Everybody has to consider £100m mate, maybe apart from the Oil clubs.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Eden of course, I wouldn't mention it if it weren't Eden.
80m for Sancho would be great value in this market. We would paying that much for a player who could give us 15 years.
Too right
I think there's more to these rumors than the usual run of the mill silly season paper talk. There is genuine strong interest on United's part, and Sancho seems interested as well. He just retweeted a tweet from Rio Ferdinand where Rio strongly advocated a Manchester United move. Sancho deleted it soon after. He could stay at Dortmund or he could move to another big club like PSG but I think United will go for him.
RW seems to the priority this summer and will command the biggest fee surely no matter who the club sign. When united smashed the world transfer record on Pogba the club still spent almost another 100M on Mkhitaryan and Bailly. Ole or whoever else will be in charge will get the transfer kitty they need for identified targets.
I have never rated Ross Barkley and Januzaj wasn't as highly rated as Sancho in the youth team. He also didn't put up similar numbers in the first team, though I accept that I thought Januzaj was going to make it.
Not sure what you are suggesting as an alternative though... wait until his price goes up then buy him, despite the fact we need a right winger now and he might not be available next season? Buy a 'sure thing' but less talented player? Spend 300MIL on Mbappe? Or go back in time and poach Sancho from his academy at 15?
Just because not all youth players progress to the predicted level, doesn't mean you avoid signing them. Particularly ones who have excelled throughout their youth levels. The youngsters who burst onto the scene from nowhere with a goal like Macheda or Januzaj are less likely to make it.
Simple. Have a limit.
If we're apparently trying to buy him for £70-80 million then great. If Dortmund ask for more, we're out. There are plenty of other good young players who for all we know might play better than he does next season. And any actual right winger with talent who has played well this season is likely to improve our team because thats something we don't have.
I know this place. If we sign Sancho for over £100 million and next season Hudson-Odoi or some other flavour of the season player has a better season than him, suddenly there will be questions of why we didnt buy that player instead of Sancho. And complaints that now they'll cost £150-200 million because we messed up and didnt get them sooner.
So yes, he might be just as good next season but the complaints will never stop regardless. They'll just be transfered
But that's also why you/ the club should just focus what they want/need. Which to be fair is what they do anyway.
So for me Sancho is the real deal. So if I were making the decision I would go for it at 100m. Depending on budget even upto 150m.
Cuz as you say there will be people complaining about something or the other anyway.
The difference is the pressure on the player. And we're talking about a kid here. £100-150 million of pressure on Sancho to perform every week may be too much at this early stage of his career.
At Dortmund hes playing with freedom because hes just another player. If we build him up as a superstar, he's going to be torn down like the rest when he dips at some point. Just look at the press with Sterling for example.
If we buy someone more experienced for the same price, they'll be more ready mentally for how harsh they will be treated. They'll have more experience, not just on the football pitch, but in life in general to know how to bounce back after some hard times.
Dumping that pressure on a teenager who has played 1 season doesn't feel like the same thing. It feels like setting him up to fail.
If he, or whoever the alternative is, costs half of that price like Fred did then that player has more chance to look like a great signing. And less pressure if they dont immediately hit the ground running. We can look at Fred again here, when we're losing and Fred isnt even playing we're wondering what we did with all that money. So double the media talk about Fred failing and double the posts complaining about Fred and wondering why we signed him. Thats whats in store for Jadon Sancho if he has some poor months for us at 19 years old.
We'll be expected to go for the title, if we still fall some way short it'll suddenly be his fault. All that money and we're still far behind City, etc.
It just makes far more sense for him to become a marquee player, when he's ready to be a marquee player and far more likely to succeed and not rushing him before he has learned the tools, because he costs twice as much on Football Manager after another season.
Think the views debated in this thread might be summed up roughly as follows:
1. He is talented but not all that, signing him for 80m would be a big risk.
2. He is a top talent and we'd do well to sign him for 80-100m.
3. He is an exceptional talent (think Neymar, Mbappe) and we should sign him even if it would cost us 130-150m.
I'm with 2. But I don't think Dortmund will sell him, unless we offer well in excess of 100m.
1. He is talented but not all that, signing him for 80m would be a big risk.
2. He is a top talent and we'd do well to sign him for 80-100m.
3. He is an exceptional talent (think Neymar, Mbappe) and we should sign him even if it would cost us 130-150m.
I'm with 2. But I don't think Dortmund will sell him, unless we offer well in excess of 100m.
If we don't sign him for that sort of money, some other team will, it's very simple, we'll look like chumps and you'll have loads of people retrospectively saying "WHY DID WE BULK AT THE PRICE, IF WE WERE A PROPER BIG TEAM WE'D JUST SIGN HIM!!"
I've only really seen his highlights, but I feel he would be our best right winger since Nani if he does come in, only we'll actually have a good left winger this time as well.
