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If I had to bet today I would say that Mourinho will be the coach next season.
The club have to wake up a little in the market and accelerate the sale of veterans
After investing heavily in young talent, Mourinho is not your man.
 

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2009/10 - 102 goals
2010/11 - 102 goals
2011/12 - 121 goals
2012/13 - 103 goals
2013/14 - 103 goals
2014/15 - 118 goals
2015/16 - 110 goals
2016/17 - 106 goals
2017/18 - 94 goals
2018/19 - 55 goals (projected)
Almost looks like a 50 goal a season player hole right there.
 

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Without Cristiano Ronaldo, PSG would have beaten Real Madrid easily last year IMO

He was crucial in the 1st leg
 

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Real Madrid have the money to pay for the best managers in the world, and I would'nt be surprised if they soon (most probably in the summer), will try hard to get one of the 3 most attractive managers in EPL : Pochettino, Klopp or Guardiola.
There's zero chance Guardiola manages Madrid, and I doubt Klopp will pack up and leave Liverpool in the middle of his 7 year contract.
 

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Real Madrid have done more for Ronaldo's claim as an all time great this season than he did in the last 10
 

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What stupid management all around. You get rid of a top 2 player of all time (depending on opinion but Ronaldo and Messi are either 1 or 2 in terms of the GOAT) and not only fail to replace his presence but stupidly fail to replace his goalscoring. It's pure arrogance from Madrid. It's simple, if we had manage to keep Ronaldo then we would have been more successful than Madrid in the last 10 years. That's how much of a difference he makes. The same will happen for Barca when Messi leaves, it just depends on how they prepare for it. Neither Madrid or Barca will be anywhere near as strong in the coming years unless they possess a player like Ronaldo or Messi. It doesn't matter how good your team is when you lose talent and goals like that. Anyway I am happy to see them fail because 100m was 1/3 of what they should have paid for Ronaldo, a player who was readymade to join them because of his work rate and what United taught him to be.
 

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I was the crazy fanboy for saying this for the past 2 years though... It's not even that Casemiro-Kroos-Modric are bad at scoring goals, they're bad at creating any sort of problems in attack. Add in Isco and the problem gets even bigger, they're great for controlling the game and recycling possession but not for much else. Then it was the fullbacks who got an unusually big amount of creative iniciative and they ended up crossing and crossing and crossing.

The midfield got plenty of credit while Ronaldo and even Benzema didn't get enough of it for making that midfield trio be possible.

Comparisons between Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta and Casemiro-Kroos-Modric were a complete joke, they're easily two or levels below that.
What's a joke is saying that midfield trio is 2 levels below Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.

Those 3 guys got destroyed with Spain in 2014 being one of the few midfields that could translate club performance to international level at the milimeter, before Pep Xavi was on the brink of leaving too.

Shit coaches, shit attitude and aging (specially with Modric) are catching up with that trio, but no team wins 3 UCL titles in a row (4 in 5 years) with a non-creative midfield.
 

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What's a joke is saying that midfield trio is 2 levels below Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.

Those 3 guys got destroyed with Spain in 2014
being one of the few midfields that could translate club performance to international level at the milimeter, before Pep Xavi was on the brink of leaving too.

Shit coaches, shit attitude and aging (specially with Modric) are catching up with that trio, but no team wins 3 UCL titles in a row (4 in 5 years) with a non-creative midfield.
I don't remember what happened exactly in 2014 but when a country wins the Euro08, then the WC10, then the Euro12... the end of a winning cycle is necessarily a crash coinciding with a lack of physical and mental freshness.
 

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Maybe 'Real Madrid: Manager Sacked' should be the permanent title, to avoid exhausting the OP.
 

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I don't remember what happened exactly in 2014 but when a country wins the Euro08, then the WC10, then the Euro12... the end of a winning cycle is necessarily a crash coinciding with a lack of physical and mental freshness.
Of course, and that can also be applied to this Real Madrid side, players that looked competitive in every match 2 seasons ago, have been playing dreadfully for 4 months now.

Spain didn't need to lose a Messi/Ronaldo caliber player to sunk even with the same midfield and defense.
 

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What's a joke is saying that midfield trio is 2 levels below Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.

