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Tue, 02 April 2019

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Ole's biggest test is having the conviction to clear all the deadwood out of this squad.
He's going to have to be ruthless and then bring in quality young players like Rice and Sancho who are hungry and would bring a new energy.
So Ole goes and tells Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Fred, Sanchez, Lukaku, Mata, Young, Bailly that their time is up and they should look for other opportunities and then goes to Woodward and gives him the list.
No prizes for guessing who is getting fired first.
 

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There's a lot of arrogance in this current squad and it showed again today. They took Wolves lightly (again) and they played sloppy. They also seem to think that they can just play it casual when they are up a goal or tied as if they are entitled to win the game without effort. So instead of focussing in the 2nd half they came out flat, go down a man on more sloppy passing and then give up a pathetic own goal. Smalling I thought was decent up until that gaffe own goal but DDG has to be way more aggressive on the cross and get Smalling the hell out of there. Instead he looked kind of like the wimpy DDG when he first started here. We had bad luck today but combined with some really poor no show performances and a lack of urgency it was fatal.
 

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That's two PL games out of 3 in the league that we've somehow contrived to lose.

Better not become a habit
 

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I don’t think we played badly again. We mainly controlled the match apart from a 10 minute spell after they scored.

What it did show though is we lack individual threat especially in wide areas, and the quality in the final ball / move just isn’t good enough to break tricky teams down.

wolves are too rigid for us to break, that’s why we usually do better against teams who like possession.

anyway the red card changed the game, we were pushing for the winner at that point.

We’re going to miss shaw in the next 2 games, what a horrible crap rule that is. 10 yellow cards these days isn’t tricky to pick up at all.
 

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Time to be brutally honest, there are players that are limited squad players who were able to feed off better team members, as that influence declined their shortcomings have become startlingly obvious.

Young is no more than Valencia these days, why was the contract extended ?
Smalling, pretty hit or miss
Lingard, there's a reason to promote youth team players, but he is basically an overpaid squad member.
Pogba, suited to the less physical leagues like Serie A and La Liga, can be invisible when the game becomes tough
Laukaku, strangely a goal scorer when the team players with wingers, perhaps that's the bigger question.
Fred, jury justifiably still out as it can take a season to biome accustomed to the EPL.
Jones, OMG
Matic, useful but ageing and getting slower and not commanding midfield as expected.

DDG, best goal line stopper in the game, not great commanding the air, can't see he's worth what his manager is demanding
Herrera, shouldn't be overpaid, like DDG his mind seems elsewhere.

Rojo and the other fill ins, just seem overpaid and overextended thanks to Woodys negoatioting skills with Sanchez ( oh dear).

Ole needs to be aggressive in the reshaping, and for that to happen Woody needs to be moved far away from decision making

Oh well, on to the next game, can still make a run for the top 4, but the players need to show a lot more desire and grit than we have seen in the last few games.
 

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I genuinely have no clue how after all these years, players like Smalling, Jones, and Young still play for us. It's just pathetic at this point.

Apart from a select few players, we have a horribly mediocre squad. I swear we've been watching the same dross for years now, but somehow the people responsible are blind to how sub-par some of our players are. Young can't cross a ball, the chuckle brothers get one or two good games every 3 months and crap themselves when they face an attacker who's faster than Mata, Lingard just runs, and Lukaku can't control a ball to save his life.

I don't care who the manager is, no one is going to take us to the levels we want to reach as long as we keep these types of players around.
 

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For me, the difference today was the two keepers. sure, everyone can point fingers at Young, but De Gea had 2 shots on goal and they both went in while Patricio made 3 saves on shots that should have been put away by Lukaku, Lingard and McTominay. In fact, this game could have really gotten ugly "if" Lukaku and Lingard do better with their headers. And as ugly as the first goal was, the second goal is the one that is bothering me the most. De Gea has to be more commanding in and around his 6 yard box and he has to grow some balls. That ball should have been easily dealt with but he got spooked. Get down quick and hard and get that ball at any cost. Schmeichel wouldn't have just saved that. He would have taken out Smalling and the Wolves player enroute to the ball...
 

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I'd just like to remind everyone that Woodward briefed the press last summer that there were no available centre-backs better than the ones we currently have, and, if the recent Wheeler story in the Mail is true, still has no plans to buy another centre-back. Yet, mysteriously, Mourinho and Solksjaer felt they had no choice but to play either Young, Herrera, Matic, or McTominay in a back three, all for games we ended up losing.

