Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?

[WensleyMU]

Nah, he’s a shit. He tried to undermine Chelski but they threw him out but he still left them a season of pain. We should never have taken him ( I was totally against it) but should have said goodbye after the Seville game. By the summer he was allowed to play the full shite mode - we should have stopped him but instead we allowed his virus to percolate and become the pain of this season. Scumbag and con man.

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

 

[spiriticon]

Yeah a player who had barely played any top flight football. What a shit post.

What does that matter? If he can't get a tune out of young players then don't waste the cash.

If he needs wingers, why didn't he say no to Fred? Fred's not a damn winger.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

When he finished 2nd with a shit squad we should've let him buy the players he wanted. Alderweireld or Maguire at 60m may have even proved good signings by now.

 

[Al-T]

He wasn't right. But I think it's fair to say that he wasn't entirely wrong.

Can't feel sorry for him though. He was responsible for bringing in Sanchez who, aside from being dog shit has set a bar for wages which the likes of Pogba and DeGea now feel they are worth.

Add to that Bailley, Fred, Lukaku, arguably Matic.

This club is an Augean stable of idleness and mediocrity and part of that is down to Mourinho.

 

[haram]

What does that matter? If he can't get a tune out of young players then don't waste the cash.

If he needs wingers, why didn't he say no to Fred? Fred's not a damn winger.

It was always going to take time with Dalot. Did you expect Dalot just to fly into the premier league considering he had played very little top flight football before signing for us? Maybe we needed a midfielder as well? The feck?

 

[SilentWitness]

I honestly think that Mourinho is the type of manager who when signing players does it collectively rather than individually. What i mean by that is he signs a bunch of players that he knows will collectively work in little groups together in order to create a functional team that plays the way he wants them to play, rather than buying one or two players and fitting them into the side. He was dreadful at the end as he was at Chelsea but I reckon if he was given free reign to bring in all the players he wished to in that summer we would be seeing a different United atm. You'd have a firmer grip on CL football at least. Maybe a little off the title.

 

[spiriticon]

It was always going to take time with Dalot. Did you expect Dalot just to fly into the premier league considering he had played very little top flight football before signing for us? Maybe we needed a midfielder as well? The feck?

Maybe we need another midfielder.. maybe we need another winger...maybe we need another full back...maybe we need another centre back... Maybe we need another...

You start to see where this is all going wrong?

 

[Charlie Yu]

Bought Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Fred
and wanted Perisic and Willian
They're all crap
Then went on a tirade before the season started instead of motivating players he completely stunk the place

Fred is definitely not a Mou signing he is pretty much an anti-Mou player. Perisic and Willian is still doing better than Martial despite age

 

[Buster15]

Both Chelsea and Arsenal imploded early on. Thats why it was so easy for us to gain 2nd spot.
edit:

This was the table in Jan 2018 before Chelsea's implosion

1. Manchester City: 62

2. Manchester United: 47

3. Chelsea: 46

4. Liverpool: 44

OK. But this season Chelsea Tottenham and Arsenal have pretty much done the same haven't they.
It cuts both ways.

 

[haram]

Maybe we need another midfielder.. maybe we need another winger...maybe we need another full back...maybe we need another centre back... Maybe we need another...

You start to see where this is all going wrong?

Yeah we need a lot of players. I could have told you that at the start of the season.

 

[Bruno Marques]

Maybe we need another midfielder.. maybe we need another winger...maybe we need another full back...maybe we need another centre back... Maybe we need another...

You start to see where this is all going wrong?

Going the way that all the great teams do?? was that it?

 

[spiriticon]

Yeah we need a lot of players. I could have told you that at the start of the season.

Why though? He's had plenty of players in the 2 years he's been here.

Simple. He can't get a tune out of any of his signings. So, throwing another 100 million at him and next season we will still need a lot of players. And the season after that.

'But Ed..maybe we need another...'

 

[spiriticon]

Going the way that all the great teams do?? was that it?

Great? Which part of the last 3 seasons has been great in anyway?

 

[Buster15]

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

Sunk in for me ages ago.
Watching the players just ambling about against Huddersfield with no urgency until it was too late proves the point.

 

[Canagel]

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

He wasn't building anything. We will have seen what foundation he left now. At least 3 of his signings is ready for sales. He spent 2 years shoehorning his recording signing into defensive position and the other half yr fighting against him openly. 2 other signings is already come and gone.
half competent club will have sacked him post Seville.

 

[haram]

Why though? He's had plenty of players in the 2 years he's been here.

Simple. He can't get a tune out of any of his signings. So, throwing another 100 million at him and next season we will still need a lot of players. And the season after that.

