Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?

[shamans]

He was totally wrong.

Yes there is a lack of quality but how stupid can people be not to realize Mourinho has a massive hand in that.

For 3 years he has signed garbage players for twice the price. And with the few decent players he did have, he suffered a falling out. It's a managers job to manage the players well.

Mourinho was an utter failure who wanted to make excuses. He was getting tactically outsmarted on the regular and failing miserably in the transfer market.

We had more quality in raw talent under LVG than Mou. He ruined us..

 

[roonster09]

People complaining about width, build up and transitions and sit there scratching their ass wondering why we have these problems. Yes Perisic would have made us a better team. Actually watch how he operates across the whole length of the pitch and his qualities in all three phases of attack.

This is pisstake now. Actually you should watch how poor he is in most aspects of the game.

 

[vanderpants]

Yes he was right but didn’t do much to fix the problems

 

[roonster09]

Oh trust me, everything I have been saying about Martial for two years, people are starting to agree with. The excuse of Jose is now gone for Anthony.

It's about Perisic. Your posts makes it so obvious you don't watch him play at all.

 

[beingshe7don]

Mourinho wasn't right but he wasn't entirely wrong either. We do have a crap squad but then again, he was responsible for bringing some of these players to this squad. Fellaini (contract extension), Matic, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Fred, and Sanchez were all his doing.

When we could have had Fabinho, he went for Matic
When we could have had Mahrez, he went for Sanchez since we needed a RW.
When we could have had Ndombele, he went for Fred
When we could have had a RW, he went for Mkhitaryan (who operates mostly central)
When we could have had a ST with a better first touch and is able to hold the ball, he went and sanctioned a move for Lukaku.

Bailly was actually fine, not sure what's happened to him.

All these players are all deadwood FC and will take about 3 to 4 years or even more to offload them.

And I'll leave the discussion on the style of play for another day.

 

[roonster09]

Imagine complaining about lack of quality after you yourself have spent 2.5 years building the squad. And then proceeding to exacerbate the problem with your tactics and coaching.
We are also still feeling the effects of his diabolical training methods which has left us severely unconditioned for the most critical phase of our season.

Mourinho's opinion is worthless and irrevelant.

Exactly.

 

[shamans]

Absolute and utter garbage, hang your head in shame posting such laughable, sensationalist drivel.

A 'terrible manager' who won a European final, a League Cup, F.A Cup runner up and finished 2nd just last season, above Liverpool and Tottenham...

If OGS achieved even half of that you'd be heralding him as a success.

And then using Mourinho to excuse the current manager from any present / future failings. Pathetic stuff.

Mourinho needed to go - he made it so that he had to after he was hung out to dry by Woodward and he lost the dressing room.

But he won trophies here, and he kept us above Liverpool - he is our most successful manager post SAF.

And if Mourinho had received VVD rather than Klopp, we'd be above Liverpool still - albeit playing rubbish football.

All hail Mourinho the champion of our second place finish!

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

He was right, but he wasn't the man to fix it. He arguably had the skillset to make it worse.

 

[Canagel]

Perisic and Willian .I thought we were done with this. Yes willian with his 3 goals will have made the difference.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

This is pisstake now. Actually you should watch how poor he is in most aspects of the game.

You are clueless. Clearly Perisic was the player to reach the level of City and Liverpool. Look at him in all phases of the pitch!

All hail Mourinho the champion of our second place finish!

He were almost there!

 

[roonster09]

Perisic and Willian .I thought we were done with this.

Imagine trying to support your argument with these 2 duds.

 

[Greck]

Fellowship of the Mourinhans. The man is responsible for the state of the team. He doesn't somehow become right for disowning a problem when he created it

 

[EireRed_GS]

He was right, but he wasn't the man to fix it. He arguably had the skillset to make it worse.

Arguably? he 100% took all the problems already there and made them a whole lot worse. The man was a virus

 

[roonster09]

You are clueless. Clearly Perisic was the player to reach the level of City and Liverpool. Look at him in all phases of the pitch!

He were almost there!

Yeah. Apparently he defends like Azpi, dribbles like Messi, crosses like Beckham.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Imagine trying to support your argument with these 2 duds.

That's the issue with Mourinho. His solution to the problem on the wings is to A) complain about who we have and B) Aim at players like William and Perisic.

Contrast that was the class of player Klopp looked to get - Mane and Salah.

Not to mention his poor tactical set up which didn't fit a club like United.

