I still find it amazing that 184 people think Ole is a bad temp appointment.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Bro, you need a 101 on how football clubs work. I think you are confusing it with video games
OGS will be a good appointment with the right people supporting him... whether it be the right coaching staff around him and/or the directors who deal with the on-field affairs.
Let's face it: what is the likelihood he just happens to turn out to be another Sir Alex figure? Probably the only successful individual next to Wenger who doubled as both first team head coach and director of football under the title of manager.... Extremely low probably so please don't try to fit OGS into that Sir Alex shaped hole like we did with Moyes, LVG and Jose.
If you quickly break down being a manager/head coach into three areas, you'd get something like
OGS seems to have pretty decent man management skills so far as everyone looks much better than they did last year. Key players are renewing their contracts too so they like his style. He's an esteemed ex-player so squad members will automatically respect him and potential new recruits will want to play under someone who was a winner.
OGS' tactics are still too early to tell. Take the Spurs game. First half he had spot on. Second half when Spurs made some changes he found it harder and probably lucky he won... Again it's still too early since he'll probably be learning from mistakes along the way. Let's wait and see how he takes on Liverpool, City and PSG to see if he knows how to set up against them. It probably isn't helpful for him though that our squad isn't the best around so obviously you can set up perfectly but an opposing player's individual ability can run right over that.
OGS is yet to be tested in the transfers area and he can't really prove himself, since we'd have to hire him permanently. A lot of DoF figures seem to based on the recruitment side of football clubs so it's possible that OGS could end up not having to worry about this aspect too much. If he gives his player criteria to a hypothetical head of recruitment and has very good understanding with said head of recruitment then OGS' role in transfers and recruitment is alleviated and he can concentrate on tactics and man management. In an ideal world, OGS can say "Hey, who are the best fits out there for full-back?" HoR can then say "Here's a shortlist of ideal full-backs who'd fit this club mentally and would be able to fit into our style of play even beyond your tenure"
Let's face it: what is the likelihood he just happens to turn out to be another Sir Alex figure? Probably the only successful individual next to Wenger who doubled as both first team head coach and director of football under the title of manager.... Extremely low probably so please don't try to fit OGS into that Sir Alex shaped hole like we did with Moyes, LVG and Jose.
If you quickly break down being a manager/head coach into three areas, you'd get something like
- Man & Squad Management
- Tactics & Style of Play
- Transfers & Recruitment
OGS seems to have pretty decent man management skills so far as everyone looks much better than they did last year. Key players are renewing their contracts too so they like his style. He's an esteemed ex-player so squad members will automatically respect him and potential new recruits will want to play under someone who was a winner.
OGS' tactics are still too early to tell. Take the Spurs game. First half he had spot on. Second half when Spurs made some changes he found it harder and probably lucky he won... Again it's still too early since he'll probably be learning from mistakes along the way. Let's wait and see how he takes on Liverpool, City and PSG to see if he knows how to set up against them. It probably isn't helpful for him though that our squad isn't the best around so obviously you can set up perfectly but an opposing player's individual ability can run right over that.
OGS is yet to be tested in the transfers area and he can't really prove himself, since we'd have to hire him permanently. A lot of DoF figures seem to based on the recruitment side of football clubs so it's possible that OGS could end up not having to worry about this aspect too much. If he gives his player criteria to a hypothetical head of recruitment and has very good understanding with said head of recruitment then OGS' role in transfers and recruitment is alleviated and he can concentrate on tactics and man management. In an ideal world, OGS can say "Hey, who are the best fits out there for full-back?" HoR can then say "Here's a shortlist of ideal full-backs who'd fit this club mentally and would be able to fit into our style of play even beyond your tenure"
Ok this is something you've completely made up in your mind and there is absolutely no evidence for. Change my mind.
And didn't Atkinson say, thank god they didn't bring him on earlier ( or something similar )
29 is basically 30 which is basically when you go the old people's home.
I still think OGS gets dinged a bit too hard for the second half of the Spurs game. Everyone readily acknowledges that we're short quality on the defense (though maybe not as much as so many complain). And really, it took Poch another 15 minutes in the second half to really get going, which coincided with Ole's observation on arrival that the team was short on conditioning. 60 minutes in and we were gassed. And still didn't give up a goal (we are allowed to have a good goalie). Further, that was only his sixth game in with the team. Could he really have a perfect handle on all of his personnel and how to deploy them? Frankly, I think he's still tinkering a bit. He's on a 10-game unbeaten streak with a team that was in the dumps and ready to bolt at the first offer. His tactics are fine.
As far as the transfers and recruitment aspect of things, he seems to be fine in Norway. You can say what you want about any league, but no matter where you are, you're working within the confines of that league. Molde is not the big dog in that league, yet he wins. That takes good recruiting, and with fewer resources than the competition, it takes a higher level of evaluation to find the bargains. Working with less. Sounds like a quality some attribute to another candidate. But then, the DoF sounds like where things are heading anyway, making this somewhat of a non-starter.
