Phil Jones Future | Reports: Observing United academy sessions

[Johan07]

From a financial perspective it is perfectably reasonable to offer Jones a long term contract instead of prolonging his contract for two years for example. Especially at the wage that is being reported or thereabout.
With this contract Jones will have a value of around 30m at least for the first two years of his contract. At least.
Its completely fine if one thinks that Jones sucks and is not worth one iota even if he is playing for free, but then you are just arguing emotionally.
A players transfer fee/asset value will be quite consistent until he enters the last two years of his contract when it will start depreciate quickly. This is not just applicable to Jones, its just how the math and the market works.
Therefore a 4+1 year contract makes all the sense in the world as long as it is on the level of wage that is being reported.
Giving him a two year extension would just start to depreciate his value from the start.
This is from a purely financial perspective.
You also will tie him up - again if the 50-60k a week that being reported is correct - at a low wage for a long time in a market that will see wages inflated a lot this summer and next.
This is a necessary and mathematic reaction to the inflated transfer market these two last years. It usually takes two or even three years for the wages to correlate to the transfer market just because players are on long term contracts.
Therefore: when the club decided to offer Jones a new contract it makes perfect sense to offer him a long term one at the wage he is on now. He probably got a little bump I am sure btw.
Again: from a purely financial perspective. If you hate Jones as many in here seem to do then you obviously will disagree that the club made the wrong decision. But the length of term of the contract is nothing that you can blame the club for. Quite the opposite.

 

[AndyJ1985]

From a financial perspective it is perfectably reasonable to offer Jones a long term contract instead of prolonging his contract for two years for example. Especially at the wage that is being reported or thereabout.
With this contract Jones will have a value of around 30m at least for the first two years of his contract. At least.
Its completely fine if one thinks that Jones sucks and is not worth one iota even if he is playing for free, but then you are just arguing emotionally.
A players transfer fee/asset value will be quite consistent until he enters the last two years of his contract when it will start depreciate quickly. This is not just applicable to Jones, its just how the math and the market works.
Therefore a 4+1 year contract makes all the sense in the world as long as it is on the level of wage that is being reported.
Giving him a two year extension would just start to depreciate his value from the start.
This is from a purely financial perspective.
You also will tie him up - again if the 50-60k a week that being reported is correct - at a low wage for a long time in a market that will see wages inflated a lot this summer and next.
This is a necessary and mathematic reaction to the inflated transfer market these two last years. It usually takes two or even three years for the wages to correlate to the transfer market just because players are on long term contracts.
Therefore: when the club decided to offer Jones a new contract it makes perfect sense to offer him a long term one at the wage he is on now. He probably got a little bump I am sure btw.
Again: from a purely financial perspective. If you hate Jones as many in here seem to do then you obviously will disagree that the club made the wrong decision. But the length of term of the contract is nothing that you can blame the club for. Quite the opposite.

All that assumes that there are clubs desperate to buy Phil Jones, and we'll gain financially from him being on a long-term contract because said clubs will be prepared to offer more. Personally I think that's a far fetched assumption and we'd have been better off financially if we sold him in the summer to the highest bidder. Instead what's more likely is we're now stuck paying the wage of an injury prone crock for another 4 years.

 

[RedDevil@84]

From a financial perspective it is perfectably reasonable to offer Jones a long term contract instead of prolonging his contract for two years for example. Especially at the wage that is being reported or thereabout.
With this contract Jones will have a value of around 30m at least for the first two years of his contract. At least.
Its completely fine if one thinks that Jones sucks and is not worth one iota even if he is playing for free, but then you are just arguing emotionally.
A players transfer fee/asset value will be quite consistent until he enters the last two years of his contract when it will start depreciate quickly. This is not just applicable to Jones, its just how the math and the market works.
Therefore a 4+1 year contract makes all the sense in the world as long as it is on the level of wage that is being reported.
Giving him a two year extension would just start to depreciate his value from the start.
This is from a purely financial perspective.
You also will tie him up - again if the 50-60k a week that being reported is correct - at a low wage for a long time in a market that will see wages inflated a lot this summer and next.
This is a necessary and mathematic reaction to the inflated transfer market these two last years. It usually takes two or even three years for the wages to correlate to the transfer market just because players are on long term contracts.
Therefore: when the club decided to offer Jones a new contract it makes perfect sense to offer him a long term one at the wage he is on now. He probably got a little bump I am sure btw.
Again: from a purely financial perspective. If you hate Jones as many in here seem to do then you obviously will disagree that the club made the wrong decision. But the length of term of the contract is nothing that you can blame the club for. Quite the opposite.