 

[haram]

When it comes to a player people like, another manager will get more out of them. Suggest that Mourinho would get more out of certain players and people start scrambling. Now there are people that want to suddenly sell Martial as well.

That's the issue with Mourinho. His solution to the problem on the wings is to A) complain about who we have and B) Aim at players like William and Perisic.

Contrast that was the class of player Klopp looked to get - Mane and Salah.

Not to mention his poor tactical set up which didn't fit a club like United.

Mane and Salah are different types of players. I think football can be played in different ways and of course different types of players can flourish. I don't have a problem if Jose wanted to go in that direction but I understand why he wanted to go in another.

 

[JPRouve]

Yeah. Apparently he defends like Azpi, dribbles like Messi, crosses like Beckham.

He is an older version of Lingard. I know that you know but I have to say it.

 

[Buster15]

The players Mourinho wanted - Maguire, Perisic, Willian - would all leave us in a worse spot.

He is a large part of the reason we are where we are.

Guy is a clown.

Can't agree with any of that.
Those signings would have added much needed quality to the squad.
Yes both Willian and Pursic are getting on but he was under immense pressure to get results so it is understandable that he would want such players to buy time to resolve the other problems.

Yes he was part of the problem but certainly not a large part because things only deteriorated in the early part of this season.
We did finish 2nd last year remember.
And lastly, a man with his brilliant record can hardly be classified as a clown.
Only another clown would suggest that l.

 

[roonster09]

He is an older version of Lingard. I know that you know but I have to say it.

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At least Lingard is not a dick. This guy is second biggest cnut in that Inter dressing room.

 

[roonster09]

That's the issue with Mourinho. His solution to the problem on the wings is to A) complain about who we have and B) Aim at players like William and Perisic.

Contrast that was the class of player Klopp looked to get - Mane and Salah.

Not to mention his poor tactical set up which didn't fit a club like United.

Exactly. He might be correct about squad quality (better then how they played under him) but he is one of the big reason for the mess. The solution for the mess is to sign even more shit players.

 

[Dinghy]

He recognized the problem and was well on his way to make it worse. Fecking fraud of a United-manager.

 

[Canagel]

Imagine trying to support your argument with these 2 duds.

Willian is just a glorified Lingard. Perisic has some delivery quality but nowhere near the quality we aspire for and not to make a difference to the extent some fans were making out.

 

[haram]

Yeah. Apparently he defends like Azpi, dribbles like Messi, crosses like Beckham.

That's not what I said at all. For a team that is heavily reliant on Pogba for transitions, players who are comfortable being in a deeper position apposed to a forward like Martial for example would make more sense for the team. Not that I am disregarding Martial's qualities, but focusing more on what the team needed.

 

[haram]

Willian is just a glorified Lingard. Perisic has some delivery quality but nowhere near the quality we aspire for and not to make a difference to the extent some fans were making out.

Lingard and Willian are nothing alike. Willian is strong in transition which is why he would be useful in this team. Lingard is a number 10 anyway.

 

[roonster09]

That's not what I said at all. For a team that is heavily reliant on Pogba for transitions, players who are comfortable being in a deeper position apposed to a forward like Martial for example would make more sense for the team. Not that I am disregarding Martial's qualities, but focusing more on what the team needed.

Perisic is not the solution. Watch few full games and you will understand.

 

[roonster09]

Willian is just a glorified Lingard. Perisic has some delivery quality but nowhere near the quality we aspire for and not to make a difference to the extent some fans were making out.

He is not improvement on Martial. He has been average since 2017-18 season.

 

[haram]

Perisic is not the solution. Watch few full games and you will understand.

I have watched full games and understand fully what Jose wanted Perisic for. I even made a thread on Perisic when I was in the newbies. He should have been signed over 2 years ago.

 

[Buster15]

Absolute and utter garbage, hang your head in shame posting such laughable, sensationalist drivel.

A 'terrible manager' who won a European final, a League Cup, F.A Cup runner up and finished 2nd just last season, above Liverpool and Tottenham...

If OGS achieved even half of that you'd be heralding him as a success.

And then using Mourinho to excuse the current manager from any present / future failings. Pathetic stuff.

Mourinho needed to go - he made it so that he had to after he was hung out to dry by Woodward and he lost the dressing room.

But he won trophies here, and he kept us above Liverpool - he is our most successful manager post SAF.

And if Mourinho had received VVD rather than Klopp, we'd be above Liverpool still - albeit playing rubbish football.