What does Woodward have to say or do before it becomes obvious to the ownership that having him as chairman of the biggest club on the planet is as absurd as hiring a chimpanzee to pilot a 747? I'm convinced he must have compromising photos of the Glazers or some other dirt on them that makes him unsackable.
 

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Wolves were extremely lucky they didn't get thrashed. We missed absolute sitters and should've been coasting the game until we gifted them a goal. Even with 10 men we took the game to them. I personally was very happy the way Ole set us up for the game and we looked good until Fred's error. Ole impressed me more in this loss than many of our wins against other teams.

Not sure why most of you are so negative when Wolves should've been dead and buried in the first half. Even with 10 men we were the better team.
 

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I'd just like to remind everyone that Woodward briefed the press last summer that there were no available centre-backs better than the ones we currently have, and, if the recent Wheeler story in the Mail is true, still has no plans to buy another centre-back. Yet, mysteriously, Mourinho and Solksjaer felt they had no choice but to play either Young, Herrera, Matic, or McTominay in a back three, all for games we ended up losing.

What does Woodward have to say or do before it becomes obvious to the ownership that having him as chairman of the biggest club on the planet is as absurd as hiring a chimpanzee to pilot a 747? I'm convinced he must have compromising photos of the Glazers or some other dirt on them that makes him unsackable.
Wheeler of the Daily Mail is a serial bullshitter, along with Simon Jones he is the worst.
 

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Ole's biggest test is having the conviction to clear all the deadwood out of this squad.
He's going to have to be ruthless and then bring in quality young players like Rice and Sancho who are hungry and would bring a new energy.
we've been saying this since fecking Moyes. At what point will we accept that its cheaper to keep most of them around than replace them as long as there's a vague narrative for Woodward to spin to kind-of support the decision?

The groundwork is in already for next season. New contracts and comments about not prioritising a CB.

Wake up.

What we've seen for the past few games,is our next 12months. Probably minus Pogba and DDG.
 

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It wasn't as bad as last game against Wolves in the FA cup, but damn you cannot say we played well when we have so many puntual individual errors, missing a couple of sitters, giving away the first goal, the stupid second yellow from Young, the slow react from DDG in the second goal.

Just way too many unforced errors, you can't expect to win a game when you make mistake like those.
 

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Did we rush into making OGS the appointed manager?

Oh and really poor tonight. I’m taking tomorrow off.
No we didn't.

Not his fault the players missed three or four sitters and gave away two stupid goals (their only shots on target in the whole game).

What's Roy Keane doing nowadays? Get him kitted up and out there to provide some fight and leadership, even at his age he's probably still be our best midfielder.
 

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Away to Wolves who have been a thorn in the side of all the clubs in the big 6,a man sent off early in the second half and we are still not entirely out of injury hell. Not a great result but, understandable.
 

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Wolves were extremely lucky they didn't get thrashed. We missed absolute sitters and should've been coasting the game until we gifted them a goal. Even with 10 men we took the game to them. I personally was very happy the way Ole set us up for the game and we looked good until Fred's error. Ole impressed me more in this loss than many of our wins against other teams.

Not sure why most of you are so negative when Wolves should've been dead and buried in the first half. Even with 10 men we were the better team.
What I said too. This and Arsenal game were some of our best games of the seasons from a tactical point of view. Commentator said we had 6/7 attempts 2nd half, they had one man extra and scored with the first attempt. Both results were self inflicted and these margins cost us the wins. We played much worse this season and won some other games.
 
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Away to Wolves who have been a thorn in the side of all the clubs in the big 6,a man sent off early in the second half and we are still not entirely out of injury hell. Not a great result but, understandable.
On the same lines it is kinda understandable to lose to all top 6 teams
 

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What I said too. This and Arsenal game were some of our best games of the seasons from a tactical point of view. Both results were self inflicted and these margins cost us the wins. We played much worse this season and won some other games.
Very true bro..

Tactically Ole set us up perfectly considering we had Rashford and Martial not starting. But I was very pleased to see the way we overwhelmed them in the first half before the the error gifted them a goal. It's a pity we didn't take our chances or the tone on here would've been very different right now. Even with 10 men we were the more threatening team, but sadly it just wasn't our day.
 

