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Wouldn’t weHe's right, but what we need next to Herrera is a Carrick type player. A player who can find Pogba when in between the lines. As good as Herrera is at winning the ball, he is a really safe player.
A midfielder of say:
Pogba (Advanced Playmaker) Pjanic (Deeplying Playmaker) Herrera (Ball winner)
It would be similar to that of the midfield Pogba played with at Juventus where Pirlo was the deeplying playmaker and Vidal was the box to box ball winner.
We really should be trying our best to keep hold of Herrera.
Vidal actually often played further forward than Pogba for Juventus. But back then, Pogba wasn't expected/required to score as many goals as he is here.He's right, but what we need next to Herrera is a Carrick type player. A player who can find Pogba when in between the lines. As good as Herrera is at winning the ball, he is a really safe player.
A midfielder of say:
Pogba (Advanced Playmaker) Pjanic (Deeplying Playmaker) Herrera (Ball winner)
It would be similar to that of the midfield Pogba played with at Juventus where Pirlo was the deeplying playmaker and Vidal was the box to box ball winner.
We really should be trying our best to keep hold of Herrera.
The midfield at Juventus was never built around Pogba nor was the midfield for France.The problem is Pogba needs the midfield built around him so he can fully show his worth. The problem with that is he might up and feck off any summer, so what’s the point
What you mean is he wasnt setup to score as many goals as he is here.Vidal actually often played further forward than Pogba for Juventus. But back then, Pogba wasn't expected/required to score as many goals as he is here.
Wouldn’t we
Just be perfect with players of that ilk?
He was a novice TBF. Remember how young he still isWhat you mean is he wasnt setup to score as many goals as he is here.
Looks like he's not our player come the summer, so certainly not the answer. Would appear he's agreed to join PSG.Herrera isn't the answer because he's inconsistent himself. We need to focus on signing an upgrade of Herrera and Matic too if affordable. If not McTominay is a good replacement.
I thought about Juve when I posted. My answer is that that midfield was exceptional, and if we had a Pirlo dictating then I’ve no doubt Pogba would shineThe midfield at Juventus was never built around Pogba nor was the midfield for France.
The Juventus midfield was built around Pirlo and Vidal. Pogba and Marchisio just complemented it really well.
If Conte/Allegri played a midfield diamond then Vidal would play behind the forwards, with Marchisio coming in to do the leg work. Either way, the balance was always there. We lack balance.Vidal actually often played further forward than Pogba for Juventus. But back then, Pogba wasn't expected/required to score as many goals as he is here.
No doubt he would. That’s what we needI thought about Juve when I posted. My answer is that that midfield was exceptional, and if we had a Pirlo dictating then I’ve no doubt Pogba would shine
Herrera's absence has been one of the factors that have underpinned our recent poor performancesHe's absolutely right. Herrera is far from perfect and he is definitely not a midfield playmaker but with the lack of mobility (Matic) and being arsed (Pogba) in United's midfield he is absolutely vital.
Herrera's main qualities are his leadership, intelligence and mobility. What amuses me about this place is posters who criticise the team's lack of effort, mobility and leadership and then say that Herrera isn't missed at all.
But the fact that United under Ole have a fantastic record with him in the team means nothing because surely everyone remembers those one or two games where (although United won) the other team had a few shots. Imagine not dominating the midfield for 90 minutes away at the Champions League semi finalists. He's rubbish. Let's play McTominay instead.
That would work so nicely. Truth.He's right, but what we need next to Herrera is a Carrick type player. A player who can find Pogba when in between the lines. As good as Herrera is at winning the ball, he is a really safe player.
A midfielder of say:
Pogba (Advanced Playmaker) Pjanic (Deeplying Playmaker) Herrera (Ball winner)
It would be similar to that of the midfield Pogba played with at Juventus where Pirlo was the deeplying playmaker and Vidal was the box to box ball winner.
We really should be trying our best to keep hold of Herrera.
I'm guessing that's aimed at me, for my comment about the Spurs game?He's absolutely right. Herrera is far from perfect and he is definitely not a midfield playmaker but with the lack of mobility (Matic) and being arsed (Pogba) in United's midfield he is absolutely vital.
Herrera's main qualities are his leadership, intelligence and mobility. What amuses me about this place is posters who criticise the team's lack of effort, mobility and leadership and then say that Herrera isn't missed at all.
But the fact that United under Ole have a fantastic record with him in the team means nothing because surely everyone remembers those one or two games where (although United won) the other team had a few shots. Imagine not dominating the midfield for 90 minutes away at the Champions League semi finalists. He's rubbish. Let's play McTominay instead.
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Brilliant, mate. Absolutely brilliant!Not according to the caf. The consistent drop off in his absence is a coincidence.
He only was speaking about Pogbas best games ffs calm down. Hes not saying Herrera is perfect, just Pogba plays better with him in the side.The more time passes since Meulensteen's time at Old Trafford, the less respect I have for his opinions. He seems to have a high opinion of himself but has achieved feck all since he came out from under Fergie's wing. The stuff about Hererra is just stupid. It's as though he only started watching United in 2019.
EDIT: And even if he did start watching in 2019, surely to feck he saw Spurs absolutely bossing central midfield against Pogba/Hererra in the second half of our one nil win, without any specialist central midfielders on the pitch!
Well said, couldn't agree more.I'm guessing that's aimed at me, for my comment about the Spurs game?
Just for the record, in terms of specialist central midfielders, Hererra, Pogba and Matic were fighting a midfield battle against Harry Winks and Harry Winks alone for the whole of the second half in that game. A second half in which we had our arses handed to us from start to finish. With Spurs running through our midfield for fun.
But sure, Hererra is the player we need to get the most out of Pogba. Makes perfect sense.
And this is the "short-term 2019 memories only" version of this discussion. If we strain our grey matter a little bit harder, we should be able to just about remember fecking umpteen other games with a central midfield featuring Pogba and Herrera that was clearly not fit for purpose. What's happening here is the standard - injured player becomes world class/missing piece of jigsaw in his absence - crap that we see on here time and time again. Then said player returns, we all realise he's actually not as good as we thought and we're actually still a bit crap. Rinse and repeat. Groundhog fecking Day.
Is that even true, though? All we can say for certain, based on what we've seen under Ole, is that Pogba's best games have been against weak opposition. The fact Hererra also played in those games doesn't tell us a whole lot tbh. Just like it doesn't tell us much when we're losing to top teams with a lineup that doesn't happen to feature Hererra.He only was speaking about Pogbas best games ffs calm down. Hes not saying Herrera is perfect, just Pogba plays better with him in the side.
Fair enough and your maybe right. But if you were to pick Utds best midfield 3 or 4 surely them 2 would feature together? There is nobody else.Is that even true, though? All we can say for certain, based on what we've seen under Ole, is that Pogba's best games have been against weak opposition. The fact Hererra also played in those games doesn't tell us a whole lot tbh. Just like it doesn't tell us much when we're losing to top teams with a lineup that doesn't happen to feature Hererra.
If anyone can give examples of Pogba playing really well - against quality opposition - with Hererra in the team then I'd be more likely to accept Muelensteen's point.
I actually just added an edit to my reply. Your initial explanation of Rene's point was actually fair enough. Pogba probably does play better with Hererra in the team than he does without him. I shouldn't really have disagreed.Fair enough and your maybe right. But if you were to pick Utds best midfield 3 or 4 surely them 2 would feature together? There is nobody else.
My 3 midfielders would be Pogba Herrera Mctominay.
Mctominay sitting herrera breaking up play and Pogba (doing virtually nothing ) spraying passes and getting forwards.