Completely agree.
For Mourinho, winning is everything even if the standard of football is not that exciting.
Football is a results business and he is judged by his results.
As with his first job at Chelsea, winning came first and then the standard of football improved. But it improved as a result of the winning mentality.

 

[Robbie Boy]

@haram still stinking the place out with his pro-Mourinho agenda.

Also, Perisic

 

[Ban]

I wanted Perišić but he's in terrible form and even when he's not he's hot and cold in Inter and I think fans are not exactly happy with him cause of that.
Anyway Ed thought players Jose wanted are not good enough to buy. Who's to say he won't do the same to Ole?

 

[haram]

@haram still stinking the place out with his pro-Mourinho agenda.

Also, Perisic

Mourinho is gone. It's anti-Woodward.

 

[PepsiCola]

Mourinho apologists are a tiresome bunch.

If not for him absolutely self-destructing in the first half of the season, we'd be comfortably 3rd.

He was lucky to finish 2nd last season. Spurs are spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea were both terrible and Liverpool shifted focus on the CL. Everyone could tell Klopp's Liverpool were a better side, and it's showing this season.

A good summer to improve player's fitness and bring in much needed additions and we'll soon forget about who was right and wrong.

And at caping for fecking Perisic and Willian.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

He was right when talking about the lack of quality and commitment we have.
He ultimately couldn't fix it though, so he needed to go.

Definitely. He was reportedly blocked from signing an experienced central defender, which we could do with, but you can't help thinking his attempts to rebuild the squad would have lumbered us with even more expensive old misfits than we have now. I'm sure he's right about a few things, but so is a broken clock. He wasn't the man to take us forwards.

 

[PepsiCola]

I wanted Perišić but he's in terrible form and even when he's not he's hot and cold in Inter and I think fans are not exactly happy with him cause of that.
Anyway Ed thought players Jose wanted are not good enough to buy. Who's to say he won't do the same to Ole?

In Mourinho's case, he was right to turn down the idea of swapping Willian with Martial, paying over the odds for Perisic and 80 million on Maguire.

I'm sure Ole will identify more suitable targets. Talk of Wan-Bissaka, Sancho and Rice already have me much more optimistic.

 

[haram]

Definitely. He was reportedly blocked from signing an experienced central defender, which we could do with, but you can't help thinking his attempts to rebuild the squad would have lumbered us with even more expensive old misfits than we have now. I'm sure he's right about a few things, but so is a broken clock. He wasn't the man to take us forwards.

Majority of he signing made under Jose were 25 or younger. There isn't anything wrong having a mix of signing younger and older players. Jose doesn't care about the age, it's the mentality that bothers him, which is why he gave Scott chances.

 

[Ban]

In Mourinho's case, he was right to turn down the idea of swapping Willian with Martial, paying over the odds for Perisic and 80 million on Maguire.

I'm sure Ole will identify more suitable targets. Talk of Wan-Bissaka, Sancho and Rice already have me much more optimistic.

He renewed Jose contract yet didn't buy players Jose wanted. Classic silly Ed. We wouldn't have been any worse with Willian seeing Martial now. Ok Willian is older and his legs would fall of but not much of a difference quality wise. Ed didn't want to buy Toby either. Cause apparently he's not better than Mike and Jones.

 

[roonster09]

I have watched full games and understand fully what Jose wanted Perisic for. I even made a thread on Perisic when I was in the newbies. He should have been signed over 2 years ago.

In the transfer mess if there is one thing we did perfect, it was not signing Perisic, at least with benefit of hindsight.

 

[haram]

Of course if you don't want to back the manager, why did you give him an extension and why did you not just sack him? At that point you are just planning for failure.

In the transfer mess if there is one thing we did perfect, it was not signing Perisic, at least with benefit of hindsight.

Except he would have helped this team far more than Martial would.

 

[Robbie Boy]

In the transfer mess if there is one thing we did perfect, it was not signing Perisic, at least with benefit of hindsight.

Christ, imagine being stuck with a bang average, deteriorating player on mega money. We have enough of those. Thank feck that tosser Mourinho is gone so we don’t have to be linked with shite like Perisic and Willian.

 

[roonster09]

Of course if you don't want to back the manager, why did you give him an extension and why did you not just sack him? At that point you are just planning for failure.



Except he would have helped this team far more than Martial would.

Nonsense. He is stinking up the place at Inter week in week out.. Luckily not our problem.