Eriku
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And I thought average intelligence has always been set at 100, and that bar has been raised as nutrition and education have seen IQs rise?
He's a loon but probably not wrong about IQ decline. If you consider what the geniuses 100 years ago managed to discover and invent compared with the knowledge of the time.So... he’s arguing that modern day scientists are stupid and that we ought to listen to consensus from the 1800s, which doesn’t mention climate change? Or am I missing something?
Stefan’s a loon.
I’d say that is because of the vast networks of expertise we now have in the sciences. Back in Newton’s et al’s day there just wasn’t that many people doing it and they had limited networks in which to cooperate, making it more common for individuals to make more significant advancements.He's a loon but probably not wrong about IQ decline. If you consider what the geniuses 100 years ago managed to discover and invent compared with the knowledge of the time.
Fast forward to now and our best geniuses maybe aren't quite so impressive.
We just landed a man-made object on a comet, drove a little car around on Mars, and have taken actual photographs of planets in orbits around other stars. But even if we hadn't, he still absolutely is wrong about IQ decline.He's a loon but probably not wrong about IQ decline. If you consider what the geniuses 100 years ago managed to discover and invent compared with the knowledge of the time.
Fast forward to now and our best geniuses maybe aren't quite so impressive.
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Indeed. Average IQ scores have been increasing in all countries since the turn of the twentieth century (the Flynn effect). This is most likely a result of better health/nutrition, better/more education and rising living standards.We just landed a man-made object on a comet, drove a little car around on Mars, and have taken actual photographs of planets in orbits around other stars. But even if we hadn't, he still absolutely is wrong about IQ decline.
Also because human groups are increasingly less decompartmentalized from one another, where information sharing is significantly greater due to technology.Indeed. Average IQ scores have been increasing in all countries since the turn of the twentieth century (the Flynn effect). This is most likely a result of better health/nutrition, better/more education and rising living standards.
https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence
Heh, plateaus are to be expected. And there is often significant lag. Quantum theory didn’t translate into computers right away, and computers didn’t become ubiquitous and transformative until way later. Who knows what today’s scientists are birthing?He's a loon but probably not wrong about IQ decline. If you consider what the geniuses 100 years ago managed to discover and invent compared with the knowledge of the time.
Fast forward to now and our best geniuses maybe aren't quite so impressive.
I've met Musk and agree with everyone else that he is the smartest guy on the planet.
If that's the case then there's a very simple solution - don't watch/listen to it."Internet goon" would be an extremely kind way of describing Shapiro. Rogan's soft peddling with such goons is the second biggest problem with his show, the first being that he himself is a meathead.
Or...you could try to organise a boycott.
Me not "watching" Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a solution to the problems with Joe Rogan's podcast. He doesn't become a less stupid person once I stop paying attention.If that's the case then there's a very simple solution - don't watch it.
Its a bit more than vaguely interesting given that its one of the most listened to podcasts online.Me not "watching" Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a solution to the problems with Joe Rogan's podcast. He doesn't become a less stupid person once I stop paying attention.
Besides, the problems with Rogan and his podcast don't always stop it from being vaguely interesting. Though another chat with a shitehawk like Shapiro definitely doesn't fall into that category.
Meh, popularity and quality aren't neccessarily the same thing.Its a bit more than vaguely interesting given that its one of the most listened to podcasts online.
We weren't evaluating its quality, but the fact that its one of the most listened to podcasts in the world sort of makes it hard to say it isn't interesting.Meh, popularity and quality aren't neccessarily the same thing.
It really depends on the guest. Some can carry a few hours of Rogan's super-compliant approach while others can't. For example, the second Jack Dorsey podcast was a lot more interesting than the first because there was someone else in the room willing to take a more aggressive line. Rogan isn't capable of doing that, which in one way is fine but in another limits what he can get out of some guests.
In the case of people like Shapiro and Peterson, we've been saturated with their ideas and arguments over the last few years. Sitting through another conversation with the eager-to-please Rogan would be a chore.
These 'problems' only exist in the minds of a small minority.Me not "watching" Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a solution to the problems with Joe Rogan's podcast. He doesn't become a less stupid person once I stop paying attention.
'Shitehawk' ...I haven't heard that in a while. Are you from Norn Iron?Besides, the problems with Rogan and his podcast don't always stop it from being at least vaguely interesting. Some of them are worth listening to despite Rogan's presence. Though another chat with a shitehawk like Shapiro definitely doesn't fall into that category.
No but it would solve the problem of it annoying you. Just do something else and live in ignorance, it’s great.Me not "watching" Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a solution to the problems with Joe Rogan's podcast. He doesn't become a less stupid person once I stop paying attention.
Besides, the problems with Rogan and his podcast don't always stop it from being at least vaguely interesting. Some of them are worth listening to despite Rogan's presence. Though another chat with a shitehawk like Shapiro definitely doesn't fall into that category.