So we have given him a contract so that we can sell him??
Not to forget that an assumption has been made that there will be many clubs who are lining up to buy Jones for big money because he has a 3+ years left on his contract

 

[Acole9]

Terrific news that Jonesy will be around the place for another four years (At least) Hope he got a tidy pay packet as well.

 

[Johan07]

All that assumes that there are clubs desperate to buy Phil Jones, and we'll gain financially from him being on a long-term contract because said clubs will be prepared to offer more. Personally I think that's a far fetched assumption and we'd have been better off financially if we sold him in the summer to the highest bidder. Instead what's more likely is we're now stuck paying the wage of an injury prone crock for another 4 years.

If he gets injured he will cost us nothing in wages for that period. As all professional players he is insured by the club. I am sorry, but that is a really lazy and incorrect argument.

 

[Chipper]

I seemingly rate Jones as a talent more than many.

Thing is, I think he's good when fit and has had a run of games. Like Rooney he's notoriously rusty when coming back from a layoff, but it takes him even longer to get up to speed than it did Wayne. He's also injured much more often than Rooney was. As such I don't know if he's worth bothering with, might be better to have someone even slightly worse at peak level but who wouldn't need to such a long time to play himself into form. An injury free version of Jones I'd keep around all day long.

 

[fergieisold]

I'd like players that can play more than 30 games a season for a start. Your '11 world class players' comment implies that you think Phil Jones should be a starter, that's quite worrying.

My point is they don’t see a squad. They see a starting 11.

Congratulations. I would advise you not indulge us lesser human beings on a public forum. Might bring down your awesomeness.

I wouldn’t say lesser human beings, just lesser intelligence.

No-ones said that, that's just you (the enlightened 1%) making assumptions.

Jones is not good enough for us if we're serious about winning leagues/European trophies again. Not even as a squad player.

Who do you suggest we get as a squad player?

 

[Johan07]

So we have given him a contract so that we can sell him??
Not to forget that an assumption has been made that there will be many clubs who are lining up to buy Jones for big money because he has a 3+ years left on his contract

No, I think it was a footballing decision by the club and OGS. But once that decision was made, the term of the contract was absolutely the right choice. Regardless of what you think of Jones as a player. For the reasons I stated.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

My point is they don’t see a squad. They see a starting 11.



I wouldn’t say lesser human beings, just lesser intelligence.



Who do you suggest we get as a squad player?

How would I know. I'm one of the stupid 99%......

 

[el3mel]

I wouldn’t say lesser human beings, just lesser intelligence.

Don't you think it's a waste of your time you genius to stick around with guys like us ?

 

[shamans]

When we do get a top quality CB and Jones isn't getting games he can leave. As of now we need him.

 

[fergieisold]

Don't you think it's a waste of your time you genius to stick around with guys like us ?

Don't you think it's a waste of your time you genius to stick around with guys like us ?

Don't you think it's a waste of your time you genius to stick around with guys like us ?

Look, if I was so clever I’d work out how to reply quickly wothout fecking it up on google chrome. I’ll stick with you lot.

 

[OleGunnar20]

I think this is just another case of the club protecting the value of its assets.

Like with Fellaini last summer, we could have let him go for free but tied him down to a contract, which a lot of people weren't happy about. 6 months later, we've sold him for £10m, take a bit away from that for his wages and we still have an extra £7-8m to use for transfers which we could have lost.

Hopefully we move Jones on in the summer (Rojo too) and have a bit more £££ to play with

Have to say, it's quite funny to see the meltdowns here. if you look at it logistically it makes sense.

We could either let him go for free, or, we could keep an English defender who we have spent over six years trying to train and improve, who should be entering the prime of his career. And if he's still not good enough, flog him off for a good sum of money (again, cause he's English).

What they said.

I still see us going big on a CB this summer.

 

[el3mel]

Look, if I was so clever I’d work out how to reply quickly wothout fecking it up on google chrome. I’ll stick with you lot.

Well, try to at least work out how to quote the post one time instead of 3.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

I can now sleep soundly tonight.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Well, try to at least work out how to quote the post one time instead of 3.

When geniuses click on something once, it comes out thrice. But how you know?? You are not one in the 1%

 

[RedDevil@84]

I can now sleep soundly tonight.

