mitchmouse
loves to hate United.
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time for his career to continue at another club...
I totally agree. Ed Woodward's effectively our director of football and it shows the lack of understanding of the glazers for that to be allowed to happen. It' clearly him who dominates transfer dealings for instance because when we sack a manager it doesn't significantly alter our transfer targets. He's the one handing out huge contracts to average players or young players who are far from the finished article and extensions to fringe players on big wages most clubs would be looking to move on. And there's no possibility of change because his is the only voice in the glazers' ear when it comes to why the club is failing. There was a shot of him with friends watching the west ham game and they were all shaking their heads in annoyance. Obviously solskjaer's going to be the next sacrificial lamb to Woodward's face saving.Just a guess:
We ain't same level in recruiting top class players in their prime like Barcelona Madrid, even paying stupid for players like PSG, so after every good period, the motivation can't be kept. However, when introducing competition, due to managers are not fully 100% full control, and there is no public expectation from fan base like Madrid Barcelona booing underperforming good players; our players find it easier to hide. Adding a football illiterate man at the top of power giving questionable extensions to manager, players sending wrong messages, creating this confusion around the club. And somehow this person ain't accounted for failure.
Barcelona board runs their as off to correct things around election. Perez was kicked out one and their managers help the team progress are under constant pressure. They all make mistake, but they are accounted for their doing so they're forced/ motivated to not stand still.
In short, our team is he reflection of the man with the most executive power at the club at he moment.
Disagree on Suarez, he was really good at Ajax and constantly linked with big sides, including ourselves for a good couple of years before Liverpool took the chance on him.....and he was an instant hit and world class at Liverpool, pretty much at the age Martial is now. DOnt think its a good comparison anyway, Martials age and fee, was more a Rooney or Mbappe type transfer....aprt from him not being household name....thing is, I think we are both agreeing he really hasnt been good enough, only difference being I still think he is wasted on the left and would have more chance of being a success up front than on the leftMany young talent, wonder boys ended up with so so career. Football is not just about early bird. Someone like Luis Suarez who reached top level later achieved a level above many wasted former young talents. For example, Luis Suarez at his best is better than Anelka had ever displayed who was at one time second most expensive player,in the world just behind then already best player award Ronaldo. Anelka however couldn't be denied that in raw talent term is on same par with the best forwards of his generation.
Dembele, Coutinho cost like double to triple Martial fee and can still be on the bench. Barcelona bought Malcom when they don't really need him for similar fee to what we paid for Martial. Fee means nothing. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work.
The no 9 position is there to be taken. Martial had been tried, and passed by not just one managers . I'd already touched on Martial first season for us. Remember how in the end, LVG kept Rashford as no.9 with Martial as left side forward. So even LVG ain't 100% following through with Martial is dead on central forward line of thinking. This whole thing is more wishful thinking than anything.
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Was Young really being targeted like one of the poster said? If Martial had to defend for Young and relative position show it's mostly against Sergio Roberto, then how come Martial covered so little ground when his mark supposed to be a full back pushing up the pitch?
I remember him at Monaco as a teenager, playing against us with Trezeguet...bad memories haha. I made the comparison only in simple terms, electric pace, technically good, but just doesnt look right to me out wide, as apart from cutting inside the end product isnt there....like you mention of Henry at Juventus.....wasteful.This whole comparison to Henry is a proven old cliche.
I doubted half of the people who make this comparison watched Henry played for Monaco, let alone few games at Juventus.
For starter, Henry never lacks effort. Always running at defenders. Problem? He was deemed as wasteful by at the time a very pragmatic Ancelotti. Remember that Serie A was top league at the time, and game was at high stake, often with small margin for error.
If old Ligue 1 or Serie A games are hard to find, try to find France 98 game. If anything, young Henry uses his pace more like Rashford than Martial. And in that France team, he played in wide area more than in the central position, too. What's more? He also operated on right wing for fair share of his minutes.
He went to Liverpool for a reason. And he didn't hit the road running at Liverpool. He was only really entering that level toward his last couple years with Liverpool where he elevated the team and his departure alone means trouble. Prior to that Liverpool cope well with his absence like when he was suspended re Evera incident.Disagree on Suarez, he was really good at Ajax and constantly linked with big sides, including ourselves for a good couple of years before Liverpool took the chance on him.....and he was an instant hit and world class at Liverpool, pretty much at the age Martial is now. DOnt think its a good comparison anyway, Martials age and fee, was more a Rooney or Mbappe type transfer....aprt from him not being household name....thing is, I think we are both agreeing he really hasnt been good enough, only difference being I still think he is wasted on the left and would have more chance of being a success up front than on the left
Serie A was the top league and talents were in abundance. Getting players from Serie A could prove to be profitable just like the trend of purchasing Madrid, Barcelona out cast: Pique, Cesc, Thiago, Robben, Snejder... you get the idea.I remember him at Monaco as a teenager, playing against us with Trezeguet...bad memories haha. I made the comparison only in simple terms, electric pace, technically good, but just doesnt look right to me out wide, as apart from cutting inside the end product isnt there....like you mention of Henry at Juventus.....wasteful.
Arsenal must have loved Serie A, Rioch getting Berkamp and then Wenger Henry and Viera
This is it in a nutshell. Much better technical ability and finishing than any of our other forwards. He’s also the only one who has any idea how to head the ball. He needs another proper run upfront before we give up on him.If he was playing striker for us now he's be on 20+ goals already this season. He's already proved when playing striker that he's good enough for the Premier league. Out wide not so much
Reminds me of Arshavin.I’ve a horrible feeling he’s a textbook Arsenal player.
