N'Golo Kante | Chelsea Player

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@Ekeke Obviously not ideal but, that map shows there is much bigger issues at play.
What issues do the average position map for Chelsea show?

They have 6 players in front of Jorginho, plenty getting forward and supporting play. The likes of Kante and Kovacic are as far forward as Pogba was for us against Brighton, further forward than Lingard was.

So they got players forward but they got 1 shot on target all game, coming from their leftback Alonso.

Clearly the tactics were wrong for that match, the tactics that Jorginho is deployed centrally to use.
 

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Completely misselling Kante there. He’s not Makelele.
But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.
 

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But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.
Cant agree with that. Kante is as good in most of those areas as Ander, but Ander is better at making runs forward for a pass and has a good cross.

Not saying either one is better on the ball, but neither are championship standard on the ball. Thats ridiculous.
 

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Not seen much of Chelsea this year so what exactly is this new role he is being expected to play?
 

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Not seen much of Chelsea this year so what exactly is this new role he is being expected to play?
Right Attacking Midfielder, pushing up just behind Pedro. About as far forward as Eriksen or Alli at Spurs, not quite as far forward as Bernardo Silva and David Silva at City.
 

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But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.
Does not have that Herrera half turn. :drool:
 

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We should put a cheeky bid in.

It’s stupid how Sarri uses him.

Chelsea would look better in a 4231 than the 433.
 

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Right Attacking Midfielder, pushing up just behind Pedro. About as far forward as Eriksen or Alli at Spurs, not quite as far forward as Bernardo Silva and David Silva at City.
huh!:houllier: I always thought he was a bit better on the ball than people gave him credit for (solid if unspectacular) but never envisaged that kind of role for him.

I'd love him at United with Ander and Pogba :drool:
 

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If Chelsea had a good Left Footed winger who could cut inside on the right it might fix some of their balance issues.
 

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We should put a cheeky bid in.

It’s stupid how Sarri uses him.

Chelsea would look better in a 4231 than the 433.
He's been playing him much higher forward right? Haven't watched a lot of them lately but was reading that on some wankfest months ago about Sarri's Chelsea revolution .
 

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huh!:houllier: I always thought he was a bit better on the ball than people gave him credit for (solid if unspectacular) but never envisaged that kind of role for him.

I'd love him at United with Ander and Pogba :drool:
Think its just a way to get him in the team, whilst putting Jorginho in his favourite position as a deep lying playmaker
 

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Playing probably the best DM in the world out of position for a player who seems almost incapable of passing forward at the moment. Baffling stuff
 

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To all you players out there, who don't wanna be in a club where the manager's...all up in the press conference videos, all on the pitch, smoking'...then come to Man Utd! Kante should be playing his correct position, what is that guy doing.
 

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Playing probably the best DM in the world out of position for a player who seems almost incapable of passing forward at the moment. Baffling stuff
I said the same thing earlier in the season, it makes no sense to play Kante at a position where he's not the best at. Playing Kante so advanced is dumb
 

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To all you players out there, who don't wanna be in a club where the manager's...all up in the press conference videos, all on the pitch, smoking'...then come to Man Utd! Kante should be playing his correct position, what is that guy doing.
this post is amazing
 

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Kanté technically is pretty average to be honest, I dont think he is suited for a team trying to have the possession of the ball.
 
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I dont get the fuss over Kante's role. To me he has been excellent in his box to box right side role. With the brief to protect and support Jorginho defensively, whilst breaking forward to support attacks which he is constantly doing better than the rest of that midfield operarating ahead of Jorginho

The real problems chelsea have are 2:

The left side of midfield in the three, which is their attacking midfield role is not offering any goal threat what so ever and Hazard employed as a false 9 makes it even worse. For he totally abdicates the box to drift about, meaning a player like Kante is constantly arriving in support to find no one in the box. Yet Pedro is literally the only wide man they have who umderstands he must take up the central role hazard abdicates.