Those 3 guys got destroyed with Spain in 2014 being one of the few midfields that could translate club performance to international level at the milimeter, before Pep Xavi was on the brink of leaving too.

Shit coaches, shit attitude and aging (specially with Modric) are catching up with that trio, but no team wins 3 UCL titles in a row (4 in 5 years) with a non-creative midfield.
Yeah, they do. It just happened. Kroos and Casemiro weren't there in 2014 btw, with Di Maria they actually had a lot more danger coming from the midfield that season.

Modric-Kroos-Isco were incredible at recycling possession and setting the tempo to a game but they've consistently been awful at defensive transitions and chance creation. They aren't a creative midfield in the slightest. They are not good at playing the final ball or at creating problems to the opposing defense, that's why most of Madrid's offensive game had to come from the wings.
 

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What's a joke is saying that midfield trio is 2 levels below Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.

Those 3 guys got destroyed with Spain in 2014 being one of the few midfields that could translate club performance to international level at the milimeter, before Pep Xavi was on the brink of leaving too.

Shit coaches, shit attitude and aging (specially with Modric) are catching up with that trio, but no team wins 3 UCL titles in a row (4 in 5 years) with a non-creative midfield.
You certainly can when you have a striker who comes alive for CL games and scores in every game
Barca nearly went undefeated in La Liga with an uninspiring midfield behind your front men. Hell Liverpool nearly won the CL at a canter with Henderson in the middle of the park.
The thing with Madrid is all of their creativity came down the wings. That's the stick that fans beat Zidane with, hardly anything came through the middle from the midfield.
When in doubt, get it wide and cross it in. The Zidane way.
Edit just looked up Modric stats in CL. He has 3 assists in his Madrid debut campaign but after that he registers 1 assist a season In Europe.
Same goes for Kroos funnily enough.
3 assists then 1 per year.
They had Ronaldo scoring with every shot in front of them!
 
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You certainly can when you have a striker who comes alive for CL games and scores in every game
Barca nearly went undefeated in La Liga with an uninspiring midfield behind your front men. Hell Liverpool nearly won the CL at a canter with Henderson in the middle of the park.
The thing with Madrid is all of their creativity came down the wings. That's the stick that fans beat Zidane with, hardly anything came through the middle from the midfield.
When in doubt, get it wide and cross it in. The Zidane way.
Edit just looked up Modric stats in CL. He has 3 assists in his Madrid debut campaign but after that he registers 1 assist a season In Europe.
Same goes for Kroos funnily enough.
3 assists then 1 per year.
They had Ronaldo scoring with every shot in front of them!
That is common in a DM+2xCM 4-3-3.

If you want the added creativity, you swap one CM for an AM (who plays closer to the final 3rd) but have to deal with the lower control and defense in midfield - its a basic tradeoff.
 

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That is common in a DM+2xCM 4-3-3.

If you want the added creativity, you swap one CM for an AM (who plays closer to the final 3rd) but have to deal with the lower control and defense in midfield - its a basic tradeoff.
Modric does play higher up though, he's the one who carries the ball and supplies the option around the box, backing up the strikers.
They recycle the ball to the wide positions against packed defences.
Zidane does love his wide play.
 

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2009/10 - 102 goals
2010/11 - 102 goals
2011/12 - 121 goals
2012/13 - 103 goals
2013/14 - 103 goals
2014/15 - 118 goals
2015/16 - 110 goals
2016/17 - 106 goals
2017/18 - 94 goals
2018/19 - 55 goals (projected)
That missing 45 odd goals, that would be about the amount Ronaldo would be expected to score, wouldn't it?
 

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Lopetegui must have felt dumb. Ditched his own NT for Real and ditched by Real. Well done.
 

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Can't wait to see Jose rock up at the Bernabeu next season :drool:

Will be even funnier when he's followed by Ivan Perisic.
"Fellaini - Welcome to Santiago Bernabeu 2019 - Goals, Skills, Elbows" ?

Anyway can't think of a reason why RM want Mourinho. He does well with "underdog team's mentality" it's certainly not RM, they just won 3 UCL not long ago.

Pochetino is a much better choice if Perez hasn't lost his mind. Just pay his contract.
 