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We didn't create that many.
Two gilt edged chances missed in the first half which should've been converted. McTominay also had a good chance in the second half, before we spent the last 30+ mins down to 10 men. Away to Wolves with two starting 11 attackers, either not available or on the bench and we still create 4 very good chances in 60 minutes with 11 players.
 

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I thought you played fine mostly, and should have been 2 or 3 up at halftime.

Both goals were mistakes by DDG unfortunately, unlike him really - the first was the result of a nightmare pass to Fred, no one wants to receive pass with their back to the rest of the pitch just outside the penalty area, his touch was a bit heavy but he should never have been receiving that ball. The second DDG needed to take control when the cross came in.

I think DDG is probably one of the best in the world, but his distribution over the past few seasons has been dodgy, it's surprising because when he first joined Utd his distribution was praised and was a lot better than it is now!

As for Ole, he cant foresee mistakes like this, you were well set up and had plenty of chances, so much better than the FA Cup game, you clearly deserved to win despite going down to 10 men, but meh, that's football for you.

On a positive note McT is growing into a classy midfielder, not just talking about his goal, thought his game all round was good today, you look a better team with him than without him at the moment.
 

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We didn't create that many.
At least 3/4 is enough to win. Lingard, Lukaku sitters. McT header saved 2ND half. The dynamic of the game changes when you take your chance. How many games is it now that lukaku didn't take his chance and we lost? Spurs, Arsenal, Brighton, Wolves..
Coupled with 2 mistake (Wolves created nothing else apart from our gifts- including the red card) we beat ourselves very simply.
 

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I thought you played fine mostly, and should have been 2 or 3 up at halftime.

Both goals were mistakes by DDG unfortunately, unlike him really - the first was the result of a nightmare pass to Fred, no one wants to receive pass with their back to the rest of the pitch just outside the penalty area, his touch was a bit heavy but he should never have been receiving that ball. The second DDG needed to take control when the cross came in.

I think DDG is probably one of the best in the world, but his distribution over the past few seasons has been dodgy, it's surprising because when he first joined Utd his distribution was praised and was a lot better than it is now!

As for Ole, he cant foresee mistakes like this, you were well set up and had plenty of chances, so much better than the FA Cup game, you clearly deserved to win despite going down to 10 men, but meh, that's football for you.

On a positive note McT is growing into a classy midfielder, not just talking about his goal, thought his game all round was good today, you look a better team with him than without him at the moment.
Me and you watched the same game it seems..:D
 

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There’s definitely a bit of a mentality issue with us. This is true for a lot of modern players unfortunately.
That header from Lingard was very telling I thought, he looked so nonchalant as if he expected it to be a goal before it landed on his head, like he was planning his celebration. We missed three sitters.
 

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The club needs a massive clear out, Mata and Herrera are as good as gone, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo and probably Bailly will go too. In my opinion there are three players who think themselves greater than the club, Pogba and De Gea, both need to go if they put club at Ransom, along with Sanchez who is good for nothing enjoying his massive retirement fund.

We can easily replace them all.

Get Alderweireld, along with a massive defender, Someone like Koulibaly or Varane. Get Wan-Bissaka for RB.

If De Gea puts club at ransom for his wage demands and continues to put half hearted performances, sell him too. Nobody should be bigger than the club. I won't even mind Areola as replacement, but ideally we should get Oblak.

For midfield we can get Ndombele or Partey as Herrera replacement. Get Bruno Fernandes for CM position, and one of Neves or Declan Rice if possible. I will still give Fred one more year to prove himself.

We should try everything we can to get Sancho, along with either Ryan Sessegnon or David Brooks. If they are not possible, Nicolas Pepe and Hirving Lozano will be perfect Sanchez and Mata replacements.

Yes, we will need to spend around 200 to 250 million plus, but the club will be free of all deadwood and egos and Ole can have a fresh start with his own team.
 

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Two gilt edged chances missed in the first half which should've been converted. McTominay also had a good chance in the second half, before we spent the last 30+ mins down to 10 men. Away to Wolves with two starting 11 attackers, either not available or on the bench and we still create 4 very good chances in 60 minutes with 11 players.
We created a few very good chances early. There was not much after that really. A good attacking team creates chances throughout the 90 minutes. We've become jammy again creating here and there rather than consistently. The a again a good attacking doesn't have Young and Fred fecking everything up either.
 

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Very true bro..

