Chelsea given two-window transfer ban | Free to sign players in January

[fergosaurus]

They should double the length of bans for any rejected appeals. That might deter clubs from exploiting that angle. Do Atletico have an option to buy on Morata and can Chelsea do anything to stop them signing him of they do?

 

[SilentWitness]

Poor Hazard? Ha! His new contract is going to have a blank box for his salary and he’ll be able to write whatever number he wants in there.

Yeah, i wasn't really being serious but I doubt he is going to sign a contract regardless of what happens.

 

[crossy1686]

Barcelona did it with Arda Turan for example.

But he had a big signing day, posed with a shirt and all that at the camp nou and was then loaned out right after. He was still milling around the club in preseason before his loan move.

 

[Siorac]

The key element here is that the FA have been sanctioned. From what I have read the main issue is that the FA agreed to the policy which in effect allowed players like Tarore to play in matches that were classified as trial matches prior to the age of 18. It has been confirmed the FA are going to appeal.

There is no doubt that Chelsea will lodge an appeal toward the end of the 90 day window which takes the process through to mid May.

What then follows is that there is little or no chance of the appeal process being finalised by the time the summer window opens around June 7th. Irrespective of how fast FIFA move I would suspect that a final appeal would be made to CAS which again all takes time.

The number of players supposedly involved is no where near the same as Atletico were charged with and likewise they were hit with a two window ban whereas Real and Barcelona weren’t hit with anything like Chelsea have now been so I would expect that ban to be reduced to just one window.

Finally this is the first result from the long term FIFA investigation into English clubs the strong rumour is that other PL clubs will likewise be hit with fines and or bans so I wouldn’t be jumping to any conclusions just at this point .

Barcelona also got a two-window ban, didn't they? Exact same punishment.

 

[Castia]

Will Hazard pull a Griezmann?

'I cant leave whilst the club is in a tough position'.....I doubt it.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Weren't they handed a ban years ago and got it reversed? 2009 or something.

Nothing go stop them doing the same while strengthening in the summer.

 

[Nick7]

But Pulisic is already a Chelsea player and loaned back to Dortmund right? So technically he should be able to be registered come June?

Yes, Pulisic has been registered by FIFA and UEFA as a Chelsea player. Along with all of their youth, first team, and on loan players, none of these are affected.

What would be affected is if they buy a new player, they can't register him as a Chelsea player. They would have a contract with Chelsea and be a Chelsea player but they can't officially be registered by FIFA TMS as a Chelsea player until the ban is lifted.

It's the pretty much the exact same thing as if you buy a player but the paperwork for registering them goes through late, as happened to Leicester and Andre Silva. They bought him but registered him with Fifa too late therefore he wasn't able to play for them until January.

What you're thinking about with regard to u21's is the Premier League registration, not FIFA.

 

[terraloo]

Hazard, Morata, CHO. Who else can they sell for an appreciable amount? I doubt they'll get 100m for Hazard as he's in his last year and Real probably won't be bullied into paying that much. Giroud, Willian and Pedro are all in their 30s and won't likely fetch that much. Would they envisage selling Kante?

Not sure that the likes of Kante will be going anywhere.

A quick look at the players they have out on loan is where vast sums could be raised without impact similarly they have squad players like Drinkwater and Zappacosta who would raise the odd 10 to 20 million and again won’t impact.

I sort of suspect that Chelsea have been planning for this for a while in that the likes of Ampadu, who is already a full international and now ready for first team along with others like Abraham and Loftus - Cheek will be bulking their squad and as perverse as this might seem it could well be the best thing that’s ever happened to them.

 

[Fooza]

When I first read it I thought it was 2 summer transfer windows leaving them screwed. But one summer and one Jan window isn't so bad.

 

[SilentWitness]

You should still be fine with Chelsea appealing. My guess is they appeal and end up only being banned for a winter window. The bigger issue with signing Zouma is probably if Christensen is adamant on leaving Chelsea and Luiz doesn't extend along with Cahill leaving.

Might be better for you if you don't get Zouma anyway. Chelsea will be asking for a high fee and there are better players you can sign. He's not quite been the same since his injury.

Yeah, i agree. I'd rather we try and mould our own players and look to bringing people like Holgate through who is doing really well at West Brom. Being banned for a winter window will be fine too, barely anything happened in this one.

 

[Trizy]

When I first read it I thought it was 2 summer transfer windows leaving them screwed. But one summer and one Jan window isn't so bad.

It's only bad if their squad is shite. Which it is, they're all horribly average bar Hazard.

 

[roonster09]

Looks like appeal and sign wont work

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[Kostur]

With the amount of the youth they've signed and sent on loan they should be charged with human trafficking instead.

 

[King7Eric]

We are talking about Chelsea, they could probably rake in £200m just by selling Drinkwater and Bakayoko.

 

[Nick7]

Looks like appeal and sign wont work

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Oh wow, that's different. Wonder why the appeal window is so short.

 

[roonster09]

Oh wow, that's different. Wonder why the appeal window is so short.

Maybe they learnt their lesson after Barca, Madrid made fun of it.

 

[Skills]

Pulisic makes more sense now

 

[dove]

Don't think it will affect them much. They will surely appeal and they will be able to sign players this summer. Seriously FIFA should have realised by now that this time wasting tactic always works and should do something similar like with red cards, if appeal is rejected then ban length is increased. The way it works now is a bit useless.

