Have you seen this forum in the last 6 years....?
It's a cesspit of criticism.
My thoughts:
The CO92 are free to say whatever they want. Just as Zlatan is. But I'd take the opinion of those who's been with the club for a longer time.
Sorry Zlatan.
Disrespecting the class of 92
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It's a cesspit of criticism.
My thoughts:
The CO92 are free to say whatever they want. Just as Zlatan is. But I'd take the opinion of those who's been with the club for a longer time.
Sorry Zlatan.
Glad it helped
Have I said that once have I? That going to OT makes you a better fan? Whack that in bold and let me know when that was said, will sit here and wait...............
Disagreeing is fine, no issue with that, but that's not what the post is about is it. There is disagreeing and there is going over the top with abuse that it did not go to plan, any "United" fan who is giving Scholes abuse and loving that he failed needs his head re-attaching, you want to disagree, crack on lad.
Look forward to you letting me know where I said anyone who goes to OT is a better fan, just Twitter trolls who sit online day and night going through two tons of stats to argue with everyone, and abuse ex players for having an opinion/trying their hand at management, I have zero time for them, to me, they ain't "fans".
You disagree, knock yourself out lad, good on you
Yeah think my medal for being a "Top Red" is on its way haha nothing like defending Paul Scholes and getting abused for it ha this forum to a tee to be fair
Okay, We get it, Top Red. I'm sure you were there too when They sprayed Garlic at Old Trafford (or maybe this post is the result of too much Garlic).
Zlatan made some good points
It’s a bit clickish and the whole obsession with the 92 thing and Fergie is a bit much, and sometimes doesn’t help us. As an outsider he obviously felt it
They are club legends who gave us everything
But just like keane & ince & Ronaldo etc they deserve to get criticized if they mess up
I think ole sets the right tone usually
Not class of 92 but an outsider who gets the club but seems to be living in 2019
The past and ethos are for respecting but they are gone. It’s 2019 now it’s time to win again
It’s a bit clickish and the whole obsession with the 92 thing and Fergie is a bit much, and sometimes doesn’t help us. As an outsider he obviously felt it
They are club legends who gave us everything
But just like keane & ince & Ronaldo etc they deserve to get criticized if they mess up
I think ole sets the right tone usually
Not class of 92 but an outsider who gets the club but seems to be living in 2019
The past and ethos are for respecting but they are gone. It’s 2019 now it’s time to win again
Says it all
Zlatan knows how massive clubs operates, he's played for the biggest sides in every major league in Europe. The other side of this coin is if Zlatan, with all of his mental toughness, is annoyed by it then how are the rest of the club taking it and is it helpful in any way?
Liverpool fell away, in part by always championing their former players over how modern football operates. There's a real danger we could follow suit to be honest.
Liverpool fell away, in part by always championing their former players over how modern football operates. There's a real danger we could follow suit to be honest.
What's that about? Haven seen the documentary, mind you.
On the other hand you can say the biggest clubs are built or led by the people who played or spent time at the clubs.
Juventus - Their comeback was because of Conte, their former player, who played for more than 10 years and won everything there is to win.
Atletico Madrid - Their former player who won league title as a player for Atletico Madrid
Real Madrid - Their legendary player who came back as manager and won 3 CL titles. Before that their most successful period was under Del Bosque who played almost his entire career at Madrid.
Barcelona - They won 5 CL titles, 4 of them are won by coaches who were also superb players for Barca. Cruyff, Pep, Luis Enrique.
Milan - Won league title, couple of CL titles and few runners up under ex Milan player Ancelotti.
Bayern - Their president and Chairman are ex Bayern players who won everything at Bayern.
Ajax are back to CL, many of their Ex player are running the club now. They won 6 league titles in last 20 years and all of them under ex Ajax players. They won CL under manager who was assistant at Ajax
PSV have won league title and leading table under their Ex player now.
Just because Liverpool somehow messed up doesn't mean it's a failed method. (btw they were very successful with Shalkly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish. All successive managers promoted within).
Ibrahimovic, another one with his eyes wide open to the CO92 charade.
The Nevilles have got this lippiness and uppity attitude that just rubs me the wrong way. Just pipe down you busybodies.
well said mate.
And that means they can get called out for their extreme or stupid views, without other fans accusing the critics of disrespecting their holy position at the club
It was always Phil Neville that played behind Giggs at left back. Never anyone else, always Phil
They have their own brand, their own agendas etc. That's cool, it is what it is.
I just found that disappointing and incredibly disrespectful. Absolutely no need for that
I'm not a pundit. I'm a fan on an internet forum....And anyone here is allowed to criticise me if I rant (and they frequently do). Zlatan would be free to criticise me. The only reason he won't is because he has no reason to know/care what I think.
The problem is you are insinuating that because of who they are their opinion and behaviour is untouchable or shouldn't be questioned, which is ridiculous. Other pundits as no different so I'm not sure what your point us there. Souness literally gets criticised and mocked by the other pundits he's on tv with.
Spot on.
That's shocking really and totally insulting to Irwin.
I'm surprised they don't start saying it was always a midfield three of Butt Scholes and Beckham.
Scholes and Giggs were fantastic players no doubt about that but let's face it what would they have achieved with Eric , Keane ,Schmeichel Rooney and Ronaldo etc
In my view they contributed a lot more to our success than the so called class of 92
1995/1996, if Eric doesn't come back, Newcastle win that league and Liverpool finish ahead of us.
Sharpe played a few times at left back that season. Gary Neville played centre back a few times too. Crazy season that
+5 Top red points. You’ve earned them lad
What's the context? Have any quotes?
