somehow. He played the media to try and make it look like everything was the fault of Pogba and Sanchez. He constantly aimed digs at the board and he knew he could twist the blame for the teams failures fully on the board by pretending that his unrealistic demands for a new expensive defender, that he never got, was the sole reason for the teams ills. Not to mention blaming everyone but himself after each loss.

He had no interest in staying a second longer once he knew 24 million was his once the new contract was signed and all that was needed was to get fired. He makes Moyes look like Mother Teresa now. You wonder did he still harbour some childish secret hatred for Fergie for misleading him to believe he was the favourite to get the job once Fergie retired only to be kicked in the teeth when Moyes was suddenly announced as the main man? Was his determination to exact revenge on Fergie his hidden childish reason for downing tools and creating an unworkable toxic atmosphere until sacked? Knowing he could shaft the club of 24 million while settling a few scores at the same time?

 

[kouroux]

That's because Lukaku was with the cleaning team

 

[MDFC Manager]

Mourinho of course is famous for his ability to take criticism on the chin and with grace.

Oh dear,still raw is it?

I think it comes down to the players that are at least capable of being humble, and those that aren't. This then determines whether or not they actually *get* Mourinho. Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Cambiasso, Zanetti *get* Mourinho, Pogba, Ramos and the perpetually knowledgeable redcafe don't. His very distinct management style is tried and tested on the warriors of yesteryear because when he criticised players they would go through the following stages:

1) Receive the criticism
2) Understand why they are receiving the criticism
3) Use the criticism to improve themselves

My old (lesbian) hockey coach used to wax lyrical about how much easier it was to coach men than women due to the fact that men would generally take criticism on the chin whereas you had to be far more gentle in your delivery of criticism to women, but I think the pussification of the Western world has blurred the lines completely in this regard now.

For this reason players now fail at stage 2 in too great a quantity to simply weed out.

I think Mourinho correctly spots a real competitive advantage by recreating a side with the mental steel of his previous sides, and it was no coincidence that he was targetting so many Slavic players - Skriniar, Milinkovic-Savic, Perisic, Milenkovic - towards the end. The tragedy is Woodward stopping him.

My word, what a load of horseshit. How many of these 'warriors' has Mourinho criticized publicly with favourable results? Why has he always been an arsehole with selective criticism and selective favoritism?

About the bolded part. Wouldn't be surprised if you validated that stupidity on Mourinho based on the Chelsea doctor (Eva?) episode.

Mourinho acolytes are something else.

 

[spwd]

Thanks for posting @Raees , I’m sure stuff like this will come out soon regarding us which I’ll be very happy about, a lot of people question player power but feck me can you imagine having to work under this cnut, and I wanted him here.

What an unbelievably selfish self centred fecking moron, I personally think he’s got mental problems because his behaviour isn’t normal.

 

[Patrick08]

If you are talking about big games, they're not usually about keeping possession but very competitive in midfield by facing press with press. Best big games are those who are back and forth with action in both halves as it means both teams are competitive. If one big team completely dominated the other, it means the other team is either shite, not competitive anymore, or playing for a draw and waiting for a mistake to get a lucky goal. If Ole makes us competitive in big games it'll be great, away from results.

The case is very different facing total footballing sides like guardiola. Klopp is more adaptable though.

 

[Vinnie Peetang]

Every player is coming out and thanking Mourinho. Which means the papers were inventing nonsense abt the backroom and we just sacked the best manager in the world. The blame is solely on Woodward and the English Press. Disgusting vermin.