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Last year keep hearing people saying:

- Real has the best midfield in the world
- Modric is currently the best player in the world
- Benzema/Bale would start scoring a lot of goals after Ronaldo is gone

All of the above is a joke.
 

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Heh. Wasn't actually bad, but people expected some incredible player that he never was, plus the whole situation of the team and club was broken. Was a key player in 2006/07 actually
I love Beckham and think he was underrated in the Real team. However, there was one game when in front of the goal, instead of going for the goal, and he was really close, he chose to “whip” the ball for a small cross in the box. It was beautiful technically but cowardice. Since then I don’t think of him that much.
 

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They aren't a creative midfield in the slightest. They are not good at playing the final ball or at creating problems to the opposing defense, that's why most of Madrid's offensive game had to come from the wings.
They're no Ozil or James, but it's the nature of the beast. When you have to keep the tempo under control because you don't have the legs for run&gun, you're going to shift your attacks to the wings, where there's more space. If we had different strikers the midfield would have been a lot more "creative" (which in fairness it was anyways. You're ignoring it because instead of playing through balls for the strikers, they were playing through balls to the wings for open crosses and cutbacks, or 1vs1 with a defender in space...)

It was also just coaching. The forwards constantly looked to play it wide and attack the box rather than try quick combinations down the middle. It was a playing style.

One i never particularly liked, but yeah, Cristiano made it effective. I've always said it wasn't a well assorted midfield. Zidane's issues with James made it worse. Isco is half the player James is, always been the case

Modric does play higher up though, he's the one who carries the ball and supplies the option around the box, backing up the strikers.
They recycle the ball to the wide positions against packed defences.
Zidane does love his wide play.
It was Kroos actually. Modric played higher up with Julen

That missing 45 odd goals, that would be about the amount Ronaldo would be expected to score, wouldn't it?
In the league? Last time he hit 40 was 2015. Didn't crack 30 last two seasons. We're obviously missing him but it's a bit overblown. Although right now it is a big issue indeed
 

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Last year keep hearing people saying:

- Real has the best midfield in the world
- Modric is currently the best player in the world
- Benzema/Bale would start scoring a lot of goals after Ronaldo is gone

All of the above is a joke.
Anyone who believed or believe any of the above things must be on acid.
 

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"Fellaini - Welcome to Santiago Bernabeu 2019 - Goals, Skills, Elbows" ?

Anyway can't think of a reason why RM want Mourinho. He does well with "underdog team's mentality" it's certainly not RM, they just won 3 UCL not long ago.

Pochetino is a much better choice if Perez hasn't lost his mind. Just pay his contract.
It has to be desperation again. Same as us when we finished 5th under van Gaal, and outside the CL for the second time in 3 years, Ed thought we’d better arrest this decline even if it is only for 2 years. Madrid are now in the position where they face a couple of trophyless years, regularly losing to teams like Real Sociedad unless they can make themselves hard to beat again. Mourinho makes himself appealing to chairmen like that who want to see a short term turn around. He’s basically Big Sam for the top clubs.
 
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They've lost Zidane and Ronaldo, always going hit them. The other big issue is clearly success fatigue. Marcelo especially looks to me like he can't be bothered. Too busy polishing medals.

They've got and are bringing in some of the best young Spanish players. New coach and a couple of marquee signings in the summer and they won't be in transition for long.
 

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The OP was prophetic. Remember people saying he was knee jerking.
 

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Klopp should go to Real Madrid. He can make Real play deadly, waves of terror attacks as the fans want to. Klopp is expert in attacking, all he needs is good players in defense and keeper wich he has in Curtois, Carvajal,Ramos,Nacho,Marcelo,Casemiro.

Break the bank(wich they did not for a while) for Salah and also Auba, maybe Hazard
 

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What's the story with Asensio? He seems to have hardly played this season. Surely with Benzema and Vasquez being rubbish, and Bale being cracked, the attack should be built around Asensio...
 

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Modric does play higher up though, he's the one who carries the ball and supplies the option around the box, backing up the strikers.
They recycle the ball to the wide positions against packed defences.
Zidane does love his wide play.
He is still a CM even if he pushes forward. its one of the reason lopetegui's experiment with him as #10 failed