'But Ed..maybe we need another...'

The best players he inherited was Mata, Rashford, Martial and de Gea. Yes we fecking needed players and evidently still do. People keep criticising but we finished 2nd. Back the fecking manager.

 

[spiriticon]

The best players he inherited was Mata, Rashford, Martial and de Gea. Yes we fecking needed players and evidently still do. People keep criticising but we finished 2nd. Back the fecking manager.

Second. Again with that losers argument.

Back the fecking manager. Bet you weren't saying that with Moyes and Van Gaal.

 

[WensleyMU]

Why though? He's had plenty of players in the 2 years he's been here.

Simple. He can't get a tune out of any of his signings. So, throwing another 100 million at him and next season we will still need a lot of players. And the season after that.

'But Ed..maybe we need another...'

He wanted a winger... The past season if nothing else has shown that, we have lacked a winger.

Having two "strikers" playing wide or an attacking midfielder shoehorned into a wide role isn't the same as having an actual winger.

He had the striker who, with good consistent service is capable of scoring plenty of goals, and identified the need for a wide man to support said striker.

But the accountant knew better, right?

 

[singhters]

I think he was right, otherwise the players would still be going all out for solskjaer, i think they just did it to make jose look bad.

 

[haram]

Second. Again with that losers argument.

Back the fecking manager. Bet you weren't saying that with Moyes and Van Gaal.

We are not better than 2nd. People need to get that into their fecking heads.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Yeah they did such a good job preparing for his arrival Pep walked into a team with no FBs, no ball playing CBs and no midfield.

Youre taking the piss right? Its well known by everyone that city were preparing the club for pep since 2012. Not the team, the club.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Youre taking the piss right? Its well known by everyone that city were preparing the club for pep since 2012. Not the team, the club.

If they did they did a poor job of it.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

If they did they did a poor job of it.

Always nice to get a laugh, mate. Cheers.

 

[JimiboyX]

Right about some things. Wrong about a lot more things than we was right about. The wrong appointment entirely, from day one.

I think part of the reason the squad (obviously far from the whole reason...) is in the state it's in now is that he was utterly fixated on the players he didn't have and clueless when it came to actually improving and man-managing the players he did have. Two and a half years of that can't have helped.

 

[spiriticon]

He wanted a winger... The past season if nothing else has shown that, we have lacked a winger.

Having two "strikers" playing wide or an attacking midfielder shoehorned into a wide role isn't the same as having an actual winger.

He had the striker who, with good consistent service is capable of scoring plenty of goals, and identified the need for a wide man to support said striker.

But the accountant knew better, right?

The accountant hasn't got a clue about signings. But neither did the previous manager unfortunately.

Hence, deep squad issues.

 

[WensleyMU]

Second. Again with that losers argument.

Back the fecking manager. Bet you weren't saying that with Moyes and Van Gaal.

Do you think finishing second is a sackable offence? That one of Pep or Klopp will be out of a job next weekend?

Or do you think which ever of them misses out, will be heavily back to fight again the year after?

As for Moyes and van Gaal, LvG was clearly trying to implement a style this club hasn't really used before, and it showed, big time. Rather than embrace it like other clubs do, players decided they knew better and the moron running the club made the club look a disgrace in how they sacked him.

 

[Cockney Phil]

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

Nah, golden rule never employ a Sacked man who already has a chip on his shoulder for not getting the job directly after Fergie retired.

He was backed and then he crapped on ‘his’ buy ins - poor workmen blame their own tools.

Once the team began to play badly after the Scouse away draw last season, then the defeats at Seville, HT and Spurs away he was already on his way out in his own mind.

Like all narcissists he was devious enough to make it all about himself and profit from it, which he succeeded in achieving and is laughing all the way to bank.

The Scouse game, his last game, is his glorious legacy.

 

[WensleyMU]

He wasn't building anything. We will have seen what foundation he left now. At least 3 of his signings is ready for sales. He spent 2 years shoehorning his recording signing into defensive position and the other half yr fighting against him openly. 2 other signings is already come and gone.
half competent club will have sacked him post Seville.

He had taken us from 5th and the Europa League, to 2nd and the Champions League in 2 seasons.

There's not a club on this planet who wouldn't have backed the manager following that and giving him the best possible opportunity to take the next step to winning the title.

Except United, of course.

A quick note on the Pogba out of position nonsense repeated constantly on redcafe. He's demonstrated both his considerable ability, as well as his infuriating stupidity In every position he's played, including his claimed best position...