Tactically Ole set us up perfectly considering we had Rashford and Martial not starting. But I was very pleased to see the way we overwhelmed them in the first half before the the error gifted them a goal. It's a pity we didn't take our chances or the tone on here would've been very different right now. Even with 10 men we were the more threatening team, but sadly it just wasn't our day.
Won't stop people melting down like usual. Ole himself said it was a good performance and we were unlucky in his conference but there's no room for more errors.
 

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We're an inconsistent team with a bunch of less than top quality players. You can't point to one person in the squad and expect a 7/10 performance every game. Perhaps Luke Shaw at the moment but that's it.

Even Pogba who's our best player on his day is horribly inconsistent. And it's the fact that he's not arsed half the time rather than things not working for him which infuriates most of us.
 

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Won't stop people melting down like usual. Ole himself said it was a good performance and we were unlucky in his conference but there's no room for more errors.
Yeah. I was actually really impressed with us after we went down to ten men. Until the goal that is of course.

Suckerpunch of a match. Been weird lately. Winning matches with crap performances and losing matches with good performances.

Aside from Wolves in the Cup of course. Got exactly what we deserved there.

Onwards and upwards though. I liked the performance and the tactics. I just wanna see some ruthlessness from Ole toward a couple of players. My only gripe.
 

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The summer is very important. We've got a good squad but it's been not been built to be the team everybody wants us to be. All of us want to watch a stylish attacking team that pins teams like wolves down and bosses the game. Is that really going to happen with the front three we had today ? Make shift right winger. A CF unsuited to playing the way a top team should. Fred who wets himself at every opportunity and Jose somehow spent 50 million on, and Mctominay who is a drafter. Then you have Ashley Young who I refuse to believe plays for Manchester United.

I've always maintained that we have a good squad but with different managers, it appears to have little identity and definitely not one that suits the team we want us to be. So the best thing Ole can do is everything needed in order for us to become (half become) that team. If he's okay with grafters filling up places, he's going to get that sort of football. If he wants to fulfill the talk at the start about this being United and we dominate, then he needs to molde the team in such a manner.

So yeah, needs to get the transfer business right. And of course tactically we need a lot of work.
 

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One could put forward the notion that the real knee jerkers were the ones who were clamouring for Ole to be made permanent, was always a massive risk given his CV and the enormity of the rebuilding job at hand.

I hope he gets the funds to get the players that he wants but we're not looking as enticing a prospect to targets without CL football, which is looking very unlikely now. Why would Sancho leave Dortmund to play in a lesser competition next season for example?
 

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There is only so much Ole can do with this squad, too many of these players are average. You could probably have Pep in and the result would have been the same.

Major reinforcements need to be done, this is the most important summer, we need to get it right, or else we are going to be in a bad cycle however with Woodward at the helm then I don't know, I'm kinda feeling nervous about it all.
 

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Yeah. I was actually really impressed with us after we went down to ten men. Until the goal that is of course.

Suckerpunch of a match. Been weird lately. Winning matches with crap performances and losing matches with good performances.

Aside from Wolves in the Cup of course. Got exactly what we deserved there.

Onwards and upwards though. I liked the performance and the tactics. I just wanna see some ruthlessness from Ole toward a couple of players. My only gripe.
I thought they were going to attack us after the red card but we looked very comfortable and if anything closer to the winner.
Agree too on the players. I think his changes to freshen up the midfield was a good move so obviously he wasn't happy with Saturday-
Hes very ruthless if he's not happy you can see it on his face at the bench. He said the wolves cup was the worst since he came . The team was clearly set up differently this time and to attack with intent from the first whistle of both halves. unfortunately we didn't finish our dinner.
I think he should trust the likes of Dalot, McT, Fred/Periera with extended games instead of Young, Matic,Herrera etc. At least till the end of the season. Drop DDG too and play Romero. We don't have much to lose and I'd rather give these players the minutes until we reach the summer for a rebuild.
 

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We really missed Rashford tonight. He would have scored some of those chances. We've turned back into donkeys again. I reckon it's a crafty ruse to deceive Barcelona.
 

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and a very different one to the one everyone in the match thread saw!
Which really isn't a surprise tbh. But it's good to see a neutral fan like yourself give a true reflection of the game, when many on here have lost the plot.
 

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Can you imagine having Ronaldo take that lukaku, Scott and Jesse header chances? We’d be talking about a 5-1 win here tonight.

We need players to take their chances. Good players tend to do that more often for you
 

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