I will not be surprised if merely having a natural goal getter down the middle and Hazard back on the flank suddenly makes a humungous difference. Chelsea the whole of last season only created about 60 big chances in the EPL. This season they are already on 52 with very little to show for it. Yet bizzarely the focus is on the roles Jorginho and Kante play rather than the extreme bluntness infront of goal
 
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I dont get the fuss over Kante's role. To me he has been excellent in his box to box right side role. With the brief to protect and support Jorginho defensively, whilst breaking forward to support attacks which he is constantly doing better than the rest of that midfield operariting ahead of Jorginho

The real problems chelsea have are 2:

The left side of midfield which is their attacking midfield role is not offering any goal threat what so ever and Hazard employed as a false 9 makes it even worse. For he totally abdicates the box to drift about, meaning a player like Kante is constantly arriving in support to find no one in the box. Yet Pedro is literally the only midfieldee they have who umderstands ge mudt take up the central role hazard abdicates.

I will not be surprised if merely having a natural goal getter down the middle and Hazard back on the flank suddenly makes a humungous difference. Chelsea the whole of last season only created about 60 big chances in the EPL. This season they are alrrady on 52 with very little to show for it. Yet bizzarely the focus is on the roles Jorginho and Kante play rather than the extreme bluntness infront of goal
Thank You.
 

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City need to at least try and get him. He's wasted under Sarri.
What the feck would Guardiola do with him? He would be just as wasted with you guys. He is fundamentally not suited for a possession based game. His passing is nowhere near good enough to play fernandinho role.
 

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But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.[/QUOTE
But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.
Who are you talking about here man? You've been watching someone else if you think the rest of his attributes are championship level. Even his shooting is pretty decent. He has finished off very important chances for his team this year and has a tendency to score against United from outside the box.
 

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@Harry190 ill reply like this because the format of your post is all over the place.

So? Do you think players in the Championship don’t score from outside of the box? People really do have we blind spot when it comes to Kante, don’t they? He’s also messed up plenty of decent chances too. The times Chelsea’s attack breaks down because Kante takes a heavy touch on the edge of the box, turns into trouble, plays a poor touch etc far outways the times Kante actually does something useful with it. The fawning over him really is odd. If he was a bellend who started his career at a big club instead of earning his move from Leicester his obvious failings wouldn’t be as readily ignored. Great player but to argue he is anything but limited is delusional.
 

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Kanté technically is pretty average to be honest, I dont think he is suited for a team trying to have the possession of the ball.
This. Chelsea can always adapt and play a counter attacking 4 3 3, and a possession based 4 3 3 just need to swap Kante/Jorginho depending on which one.

Even Real Madrid did the counter attacking version against Betis last week and won the game.

We don't have the budget of Barcelona or City these days and Sarri needs to adapt to the players we have.

Be interesting to see if Kante plays against Spurs on Wednesday, we have to win by 2 goals and away goals don't matter. If we win by any 1 goal scoreline goes straight to penalties.
 

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3 key passes and a goal tonight. 2 dribbles, 2 shots, 1 on target

Just 1 tackle



Kante #7 actually further up the pitch than Pedro on average
 

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But despite that the notion is right, Kante would struggle in Herreras role. As a ball winner he's excellent, but ask him to do anything with it and he'll perform well below the required level. His touch, passing, vision and shooting is Championship standard. Either facilitate him with the right partners in midfield or don't play him at all.
Come on mate you can't be serious?
 

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Great hit for the goal. We only had 54% of the ball tonight and 60 more passes which suits the way our midfield is setup. Didn't see the whole game just last 30 minutes, Kante was getting back and covering all-over, tackling back etc.

Problem is when we have 60-70%+ of the ball we lack creativity to break the opposition down.

Playing Spurs, City, Liverpool actually suits our setup.
 

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Great hit for the goal. We only had 54% of the ball tonight and 60 more passes which suits the way our midfield is setup. Didn't see the whole game just last 30 minutes, Kante was getting back and covering all-over, tackling back etc.

Problem is when we have 60-70%+ of the ball we lack creativity to break the opposition down.

Playing Spurs, City, Liverpool actually suits our setup.
First half we had most of the possession and scored two goals. We were dominant that half.
 

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Absolute quality and if he came up for sale (which is sooo unlikely)there would be a list of teams looking to sign him....