As far as the transfers and recruitment aspect of things, he seems to be fine in Norway. You can say what you want about any league, but no matter where you are, you're working within the confines of that league. Molde is not the big dog in that league, yet he wins. That takes good recruiting, and with fewer resources than the competition, it takes a higher level of evaluation to find the bargains. Working with less. Sounds like a quality some attribute to another candidate. But then, the DoF sounds like where things are heading anyway, making this somewhat of a non-starter.
I think its a lot of young fans on this forum at the moment.
Wasn't that Big Ron's first game in charge at Forest. If memory serves, he walked straight to the United dugout instead of Forest's.
Never thought off it from Bobby Charlton's view. It seems obvious to me there was a clear lack of respect from Mourinho in many situations, how can he disrespect Sir Bobby and everyone that loves the club like that, unforgivable really !
Now we have a complete opposite situation with Ole, he clearly got respect for our values. The difference with Ole and Jose when it comes to this is that Ole gives respect to everyone and Jose demands it before giving it to anyone.
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Could be. I'm in my late 30 and I feel ancient.
36 myself, might as well book a place in a retirement home.
Last couple of years there's been a big influx of young fifa/fm fans on here and it shows.
My back hurts. It's starting.36 myself, might as well book a place in a retirement home.
Last couple of years there's been a big influx of young fifa/fm fans on here and it shows.
Fancy a game of chess in a local park?By new Caf rules we are old as feck
Yes, that would be smashing.
Shut up you kids, I should be ashes by now, according to Caf. I bet I can beat you all. In chess, in the park
@Damien, completely off topic, but do you have statistics about average age, how many users per age group etc on the Caf? Would find that interesting.
I'm 27. What does the Caf recommend I do to make the most out of my last three remaining years on this planet?
Nah. Most people don't fill out their DOB on the profiles.
I fell asleep. What were we talking about?
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/man-u...l-appointment-after-agreeing-compensation-fee
8 million fee to buy out Ole's contract?
cheap.
8 million fee to buy out Ole's contract?
cheap.
It’s a miracle you guys are alive. 30’s? Feck me, you guys are breaking all kinds of records ...according to the Caf anywayBy new Caf rules we are old as feck
How would people feel about Ole if we lose both matches against PSG? Is he still the man? Is this squad good enough to beat a PSG side with some serious artillery up front in Mbappe? Our big problem in defense in that game is going to be Phil Jones if he starts. Mbappe will destroy him with his pace. Even lindelof will have problems.
We are incredibly thin in defense, but perhaps Smalling will be back? Altho he will be incredibly rusty. IF Baily gets injured, we are in serious trouble potentially.
I read that the board will give the job to Ole if he defeats PSG. I am just not 100% sure that is a fair assesment given our defense personell.
Opinions?
We are incredibly thin in defense, but perhaps Smalling will be back? Altho he will be incredibly rusty. IF Baily gets injured, we are in serious trouble potentially.
I read that the board will give the job to Ole if he defeats PSG. I am just not 100% sure that is a fair assesment given our defense personell.
Opinions?
If he loses to PSG, you've laid out enough reason anyone would and you cannot hold it against him.
If he beats PSG, that should answer those still opposed regarding his tactical abilities because he will have overcome those reasons. You have to hire him.
If he beats PSG, that should answer those still opposed regarding his tactical abilities because he will have overcome those reasons. You have to hire him.
During the war...
Have you considered setting up a bar that only sells soft drinks?
Would be a nice way to wind down for your last couple of years.
I don't think anyone should solely judge OGS on this PSG tie. We could set up perfectly against them but Mbappe's individual magic wouldn't be able to be stopped. Utd could beat them over two legs but PSG could play complete shit over both games.
I wouldn't really class this PSG tie as that important. Utd's squad isn't really up for winning the competition anyway quality wise (look at our woeful right side)... If OGS had the 08/09 Utd squad then there would be more scrutiny on this game as we'd be expected to get past PSG.
I wouldn't really class this PSG tie as that important. Utd's squad isn't really up for winning the competition anyway quality wise (look at our woeful right side)... If OGS had the 08/09 Utd squad then there would be more scrutiny on this game as we'd be expected to get past PSG.
Vs 40m to get Poch plus his massive wage. Is Poch going to be our coach ? Woodward : "Never in million years"
It’s not whether or not we lose to PSG but how. I don’t think too many are expecting to progress.
I took a piss but forgot to wake up.
The sooner he gets the full time contract the better
Desabailly will have Mbappe in his fecking pocket all night, no question.
Nah you always wait this out until the end of the season. You can't be sure what happens in the next few months. Even if it's just a signature away play it out in case anything catastrophic happens.The sooner he gets the full time contract the better
How old were Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva etc last season?
B.U.R.N.L.E.Y.
Main thing I'll be judging in the PSG tie I our football. I don't expect us to go through and it would be a brilliant surprise if we do. But I'm interested to seeing the way Ole sets us up.