Get rid of the poison, whoever that is, then we will have the chance to build a team fit to wear Uniteds shirt.
Neville: The players who are rotten in the dressing room are all on social media
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I don’t buy that Gary Neville is an old man out of touch with modern technology/social media, he’s 6 months younger than me! I might not be down with the kids anymore but I’m still savvy to tech and pop culture etc.... I’m sure that he “gets” it.
I couldn't care less what Neville says he is only happy when he can criticise our non English players
That sums it up very well.
good post, thanks for your balanced view
Neville sways with the wind. Why does anyone really value his opinion? He basically just amplifies the general rhetoric with little in depth analysis.
He's right that United are a lazy, unfit team who don't work hard enough. He's (laughably) wrong that this is due to a handful of players who use social media too much. Lingard is our most prolific social media user and while he's an average player he does at least work hard and he didn't even play today. Matic did play today and he was our worst player and he's one of the laziest players I've ever seen at United but Neville won't criticise him because he doesn't use social media and doesn't appear in the papers. It's just Neville taking two things he doesn't like a) footballers who use social media and b) lazy United players and trying to pretend there's a link because he's your typical ex-pro turned terrible analyst and that's what he does.
Whether he's right to focus on social media being the 'explanation' for how half our squad performs, he's bang on about the club's problems lying with the players and their attitudes.
I think too many on here are ready to pounce on Neville in defence of our social media warriors, but I think it's blind loyalty. Blind loyalty to players that have achieved next to nothing for this club, over one that consistently gave his all despite limited ability and won time and time again.
I think too many on here are ready to pounce on Neville in defence of our social media warriors, but I think it's blind loyalty. Blind loyalty to players that have achieved next to nothing for this club, over one that consistently gave his all despite limited ability and won time and time again.
He isn't critisizing them for being on social media......
Didn't hear any negative words about social media at all in the rant.
He also said they were in the newspaper every day.
He is just naming them without directly naming them.
Didn't hear any negative words about social media at all in the rant.
He also said they were in the newspaper every day.
He is just naming them without directly naming them.
As i said in my previous post, he isn't critisizing social media at all, many of you are misunderstanding what he said.
The full video. Gary Neville is spot on.
Would like to add Slaven Bilic's comments as well. He's absolutely right.
Would like to add Slaven Bilic's comments as well. He's absolutely right.
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If I hear or read the 'its social media' accusation again from a former player, I'll fecking scream! Its so bloody irrelevant
Meanwhile, Bilic is spot on
Meanwhile, Bilic is spot on
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A lot of truth in this, and in what Carragher said pre-game, basically amounting to the same thing: We've become what you were in the 90s, you're back to what you were in the 80s.
When Carragher was talking about how in your wilderness years you used to overrate the Fowlers, the Suarez's etc something hit home. Its exactly how our fans behave with this #MartialFC stuff. Acting like losing players that have consistently finished outside of the top four, nevermind the title race, would be the end of the world. We've lost our sense of self, our sense of how big the club is and, right now, there's a least half a squad that thinks its bigger than Man Utd.
Until we get back our ethos we'll be far, far away from you and City. Frankly, right now, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are also ahead of us. Its embarrassing.
Well put @AOAARON
Its mind blowing that there are still people defending these players. At this point anyone defending the players is doing so to the detriment of the club. We should be united in hounding these cretins out
Starting with Anthony Martial and unfortunately Paul Pogba
Starting with Anthony Martial and unfortunately Paul Pogba
It seems that a good number of our players would rather be famous than a footballer. I get Gary’s comments regarding social media.
A lot of these players think they have already made it, with their multi million pound contracts and various sponsorship deals. Why play for the shirt when you get paid regardless? That seems to be the attitude.
Whether there good enough or not they still should be giving 100%. You can’t defend these players anymore.
A lot of these players think they have already made it, with their multi million pound contracts and various sponsorship deals. Why play for the shirt when you get paid regardless? That seems to be the attitude.
Whether there good enough or not they still should be giving 100%. You can’t defend these players anymore.
I think this misses the point. Having a social media presence in, and of itself is not a problem.
Having a self-promoting brand- developing social media presence whilst doing feck all on the pitch?
Questions have to be asked.
I agree with this. You need players with than inner steel, that inner confidence. Players like Keane, John Terry, Company, Vidic, Robson, Cantona. Those are players who irrespective of their size I am betting that most people on here wouldn't want to get into a tussle with. Compare and contrast that with our current team who, to a man, irrespective of their size, seem weak.
We are almost at the point of electing the tea lady as club captain now whereas back in day the majority of our first 11 were cut from that cloth.
As part of our new fitness test every prospective signing henceforth needs to be locked in a room with a snarling Keane for 30 mins and closely observed.
You are misunderstanding, not me.
Neville said that our rotten players, the ones who are wrecking the foundation, who don't work hard enough, who need getting rid of, are the ones on social media every single day, in the newspapers every single day. Unless he is being extremely poor with his word choice then he is referring to: Lingard, Pogba, Martial, Rashford. This is also supported by him saying he had previous defended these players over the last 12-18 months as having talent and potential, he's done that for all four of those players.