What sucks is our board has been so inefficient when it comes to transfers and renewing contracts
1. New Manager needs to be decided
2. De Gea's contract needs to be extended
3. Herrera's contract needs to be extended
4. Pogba needs to be offered a new contract
5. Sanchez needs to be moved on
6. We need to buy a CB
7. We need to buy a CM as a replacement for Matic
8. We need to buy a RW
9. We may need to buy a RB
So much stuff to do and I don't think we will get to it. The first four items can be taken care of between now and the end of the season but that won't happen and it will carry on in the summer which will leave us no time to add new players and get rid of the deadwood. The summer looks bleak
1. New Manager needs to be decided
2. De Gea's contract needs to be extended
3. Herrera's contract needs to be extended
4. Pogba needs to be offered a new contract
5. Sanchez needs to be moved on
6. We need to buy a CB
7. We need to buy a CM as a replacement for Matic
8. We need to buy a RW
9. We may need to buy a RB
So much stuff to do and I don't think we will get to it. The first four items can be taken care of between now and the end of the season but that won't happen and it will carry on in the summer which will leave us no time to add new players and get rid of the deadwood. The summer looks bleak
I mentioned talent, as in an ability beyond and Sancho isn’t even close to the ability of Dembele and arguably Dembele is technically more advanced with a ball than Mbappe and probably more so than Rooney so does the name fit in that list talking about talent, then yes.
Where does this 80mil figure come from? Dortmund just sold Pulisic, who is all hype and no substance, for 60m with basically 12 months left on his contract. Why would Sancho be on the market for 80m this summer, when he has a contract until 2022? Their plan will be to keep him until his contract forces their hand, meaning the summer of 2021.
You're saying he isn't close to the technical ability as Dembele only because Dembele is two footed.
Really not the best indicator. You could say the same about Rooney when he was awful outside of his end product. Fact is, Sanchez having a down season was a common sentiment amongst Arsenal supporters.
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Januzaj didn't burst onto the scene due to a goal. He was fantastic at youth level and his performances as a first teamer that year was more so a case of "of course he did that" due to his talent. Nothing like Macheda.
However, Sancho did much more at first team level so Januzaj isn't a good comparison either.
On the flip side is the risk of him being another Januzaj, albeit he has already shown more, but he is far from a sure thing, hence the bit of chat about needing another year. But the extra year comes with the risk of doubling the cost to £200m. If he stormed it and looked like another Mbappe that would be his price.
Yes that's fair, although Januzaj did score 2 goals on his debut which probably increased the hype.
On a side note I just watched highlights of Adnan at United and christ that kid could run with the ball... maybe the best I've seen at United with Giggs and Ronaldo. Shame his end product and mentality weren't the same level.
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More that his passing, shooting, dribbling, creativity, speed, ability to beat a man aren’t as good as well as the two footed-ness. That’s just my opinion from watching them both though come through.
Is Sancho talented yes, very, but people compare him to Neymar, and act as if he is some huge game changer or would have the influence of say someone getting Mbappe. I don’t see him at that level of talent, but I do think he could possibly be very good just not at the level some seem to think he is destined for.
It's bollocks. Think some amount will go to City as well, so we are likely talking about Pogba figures and above.
There are a few reasons why Dortmund might be convinced to sell at around 80-100, perhaps 120 max with the clauses. 1.) anything can happen in a year, the kid could suffer a serious injury and might never be worth that again. 2.) with that money, they can spend half of it on CHO for a direct replacement thats potentially even better, and still have plenty left over to strengthe other areas. and 3.) while Sanchos been fantastic for them and won them many points, I dont think he is Neymar level just yet, meaning he like everyone else is still expendable and replaceable. 100M is the figure being quoted by most media atm, and its a really good price for a teenager who hasnt even finished his first full season as a pro, and just starting to break into the NT.
I agree with you. 80 with add-ons might do it. But, that it will be an easy deal like we are buying from third rate club won't do it.
We are buying from a club which had more success in Europe then we had in last few years
Dortmund won't bend over. That's all am saying.
Probably from the recent tabloid speculation in sun and the daily mail.
Dortmund will sell.
They will sell for 78m. I have forseen it.
But why would we even be in the top 3 best suitors for him if they do from his perspective? I mean he would have the top clubs in Europe right now after him right? Him being so good.
They are a selling club and thats a lot of fecking money. They cant turn anything in that range down imo.
The only thing is we are one of the few that have a guaranteed starting position for him since we don't own any right sides players at all.
Same reason he left City I guess - playing time. He’d get that here without a doubt, as well as the sort of salary you’d expect from an elite club. It’s the best of both worlds really.
Would they have sold Dembele if he had not gone on a strike? I’m not sure. They usually sell or lose players because of situations related to their contract.
I totally agree with this. He was okay at Wembley, but there was nothing Wow! about him.
Tbf he’s 18 years old and playing for England. He’s allowed to be inconsistent every now and again.
This transfer is no brainier. He will solve the RM of our team and plus 70-100M is a bargain. ED stop wasting time get the deal done now and move on to the next, let’s get our business done early and get ready for next season. come on Utd
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I think we will be getting him this summer and he will cost around £140m.
Hopefully we can negotiate a decent chunk of it to be performance related.
Ed will do it. The potential upside is massive so it's absolutely worth that sort of investment.
Hopefully we can negotiate a decent chunk of it to be performance related.
Ed will do it. The potential upside is massive so it's absolutely worth that sort of investment.
Rashford just followed him on Twitter.
This is going to be a long summer
Too bad Rashford's English
So he’s having a medical at Carrington?
When you consider Ajax are about to sell De Jong and De Ligt (arguably bigger talents than Sancho) for a combined fee of under £150 million then approximately £80 million seems to be the going rate for a top tier talent. I think the Mbappe transfer has skewed perceptions and is an anomaly.
Dembele not Mbappe is the precedent here.
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