 

[Nick7]

Maybe they learnt their lesson after Barca, Madrid made fun of it.

Assume so, didn't think FIFA had it in them though.

 

[roonster09]

Don't think it will affect them much. They will surely appeal and they will be able to sign players this summer. Seriously FIFA should have realised by now that this time wasting tactic always works and should do something similar like with red cards, if appeal is rejected then ban length is increased. The way it works now is a bit useless.

They have 3 days to appeal. So good chance the decision will be made before June.

 

[terraloo]

Barcelona also got a two-window ban, didn't they? Exact same punishment.

In terms of the length of ban they did but in terms of financial Chelsea fine is much bigger.

 

[Cassidy]

So is there max number of players that can be signed under the age of 18? And was the 29 signings in one season?

 

[Cassidy]

In terms of the length of ban they did but in terms of financial Chelsea fine is much bigger.

The offence isn't the same though I am guessing. Just like Atletico got a worse punishment than Real due to the extent of the issue.

 

[Adisa]

Looks like appeal and sign wont work

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Yes it will.
From the point Atletico appealed to FIFA, to CAS upholding the initial judgement, it took almost a year.
So even if Chelsea appeal on Monday, the will have the summer to sign players if they take it all the way to CAS.
Only chance is of CAS also expedites the case as well.

 

[mitchmouse]

I'll be interested to see how and how quickly they get round this...

 

[dove]

They have 3 days to appeal. So good chance the decision will be made before June.

Hope you are right.

 

[Rozay]

Doubt they can appeal to buy time. Atletico had to endure a summer ban, that won’t work anymore.

 

[Adisa]

Doubt they can appeal to buy time. Atletico had to endure a summer ban, that won’t work anymore.

Atletico delayed their ban by a year.

 

[Robertd0803]

Why even workaround rules for players they end up sending out on unending loans anyways?

Exactly. No sympathy whatsoever for them considering they could probably field 3 teams of loan players at this point. (Well I was never going to have some anyway but you get my point.)

 

[Rozay]

Atletico delayed their ban by a year.

They did? Thought the timeframe was similar to Chelsea’s in that it was around January/February that year.

 

[Castia]

I'll be interested to see how and how quickly they get round this...

They wont get out of this even on appeal, they've been found guilty of 28 improper deals, they're going to have to take this one on the chin and they know it.

The clamber for a striker in January and the Pulisic signing is evidence of this imo.

 

[Siorac]

In terms of the length of ban they did but in terms of financial Chelsea fine is much bigger.

Meh. £460,000. That's small change for a Premier League club. If you ask nicely, Sanchez might even pay it with one week's worth of his wages.

 

[Adisa]

They did? Thought the timeframe was similar to Chelsea’s in that it was around January/February that year.

Atletico got ban in January 16, CAS upheld ban in January 2017.

 

[anant]

Can they register Pulisic in the next window?

As per Sky Germany the deal has already been entered in the transfer matching system in Jan. So, should not be a problem for Chelsea there

 

[FootballHQ]

Problem is Chelsea have previous.....

I remember Chelsea getting a two window ban for signing Gael Kakuta....mad to think that was nearly 10 years ago now.

On 3 September 2009, it was announced by the FIFA Dispute Resolution Chamber,[8] that Kakuta would be banned for four months and be fined €780,000 due to a breach of contract with his old club Lens in order to sign for Chelsea in the summer of 2007. Chelsea were also banned from signing any players in the next two transfer windows due to their involvement in inducing the player to break his contract at Lens, meaning they would have been unable to buy or sell players until January 2011. Further to this they received a €130,000 fine, payable to RC Lens.[6]

The club stated that they would "mount the strongest appeal possible" and described the behavior of FIFA as "extraordinarily arbitrary decision". Chelsea believed "the sanctions are without precedent to this level and totally disproportionate to the alleged offense and the financial penalty imposed".[9] Chelsea appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, who subsequently lifted the sanctions on the club and the player after ruling that Kakuta did not have a valid contract with Lens, and therefore could not have breached it. Chelsea's transfer ban was suspended later in the same year, and was lifted in February 2010

I probably agree they will probably get punishment down to just one transfer window. Still seems a fair few Chelsea fans are welcoming this as way of getting some of their talented young players out on loan finally into the 18 on regular basis.

 

[cyberman]

Apparently we were going to try and sign Zouma on a perm transfer, or at least see if Chelsea were willing to manouevere on a deal. It might be a stumbling block for many of the loans they have ongoing at the moment, and it would be even worse if they all came back and they couldn't get rid of them. I'd be surprised if anything serious comes from this anyway, every other club under these rules have found ways around it, so will Chelsea.

No club has ever overturned a ban?

 

[Himannv]

Chelsea have rejected £50+ bids for Willian in the last year.

Unsurprising considering the market these days tbh.

 

[cyberman]

Doubt they can appeal to buy time. Atletico had to endure a summer ban, that won’t work anymore.

Either way means they have a summer transfer window?

 

[Cassidy]

No club has ever overturned a ban?

Chelsea have in 2009 referenced above in this thread, don't think they will be able to get out of this one though

 

[freeurmind]

Sorry if it's been mentioned but does this affect the Pulisic deal?