Change the law in Germany then. Your classmate was being groomed.
Adam Johnson found guilty of one count of sexual activity with a child | Sentenced to six years
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I never understand why people point to the age of consent in other countries to somehow lessen the crimes of people in their own country. There was a 13 year old stoned to death for adultery in Somalia a few years back after she was raped by 3 men. Should we be doing that here too?
Our societies have determined and written into law that girls of 15 are not mentally prepared to have sexual relations with grown men. If you ignore this rule you are a rapist or sexual assaulter - it's not a trick law and nobody is unaware of this. I have some (not a huge amount) sympathy for younger men who are tricked into thinking mature looking girls are older than they are but I've absolutely none for the likes of Johnson who knew exactly what he was doing.
If we stop making excuses for these gobshites we'll go a long way towards stamping out such behaviour in our societies.
Our societies have determined and written into law that girls of 15 are not mentally prepared to have sexual relations with grown men. If you ignore this rule you are a rapist or sexual assaulter - it's not a trick law and nobody is unaware of this. I have some (not a huge amount) sympathy for younger men who are tricked into thinking mature looking girls are older than they are but I've absolutely none for the likes of Johnson who knew exactly what he was doing.
If we stop making excuses for these gobshites we'll go a long way towards stamping out such behaviour in our societies.
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What gets me is them laughing about a 50 year old man dating a 20 woman. Wonder how they would react if their 20 year old son brought home a 50 year woman?
Correct. He has broken the law and should take all the fallout, even after coming out of prison. I agree about the situation of being fooled. That can happen. Somebody can make a mistake. Johnson knew her age and still went ahead. That is wrong. She is a schoolGIRL, not a schoolWOMAN.
Whilst i agree what you are saying, it is not pedophilia. By definition used by the DSM, it has to be a pre-pubescent child.
I see your point but I would have to disagree overall, I think that the footballing profession at the level he was at is a very different level of privilege and scale to other professions and need to be treated in a different way to many other cases. Johnson most likely has the means to rebuild his life without the need for football too.
We are not talking about Somalia but other civilised Western countries such as Germany and France. And they have determined that these relations are acceptable. So it's valid to bring this up at least. Noone is denying that Johnson rightfully went to prison under UK law.
Fair enough. I'll change that as I wasn't aware the definition only applied to pre-pubescent kids.
Because it demonstrates the age of consent is arbitrary. And no we should not emulate Somalia who as of recently did not even have a government so is a far cry from us culturally and socially.
Countries like Germany and Italy (other western Europeans) is who we should compare our societies to. Both have 14 as the age of consent. Do you think our government has done some secret scientific research that determined that British girls are less able to consent to sex at that age than our German and Italian neighbours? probably not. In the USA, neighbouring States can range from 16 or 18 which is fairly stupid. That said, Adam Johnson is deffo a nonce. He was 29 and she was 15 and he would be regarded a rapist in many countries as he has a position of authority. I believe CSE laws may apply here. If I had a 15 year old daughter and she was dating a 17 year old, I would not care in the slightest as they are both kids to me but Johnson is probably a case for CSE laws
Just a point, what Johnson did is still illegal in Germany. The age of consent is 16 when the other is over the age of 21.
15 year old is a child? In Brazil it's legal to have sex at that age (14 is the limit). If it's a crime in the UK then it should be treated as such, but to claim a 15 year old doesn't know what she was doing is laughable. One of the reasons why we have so many childlike adults nowadays is because they are treated as kids until their thirties and are never held accountable for anything. Anyway, if all he did was consented "digital" stuff the sentence is too severe.
I'm not in the rapist defense league but that doesn't stand as rape in my book, albeit a sexual offense.
I'm not in the rapist defense league but that doesn't stand as rape in my book, albeit a sexual offense.
That is not true.
And it happens very rarely that someone gets sentenced as it has become widely socially accepted now. The estimated number of relations between 14/15 and 21+ that result in a criminal complaint is below 1%.
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Yeah but that doesnt make it gross though.
I feel as if people trying to pretend nature and biology do not exist.
Theres nothing gross about a man being attracted to post pubescent teenager. No matter how many people like to pretend otherwise.
Which is completely understandable. I don't think anyone believes men over the age of 25 should be sleeping with teenagers
Agreed, what we need to toughen up the next crop of young teens is to let adults have sex with them.
So is the first question the man asks, Have you started your periods?, because that seems to be what you think make a girl fair game.
social contracts often supersede science and logic though.
Yeah, because that was what I suggested.
Why don't you go look for your brain?
Edit: soy eating Arsenal fan. That explains a lot.