These things are fantasy to Martial. His first reaction if his coach told him to do that will be "eh?".
Sums him up really.Great ability, occasionally brilliant, often poor.
Id be happy to see him swoped for a more consistant left sided winger attacker.
What? The man has scored three headers in his entire career. Where do people get this shite from?He’s also the only one who has any idea how to head the ball.
What’s elite about him?One of our only elite talents, if Ole is happy with him then we should persist. Some talents you can't buy - if you wait for someone to be established like de ligt then we can't compete for them
Martial should be utilised as a False 9 in my opinion - it addresses his own 'habits as a player' of dropping deep from a forward position to get the ball to his feet and then take on the central defence or make a short pass to someone else.Jury is out on Martial as a ST, he needs to be played in a different setup to take advantage of his speed and finishing. No way in hell he should be played on the left wing, even if that's where he had a few glimpses of dribbles and inside runs.
One thing that will always make me dislike him is his attitude. The simplest principles in football are being able to control a ball and being able/willing to run. You can't be a good football player unless you run and boy Martial is a lazy ass little mfecker. He needs to run more for a player that is deployed mainly on the wing.
If Leo and Cristiano can track back while being over 30(even if they don't constantly do it), Martial should be able to do it as well. The gap between Rash's attitude and Tony's is too fecking big.
As a simple conclusion, he's either played as a ST in a very attacking setup or he's as useless as tits on a mule.
What’s elite about him?
Payet was far better when he played at West Ham aged 30
Is he actually any better than Richarlison or Iwobi, for example?
You think Martial is better than Richarlison? I don’t know about that.Richarlson and Iwobi? Feck me!!
I look at the great goals he has scored and think if we can put him in those positions more often he will be very effective. Similar to ronaldo at united, he had amazing moments very inconsistently, and was coached and the team was coached to make them more frequent.What’s elite about him?
Payet was far better when he played at West Ham aged 30
Is he actually any better than Richarlison or Iwobi, for example?
Richarlison is a good player but certainly not better than Martial.You think Martial is better than Richarlison? I don’t know about that.
Certainly there’s not much between them.
This is embarrassing!You think Martial is better than Richarlison? I don’t know about that.
Certainly there’s not much between them.
Martial recently signed a new, highly lucrative contract. There is little to no chance of him leaving this summer.Sell.
Too inconsistent and doesn't bring enough to the table.
Playing for United and playing for Everton is not the same.This is embarrassing!
Richarlson
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ric...18&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
Martial
https://www.transfermarkt.com/antho...18&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
Martial has played over 400 mins less and has been more effective this season.
Well the contracts are on the board.Playing for United and playing for Everton is not the same.
Actually, what’s embarrassing is that we’re handing out mega contracts to kids who did very little in the game.
That assumes we'll be able to find a club willing to buy him with a £250k a week contract. We couldn't even drum up interest two summers ago when he was on a much lesser one.Well the contracts are on the board.
I can understand why it was given, he's still a very good player and for arguments sake if it doesn't work out next season for him under Ole at least we can get decent transfer fee on him as opposed to letting him go for free or close to it.
He'll have to take a cut, plenty do.That assumes we'll be able to find a club willing to buy him with a £250k a week contract. We couldn't even drum up interest two summers ago when he was on a much lesser one.
Yep, Martial on 48 goals... Rashford 45 and Mata is on 44.I'd play him through the middle over Rashford everyday. I think he is probably our best natural finisher and with some better coaching I think he would do very well in this position. His laziness/sulking is a problem though and like Pogba very good when good but terrible when not.
Stat wise he has a decent return on goals and assists, am I right in saying he's the current top scorer in squad or is it Mata?
Anyway he really has to improve next season but if not I think a sale could be on the cards next summer.
What brought attitude problem in the discussion ? We are talking about football basics which Martial looks ignorant about, and like movement off the ball and running all the game not just standing stall till he gets the ball. Things like continuous movement that all other forwards do look like fantasy to Martial.
If you think Martial has an attitude problem feck me, I can't find words to describe how bad Memphis attitude is.
Head up his arse and weather its been United, Lyon or the National side his attitude sucks.
He's delivering alright but for the simple reason of his bad attitude I'd most likely not want him back at United myself anyway.
You've said it previously in the pages before this that he clearly has a bad attitude cause his work rate is lacking.What brought attitude problem in the discussion ? We are talking about football basics which Martial looks ignorant about, and like movement off the ball and running all the game not just standing stall till he gets the ball. Things like continuous movement that all other forwards do look like fantasy to Martial.
I maintain my opinion. Martial lacks so much basic stuff of football that it will be impossible to gain just by aging. At the moment he is just a YouTube player that you can fill videos with dribbles and goals but frustrating to follow week in week out.
What does attitude mean ? Off field issues ? I don't remember saying he has bad attitude and have a terrible work rate is for me a different aspect than having a bad attitude. He's lazy on the pitch, but he's not a terrible personality off the field if you get it.You've said it previously in the pages before this that he clearly has a bad attitude cause his work rate is lacking.
Could well mean both I suppose.What does attitude mean ? Off field issues ? I don't remember saying he has bad attitude and have a terrible work rate is for me a different aspect than having a bad attitude. He's lazy on the pitch, but he's not a terrible personality off the field if you get it.
Bad attitude on the pitch means he's downing the tools or something, but Martial for me is just ignorant about off ball movement and its importance . All my criticism for him has been football related only.Could well mean both I suppose.
Bad attitude could be problems off field or just having a bad attitude towards work rate. I mean Pogba often gets a similar tag about his "attitude" as he looks lazy and uninterested.