This is absolutely right. The right-wing tabloids love running those stupid stories about the EU and the shape of bananas, the EU and British chocolate, the EU and cheese varieties etc etc. These things are very familiar to people and it's easy to get folk worked-up over a bit of fake or inaccurate news.
No, it's not a good enough response. A good response is repeatedly calling them stupid whilst hitting them in the face with a shovel.
And the scary thing is drooling halfwits like this are allowed a vote.
Well said.
It doesn't taste the same to me personally. Mars bars got smaller but the taste is still there at least.
Indeed. A central problem within the Remain campaign was that, in Cameron, it was essentially being led by someone who only half-heartedly believed in the EU at best, and whose enthusiasm for remaining was hard to believe considering he'd become one of its most prominent critics while in power.
A well thought out summary.
I dunno, a lot of what he's saying is fair and reasonable, but a lot of the issues we're now facing were well-established at the time of the referendum and should have been obvious to anyone who did some stringent research. I get the impression we'll increasingly see more and more Leave voices coming out and disavowing themselves from the cause in a desperate attempt to spare themselves of any intellectual embarrassment. Even though the flaws underlying the whole process have now been evident for a considerable period of time.
Still. Better to come around late than to double down....
That's true, of course, and it does serve as a somewhat reasonable indicator that a significant number of Brexiteers aren't absolutists who want to burn the country down to the ground, but I'm wary we'll start to see the media fawning over such types who've come to their senses. No doubt Chuka and his buddies will be praising their immense bravery before long.
Agreed, point well made.
Doesn't he actually say Muslamic rape gangs? Still a complete and utter arsehole, but I thought that's what I heard through his drivel.
Yeah, good read. Refreshing, too. Makes you wonder what proportion of Brexiteers are just too abashed to do admit to having changed their minds.
Not a bad read but does include an old and outdated idea that Britain has had no control over immigration due to the EU (references May as Home Sec wanting to 'do something about it but couldn't'). That's just bollocks - it's simply not in their interest to stop/manage immigration.
Muslamic ray guns, I think you'll find.
Can you really be taken to court for a sign that says feck the EU when the speaker of the house drives a car (his wife's) with a sticker saying bollocks to brexit?
He did but because of his accent and poor diction it sounded a bit like ray guns and became the joke.
Yeah deffo. Seen a lot of excuses being made from leave voters. Someone in my own family said they think they're sabotaging it purposely because they never wanted to leave. My reply was that it's just a mess and we could see that it would be a mess before we voted because there was never any plan. I literally told them this and that they're being lied to before they voted but they still act like it's something they didn't expect. Up until recently they'd occasionally drop some random positive story or quip about leaving, nicely ignoring the ever growing trainwreck and always ignoring how those who are going to be out of pocket if we leave (and already are) are us.
Everyone's talking about it in real life, everyone is talking about it on the internet, and so so many of them look incredibly stupid, yet we're asked how we know what kind of people had a massive influence on this result.
It looks that way, although they say it's after repeated polite requests to take it down. The interesting part is that the individual in question commented on the post from the police which instantly got huge attraction and his post was then deleted. Only his, though. Proof of which has popped up elsewhere on local pages and now everyone's getting whipped up against the Police and the EU.
No, I can’t agree that leaving the EU isn’t a solution to that problem because the “problem” has two parts: both EU and Non-EU immigration. Control only one and you aren’t controlling both.
There was already a court case that decided that the word Bollocks is not obsene, whereas feck obviously is. https://www.bollockstobrexit.com/censoring-the-bollocks/
They've been saying this since 2010 though but they have no actual plans to do anything about it because demonising immigrants wins them votes.
Yes they're saying the things that they're expected to say while doing the opposite. We can agree to disagree on whether their actions betray their words, because that's beside the point.
Yes I know they have been saying XYZ for a while, but the government aren’t totally stupid, even though it seems so at the moment. They know that 2016 referendum was also something of a public opinion poll on immigration. So, post Brexit, I’d expect these “changes” to have some effect. If not, everybody is free to change vote accordingly next time out aren’t they?
Yeah PRE-Brexit. Sure. Maybe they didn't expect the referendum result, therefore underestimating depth of feeling pre-Brexit. They know now.
Does the upheaval, the effects on the economy and people's lives, etc. not factor into your thinking at all? Doesn't seem so...
Environment & sustainability > economic growth.
By default, that means leaving the EU does not solve your problem. It might indirectly contribute to a growing movement of anti-immigration sentiment that the government eventually cave into, and it'll make it easier to administer as a result of having a set of immigration laws applicable to everyone (except British territories presumably).
Already said EU/Non-EU immigration aren’t mutually exclusive?
We've never steered the Earth into the sun but I don't need historical data to know it's a fecking bad idea.
Even though we don't have to leave the EU or take a hit to the economy to address either of those issues? In fact, there are better ways.
Ultimately if you live in a highly globalised world it's hard to reduce immigration numbers significantly without damaging your economy, which will - in some sectors - often depend on a steady flow of migrants to fill certain roles within the economy.
I'm not sure what you mean. Non-EU immigration has a bigger impact on overall immigration levels than EU immigration levels. The government are in control of Non-EU immigration levels, and throughout that time have not reduced those numbers. They have chosen not to. Leaving the EU will not make it any easier to do so. These are all facts.
Unsurprising Oborne didn’t publish this article in his Mail column.
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