Pretty sure Phil Neville said some stuff about Roy Keane missing the 99 Champions League final and the world being able to see how great Nicky Butt was or something.
If Keane was there Bayern wouldn't have played us off the park.
Watched the full match again a whole back crazy how lucky we were that night with the chances they missed
Seriously though.
G Nev comes across as an idiot with his punditry. He says some strange things about us, and his mantra seems to be back the manager, and everything else is secondary to that, even when rational thought is contrary to his belief. It’s not limited to us though. If I remember correctly he was a staunch backer of Wenger as well even in his last days. His Pogba comments were way out of line.
Scholes is an interesting one. He’s often come out in strong criticism of us under Vangle and Mourinho, and honestly, I’ve struggled to disagree with the things that he’s said. Most times when he’s spoken I’ve agreed with what he said. I disagreed with his comments about Pogba in the past, but I understand where they came from. Scholes was (pretty much) a one of a kind midfielder that could do everything. I can see why he might want the same from the most talented midfielder we’ve had since him, so I can forgive those comments.
Phil Neville, well, I would be lying if I said I ever paid much attention to what he has said in the past.
Ultimately though, there’s nothing wrong with these players giving their opinions on us, even if they’re negative. That’s their job, whether they actually feel that way or they’re just trying to be controversial. On the other hand, there’s also nothing disrespectful about our fans saying their views are stupid. G Nev has been the definition of an idiot with respect to United over the last year or so.
We need to separate our relationship with the CO92 from what it was when they were players, to what it is now with them as football pundits. They aren’t obligated to always say nice things, and we aren’t obligated to deify them and not criticize them or the things they say.
G Nev comes across as an idiot with his punditry. He says some strange things about us, and his mantra seems to be back the manager, and everything else is secondary to that, even when rational thought is contrary to his belief. It’s not limited to us though. If I remember correctly he was a staunch backer of Wenger as well even in his last days. His Pogba comments were way out of line.
Scholes is an interesting one. He’s often come out in strong criticism of us under Vangle and Mourinho, and honestly, I’ve struggled to disagree with the things that he’s said. Most times when he’s spoken I’ve agreed with what he said. I disagreed with his comments about Pogba in the past, but I understand where they came from. Scholes was (pretty much) a one of a kind midfielder that could do everything. I can see why he might want the same from the most talented midfielder we’ve had since him, so I can forgive those comments.
Phil Neville, well, I would be lying if I said I ever paid much attention to what he has said in the past.
Ultimately though, there’s nothing wrong with these players giving their opinions on us, even if they’re negative. That’s their job, whether they actually feel that way or they’re just trying to be controversial. On the other hand, there’s also nothing disrespectful about our fans saying their views are stupid. G Nev has been the definition of an idiot with respect to United over the last year or so.
We need to separate our relationship with the CO92 from what it was when they were players, to what it is now with them as football pundits. They aren’t obligated to always say nice things, and we aren’t obligated to deify them and not criticize them or the things they say.
God banned Roy Keane from the final so the world could see how good Nicky Butt was, I believe is what it was
Not watching it again but that is what was said. Think it was Becks who it said, "Gary was always behind me yano and Phil was always at left back behind Giggsy"*
*Probably wrong that it was Becks but, that was 100% said
So did the Caf
The circle of Mourinho attacking the circle of Ferguson. Jose a master of getting old pals to do his subtle digs for him.
Didn't know Buchan was a mate of Jose's
Jeez... I am surprised by the number of people who genuinely believe Jose is somehow masterminding all this.
Some people seem to be so obsessed with Jose that they see him everywhere.
Some people seem to be so obsessed with Jose that they see him everywhere.
This is fake news. I’ve seen the C’92 documentary. There was no emphasis on Phil Neville ‘always playing left back’ in fact it was repeatedly mentioned that he played in different positions. It was also mentioned numerous times when Gary would be dropped for Phil including the 1996 FA Cup Final.
I’m not saying they’re untouchable and shouldn’t be questioned I just don’t understand why people get so wound up about them merely expressing an opinion that is clearly expressed through their red tinted specs. Why are people getting angry at Scholes for slagging off Mourinho when we have about 200 pages of united fans slagging off Mourinho on here.
My point about the pundits was in response to you implying that as pundits they needed to act in a certain way which is never going to happen because there’s too much emotional attachment.
It's not fake news. Thanks
Yeah, that rings a bell.
Where did I post that?!
Hargreaves!
Good grief. He's the absolute worst. Still has an axe to grind because the club didn't renew him on account of his missing knees.Gary is a prick these days but there's very little about the things that Scholes said that weren't true when he said them.
He's not. He's Jose's boy and always will be.
I'm from Toronto, so I know what I'm talking about.
That sounds really twatish.
Huh? How does that prove you know anything about the local league? Plenty of eurosnob glory hunters around here who don't follow our league...
Anyway for the topic: the class of 92 are free to have an opinion, but I agree with the consensus that none of them would criticize their mates like Rooney for poor performances.
Oh come if it please.
Hes gone, no need for making things up and blaming him for absolutely everything.
The thing is I only watched it about three weeks ago and I remember going into it with the comments on here about Phil neville being at left back, at the front of my thoughts and lo and behold it was ridiculously exaggerated. There was far more made of Gary getting dropped for Phil than anything else.
Didn’t happen mate, watch it and see for yourself.
Some people view Jose as some all powerful overlord who has minions all around the world in his control.
He's like an Emperor from Star wars or something.
Or Professor X from X-Men controlling people's minds while sitting in his chair