 

[Canagel]

Comparing mourinho 2nd place to Klopp/Pep 2nd place.
I've heard it all.
These two have produced an incredible football and maximized their investment to its full potential to create a wonderful title race. Mourinho is not on their level.

 

[WensleyMU]

Comparing mourinho 2nd place to Klopp/Pep 2nd place.
I've heard it all.
These two have produced an incredible football and maximized their investment to its full potential to create a wonderful title race. Mourinho is not on their level.

Both Pep and Klopp had seasons not to dissimilar to Jose last season (Klopps was in the same season). Peps first season wasn't great, yet, he was backed by City and the players. Klopp last season finished below Jose and United but was heavily backed by the club.

The results are clear to see. Neither were immediately successful but as a result of complete support by their clubs, were given a platform to succeed.

 

[spiriticon]

Do you think finishing second is a sackable offence? That one of Pep or Klopp will be out of a job next weekend?

Or do you think which ever of them misses out, will be heavily back to fight again the year after?

As for Moyes and van Gaal, LvG was clearly trying to implement a style this club hasn't really used before, and it showed, big time. Rather than embrace it like other clubs do, players decided they knew better and the moron running the club made the club look a disgrace in how they sacked him.

No, it's not a sackable offence, but it's not something I'd bust out my tissues and lube over either, like you guys.

It's second.

 

[Rolaholic]

Comparing mourinho 2nd place to Klopp/Pep 2nd place.
I've heard it all.
These two have produced an incredible football and maximized their investment to its full potential to create a wonderful title race. Mourinho is not on their level.

It's laughable really,we were out of the title race by the derby in December

The 2nd place finisher this year is gonna be in it until the very last weekend of the season on top of smashing the record for most points by a runner up. They'd have won the league in any other year aside from 2

The fact that Jose hasn't been seriously linked to any big club besides the likes of Roma, Lyon and Celtic shows his current level and perception in the grand scheme of things.

He's a dinosaur on the verge of being left behind in the dustbin of football history and Ed Woodward and the boards gross incompetence doesn't absolve or justify that in any way

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Both Pep and Klopp had seasons not to dissimilar to Jose last season (Klopps was in the same season). Peps first season wasn't great, yet, he was backed by City and the players. Klopp last season finished below Jose and United but was heavily backed by the club.

The results are clear to see. Neither were immediately successful but as a result of complete support by their clubs, were given a platform to succeed.

Mourinho was heavily backed by the club. People focus on last summer but, he was definitely backed his first two summers and why he only signed Fred and Dalot last summer there was still the Sanchez signing in the winter.

 

[joleb]

I really dont understand people who still blame Mou for our problems.

Come next season, those same people will be asking for Ole's sacking because our players are not playing well.

When did the united board start siding with the players and not its manager? Was this right after Fergie?

 

[Keeps It tidy]

I really dont understand people who still blame Mou for our problems.

Come next season, those same people will be asking for Ole's sacking because our players are not playing well.

When did the united board start siding with the players and not its manager? Was this right after Fergie?

Most top clubs side with players over managers.

 

[Canagel]

Both Pep and Klopp had seasons not to dissimilar to Jose last season (Klopps was in the same season). Peps first season wasn't great, yet, he was backed by City and the players. Klopp last season finished below Jose and United but was heavily backed by the club.

The results are clear to see. Neither were immediately successful but as a result of complete support by their clubs, were given a platform to succeed.

Mourinho vs Klopp spending:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...mount_of_spending_by_klopp_mourinho_from_the/

The difference between the teams is not money but rather where it was spent and the quality of the managers.

 

[hn4manunited]

Yeah because as the manager of the club for three years he was not in any position to fix any of the problems.

If you think the current structure of our club could facilitate that, you’re not able to see the real issue. It was never going to be an easy problem to fix and would never be quick. It’s much worse when you have to works against the wind with a clown like Ed.

 

[hn4manunited]

Our 2nd place position was weird to me. It never felt like a true 2nd place since we were miles behind City anyway and the football played was disgusting anyway.

Considering the squad he has had to work with, finishing second in an ugly way was probably the only way to get there. The early part of the season wasn’t ugly entirely though

 

[hn4manunited]

I agree he was right. If only he had the opportunity of 10 new players to rectify our fortunes.

If you’ve not come to the realization that any manager we have may need to buy up to 10 new players to improve our situation, you’re not understanding how bad our situation is.

 

[hn4manunited]

why are we still bothered whether he was right or not?

He was shit. end of.

I still think some of you are not seeing the real reason for this thread. It’s not about defending Jose. It’s about realizing that he was right about how bad our club’s situation is!