I don't care what you think about those four players, the idea that they are the ones responsible for wrecking our foundations when we have the most incompetent board/CEO combination in football is laughable. The idea they are responsible for us being a lazy team when they are in a squad with Matic, Mata and Lukaku is laughable. The idea they are the ones that have to be gotten rid of when our captain is Young and we just gave Jones a new long term contract is laughable. As an analysis of United's problems it's about as in depth and accurate as the average AFTV post-game interview and exactly what you would expect from someone whose post-playing career has been absolute car crash disasters with England and Valencia.
Fantastic discussion.
As much as it made sense in yoursi'm sure this post made sense in your head
read as many times as you need. we have time.
I’m not a fan of Neville the pundit but my god did he hit the nail on the head today.
Keep it up bozo, I know you have time but I don't : )
Bilic is spot on. Kudos to whoever shared the vid.
it shows in your posts
I don't think i am misunderstanding, i am pretty sure he's just naming them, he is fully aware that everyone is on social media these days.
Just want to add that i am not defending any players, i'm fully behind "it's the players, not the manager" bandwagon, but i don't believe that them being on social media affects how they play.
What's wrong with out club these days, starts at the top, no doubt.
Gary must be a member on here cause he can't make up his mind either in what he's says before or after the game. Not sure about why being on social media got to do with a persons performance anyway. The irony is if he played in this era, he'd probably have been all over social media too.....
felt neville did his usual. talked a lot of sense then only to underline his point with the ‘social media’ jibe. the host said it’s time to name names & he ducked it by insinuating Pogba without saying his name & making a blanket statement [someone already mentioned in this post that Lingard is the most seen on social media & whilst limited is never work-shy]. let alone the fact Matic [an uber professional] has been nothing short of catastrophic as a united player.
social media is not the issue. the lack of ability accompanied by an unprofessionality throughout the club is.
i wish neville would be more considered given his position, he is sky’s sole united pundit [by & large] & given the liverpool tv feel of the channel recently he should be less. . . sensational but maybe i’m just wrong.
social media is not the issue. the lack of ability accompanied by an unprofessionality throughout the club is.
i wish neville would be more considered given his position, he is sky’s sole united pundit [by & large] & given the liverpool tv feel of the channel recently he should be less. . . sensational but maybe i’m just wrong.
Hes vile like a cancer in the club toxic is too nice a word
MU have more than their fair share of players who are letting the game down by not reflecting on the pitch their enormous wages. Nevilles social media dig is just part of the problem, these people on social media are coming across as prima donnas and will shortly be getting their come-uppance.
The fact is that for what ever reason the players are not gelling, they 9have massive motor problems and I dont mean bad car choice although that would be true in most cases.
Its been apparent that we have been playing terrible football ever since the glaziers and even alex ferguson played along with the dross players we had to have in his last years. Glaziers are only interested in profit and as someone else has said already, they have sucked the guts out of MU and we are now left with an empty husk and none of the players seem to give a toss.
If the glaziers dont back the manager to the hilt this summer then our only saviour will be to be demoted and then they may rise like a phoenix from the ashes or not. If the Glaziers dont get rid of woodwards and spend properly then Ole needs to move on and no one would think the less of him for getting out of the glaziers built empty husk.
The fact is that for what ever reason the players are not gelling, they 9have massive motor problems and I dont mean bad car choice although that would be true in most cases.
Its been apparent that we have been playing terrible football ever since the glaziers and even alex ferguson played along with the dross players we had to have in his last years. Glaziers are only interested in profit and as someone else has said already, they have sucked the guts out of MU and we are now left with an empty husk and none of the players seem to give a toss.
If the glaziers dont back the manager to the hilt this summer then our only saviour will be to be demoted and then they may rise like a phoenix from the ashes or not. If the Glaziers dont get rid of woodwards and spend properly then Ole needs to move on and no one would think the less of him for getting out of the glaziers built empty husk.
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He really wasn't that much, when he left they had nothing but praise regarding him. He wasn't perfect at all of course but he showed signs he could play under a coach proning discipline. Same with France, he's showed he can adapt to various tactical set ups.
The players have no hiding place anymore and I fully agree with Neville. Look at Liverpool,city and spurs and the work ethic they all have. OGS managed to get the players briefly playing like a proper team but then some of them seemed to fall back to the art off not giving a feck. And that drives us mad because top players never give up and keep going until the end. We need to face facts and start a proper rebuild because we frankly have a squad that lacking in most ways.
Bilic is right and it’s nothing that Fergie himself hasn’t said. He always said the most important thing for him was having control. If Mourinho with his record struggled, I can’t see how Ole will manage. I love Ole but he doesn’t have the record to throw his weight around with the likes of Pogba, and I have a bad feeling about how this might end.
Amen. I couldn't have said it better.
Yeah but then again, Lingard is one of the major problems as he isn't good enough for a top team yet is all over social media trying to flog horrible merchandise while picking up £100k a week from the club to be a complete fraud. It's laughable.
Slaven Bilic's to be the manager who'll lead us to glory
I never did understand why people here were so anti-senior player acquisition, other than it was Mourinho who wanted to do it. Seems like we needed that desperately at the beginning of the year and still need that. Players who'd been there and done that.
100% right?!? On something as subjective as the correlation between social media use and on pitch performance?? Leave the thread if you disagree?? Wow!