Don't sleep too much. You might miss out the Valencia signing

 

[el3mel]

When geniuses click on something once, it comes out thrice. But how you know?? You are not one in the 1%

Damn, I almost forget my low IQ can't get these things.

 

[Womp]

Signing Jones is to prep for a summer of not signing a proper CB.

 

[MrSingh2002]

What the feck.

Ole's first mistake...

Poch wouldn't have resigned this guy.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Just feck off.

 

[DLE]

Ugh. Not sure what to think of this but there is definitely a logical explanation.

Http://iceland.trawire.com

 

[Johan07]

What they said.

I still see us going big on a CB this summer.

Yeah, me too. I dont see the Jones deal as a sign that we will not go really hard for a real top CB-target this summer. Quite the opposite actually.
IMO we are going to go for a top top player though, and they have to be available and want to come as well though.
But I would be very, very surprised if not one of Koulibaly/De Ligt/Skriniar becomes a United player this summer.
Woodward is always being ridiculed for the Varane-quote when what he said makes complete sense. If there is a world class young(ish) player available the club will not hesitate to spend. It should be a good thing that.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

What the feck.

Ole's first mistake...

Poch wouldn't have resigned this guy.

Aaaah, the Saint Poch...

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Yeah, me too. I dont see the Jones deal as a sign that we will not go really hard for a real top CB-target this summer. Quite the opposite actually.

Maybe were keeping him to part exchange with another club.

We tell Leicester they can feck off with their £75m cash price for Maguire and offer them £74m plus Jones

 

[Im red2]

He done a great job for the club, but let's face the facts. His time at the top is over. Could you imagine him playing at another top club? Take Barcelona, Real Madrid or any other top club, could you fit him in? I can remember him playing very well for United in very many European games, one example being an away match at Real where he ended up as MOM in my opinion. But I seriously think we need to aim higher.

 

[JMack1234]

I can get giving him a new contract so he doesn't walk away for nothing but to give him a 4 and half year contract is absolutely barmy.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I wouldn’t say lesser human beings, just lesser intelligence.

You really deserve a tagline for your brilliance. I hope a mod can oblige with something suiting.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

April is still a good bit off, what the hell is going on here.

Not sure how to feel about this really, he could still be sold and he could still just do what he is doing where he pops in every so often and does a somewhat up and down job.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Good.

 

[Moriarty]

Jones is never going to be a top-level centre half for us or anyone else, no matter who's doing the coaching.

 

[Im red2]

I can get giving him a new contract so he doesn't walk away for nothing but to give him a 4 and half year contract is absolutely barmy.

I agree, a 1 year contract would have been my offer. And even then I would have wondered.

 

[fergieisold]

You really deserve a tagline for your brilliance. I hope a mod can oblige with something suiting.

Maybe you should pick something?

 

[deef]

The shite in here...honestly 99% of people on this forum have no fecking idea about a squad. They want 11 world class players and that’s the end of it.

Astonishing how many people this don’t get.

Let him leave for free and then buy a backup would cost more then have him around for 50k a week.

He’s homegrown and doesn’t make a fuss when he’s not playing.

 

[All 3 United]

Don’t think this is a bad call but we need a DoF in place ASAP.

 

[Prodigy24]

Still can't quite believe it. A ridiculous decision, even if they want a longer contract to sell him for a decent fee.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The only way this is vaguely acceptable is if we sign another starting CB.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Jones is never going to be a top-level centre half for us or anyone else, no matter who's doing the coaching.

He had a great run with Rojo before, like usual, he got injured and struggled to re-find that form again, as well as other factors like confidence, team form, locker room morale, etc. Anyways this is probably bad news for one of Rojo or Bailly if we are certain on signing a new CB.

 

[breakout67]

The only way this is vaguely acceptable is if we sign another starting CB.

I doubt this comes into at all. This Jones decision is a completely financial one and has very little footballing basis.

It is cheaper to get Jones for the next few years costing £10m in wages than to buy a replacement for a fee + wages. Now of course the truly finacially savvy move would be to bin Jones completely and replace him with Tuanzebe who would cost nothing and be on a lower wage essentially saving us double the wages and a fee.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I doubt this comes into at all. This Jones decision is a completely financial one and has very little footballing basis.

It is cheaper to get Jones for the next few years costing £10m in wages than to buy a replacement for a fee + wages. Now of course the truly finacially savvy move would be to bin Jones completely and replace him with Tuanzebe who would cost nothing and be on a lower wage essentially saving us double the wages and a fee.

Should be fun when Lindelof is our only fit CB.