Sometimes giving guests a few hours to chat about whatever they like unchallenged can end up being interesting, it just depends on the guest. I don't particularly like Rogan but with the right guest the longform format still works.These 'problems' only exist in the minds of a small minority.
Also, I don't understand why anyone would would watch/listen to a podcast hosted by someone they deem a stupid person.
Nah, Connacht. Was just thinking I should use that word more. Can't beat the classics.'Shitehawk' ...I haven't heard that in a while. Are you from Norn Iron?
Fair enough. I think much of the popularity lies with the long-form format itself. The mainstream media outlets haven't provided an outlet or platform for such discussions in a long time and the burgeoning popularity of particular podcasts and YouTube channels therefore just satisfies a desire that never went away. Ultimately they'll serve as a kind of counteracting agent; to rebalance what has been the prevailing view presented in the mainstream outlets.Sometimes giving guests a few hours to chat about whatever they like unchallenged can end up being interesting, it just depends on the guest. I don't particularly like Rogan but with the right guest the longform format still works.
I thought it was just Northern thing. Perhaps Cork as well.Nah, Connacht. Was just thinking I should use that word more. Can't beat the classics.
You're hysterical. Then he has a socialist on, doesn't push back, and the loonies on the right call him "A COMMUNIST APOLOGIST".Tweet
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Good post until the last bit. Rogan does take positions on things he cares about - hunting, weed, DMT, etc.You're hysterical. Then he has a socialist on, doesn't push back, and the loonies on the right call him "A COMMUNIST APOLOGIST".
The guy is an impartial interviewer. It's honestly a breath of fresh air. Not everything has to be editorialized. Not everything has to be politicized. Not everyone has to push an agenda. I think Shapiro is a horrible little manlet, yet, I have zero problem with Rogan having him on, because when he has people like Shapiro on, he also has people like Abby Martin on, he has far left people on. You know what else? The only people I've ever seen him push back on, are Candice Owens, Dave Rubin, and Steven Crowder. He called them out on their bullshit, over things he had specific knowledge over.
Rogans job isn't to push YOUR political ideology. His job is to put on a podcast, with a wide variety of guests, and that includes people on the far left, and the far right. IF any one group should feel aggrieved, it is the right wingers, when Rogan took a giant shit on 3 of their poster boys/girls making them look like massive idiots. He's never done that to a leftie. Yet, for the most part, his position is to not have a position. He's the Switzerland of Podcasts.
hmm, your post reads a lot more hysterical than mine. in that 2 minute clip alone "you're a very nice guy", "you're so misrepresented", "you're not remotely alt right" "agree or disagree you have well formulated ideas, this isnt just some bullshit that youre spouting" "i dont like when people try to pretend that your [ben shapiro] philosophy is somehow hateful and regressive" "i dont like when people say you condemn people for their thoughts...you just dont"You're hysterical. Then he has a socialist on, doesn't push back, and the loonies on the right call him "A COMMUNIST APOLOGIST".
The guy is an impartial interviewer. It's honestly a breath of fresh air. Not everything has to be editorialized. Not everything has to be politicized. Not everyone has to push an agenda. I think Shapiro is a horrible little manlet, yet, I have zero problem with Rogan having him on, because when he has people like Shapiro on, he also has people like Abby Martin on, he has far left people on. You know what else? The only people I've ever seen him push back on, are Candice Owens, Dave Rubin, and Steven Crowder. He called them out on their bullshit, over things he had specific knowledge over.
Rogans job isn't to push YOUR political ideology. His job is to put on a podcast, with a wide variety of guests, and that includes people on the far left, and the far right. IF any one group should feel aggrieved, it is the right wingers, when Rogan took a giant shit on 3 of their poster boys/girls making them look like massive idiots. He's never done that to a leftie. Yet, for the most part, his position is to not have a position. He's the Switzerland of Podcasts.
They're the exact same thing depending on who you listen to.What makes Shapiro "alt-right" and not just a traditional conservative?
He's generally a conservative but the fact that he was affiliated with Breitbart and is young, put him in the perceived alt-right category.What makes Shapiro "alt-right" and not just a traditional conservative?
He's also young and has some social media savvy, and so eschews the typical idea of the older, stuffy and out-of-date conservative.He's generally a conservative but the fact that he was affiliated with Breitbart and is young, put him in the perceived alt-right category.
Good point. I should've thought of that.
Yeah, everyone knows you're not allowed in their club if you're over 5 foot 5.I would think many alt-rightists would reject Ben Shapiro because he's Jewish. He's always struck me as more traditionally conservative. He's just belligerent, rude, short, obnoxious and racist too. Which may be why people associate him with the alt-right.
What makes Shapiro "alt-right" and not just a traditional conservative?