Btw, when I read the thread title I thought he'd done a six year kid or something. He commited a sexual offense against a teen. That is the truth. Saying he's a pedo is a lie. Period.
It is what you suggested.
I disagree.
Firstly, I don't believe any country which decides a 15 year old is old enough to have sex with an adult is fully civilised.
But let's put that aside for a moment and pretend we do agree with their determination of what age is appropriate. That doesn't mean what is right for them should necessarily determine our own law making.
In Germany and France, young people often seem more mature far earlier than we did here in the UK and Ireland. They pick up languages far better than we do, they are able to travel abroad without embarrassing themselves in other cultures as is often the case with our teenagers or even 20/30 somethings. Look at their footballers who move abroad far more often and settle way more effectively than British footballers have done historically. It's entirely possible that the Germans and French are correct to believe their 14/15 year olds are emotionally mature enough for sexual relationships with adults because their parents and societies prepare them better than ours do.
What it boils down to for me, is a simple question of who are you creating the law to protect? Kids develop at different rates so do you write a law to protect the 30 year old bloke who fell for a particularly developed 15 year old who pretended she was 18, or do you create legislation to protect the slowly developing 15 year old who might be two or three years behind the physical or emotional development of her peers?
There is no reason any adult needs to be having sex with anyone under the age of 17/18. That couple of years will give the slow developers a buffer to catch up before being preyed upon by emotionally stunted men-children who lack the balls or character to develop proper relationships with adult women.
Then go report me to the cops, since you're accusing me of sex crime incitation, due to your ridiculous inability of interpretation. Btw, what are the caf policy on posters accusing others of commiting crimes (aka slander)?
On the side of the poster not advocating having sex with children.
You're calling a huge portion of the civilized world uncivilized based on that one criteria alone. That's crazy.
Insulting another member
I suppose you're part of the staff? If not, eff off and don't talk on their behalf. And I never fecking advocated that so shut your effing mouth.
allow me to continue speaking on their behalf and tell you that post is against forum rules.Go on report me then. My crime is having a different opinion to the PC brigade.
UK people get triggered over a minor sexual offense against a teen but close their eyes to the rape and sex traffic gangs growing like weed in your country. How civilized are you again?
Oh all the hills to die on, you chose a sex offender one. Well done.
And also to suggest fingering someone against their will is not rape and have a weird view that thirty somethings having sex with teens is going to help them mature faster and stop the snowflake generation.
Yep.
You mentioned Brazil. Brazil has an abysmal record when it comes to misogyny, domestic abuse, sexual assault and rape, child prostitution and the exploitation of women in general. It's hardly the country we should be looking to when deciding how best to protect women and children.
I don't recall it being against her will. And I still reckon it's a crime. See my first post. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't be treated like a true cold rapist and pedophile. The "rape" is statutory and the victim is not a child, it's a teen. Facts are being exagerated to demonize the perpetrator. That's my whole point.
And for the last time, I'm not advocating sex with teens. My critic was directed to teenagers on their way to become adults being treated as if they were 5. Hence the thread title that's absolutely misleading and puts AJ on a much worse light. That is all.
No, nothing gross about being attracted to a 20-year-old. I'm 32 and I find twentysomething girls attractive. Attraction in itself is nothing.
However, a relationship between someone in their fifties and someone in their early twenties at the very least makes me feel uncomfortable. They are at vastly different places in their lives, with very different amount of life experience. 'Gross' may have been a strong word but I do think it's generally healthier to pursue age-appropriate relationships.
I know what my country is like, thank you for pointing it out. But believe me, of all the things leading to that scenario, the legal sex age is not a part of that.
On the posters talking about a fifty year old going off with a twenty year old, the rule of thumb is half your age plus seven.
So 25 plus seven, 32. In the this case.
Again its only a rule of thumb.
So 25 plus seven, 32. In the this case.
Again its only a rule of thumb.
His sentence was less than people selling dreamboxes.
The rules of Brazil doesn't really matter in the UK.
Just a reminder that Johnson himself knew that kissing a girl of that age was an offense and yet he still did.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...-age-of-consent-on-internet-a3186266.html?amp
Forgive me if I don't take your word as fact that it isn't a contributing factor.
Men who lack the ability to develop mature, responsible relationships with women they see as their equals, almost invariably also lack the ability to respect women. Brazil would be a better country if it encouraged men to have healthier relationships with adult women and any 29 year old who needs to have sexual relations with a 15 year old is a nonce - nothing will convince me otherwise.
@Le Red is getting unwarranted abuse, people are twisting his/her words.
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