Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?

[hn4manunited]

Had three summers to get better FBs only bought a very young Dalot. Ashley Young was going to be the first choice LB this season only Young needing a rest after the World Cup and Shaw's good form to start the season is the only reason why he wasn't.

That is not his doing. If it’s up to him, we would have a whole new team of first team players.

 

[hn4manunited]

He is right that our players are mediocre and lazy and our management useless. Shame he was such a twat who self sabotages.

He wasn’t self sabotaging. He realized how bad our club hierarchy is and he decided to fight it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yeah nah he’s a toxic prick and if he had his way we would have yet more dross here like Perisic and Willian. I’m delighted he’s gone. If being right means doing a pretty terrible job, signing plenty of dross and constantly bitching and moaning, then yeah he was very right indeed.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

That is not his doing. If it’s up to him, we would have a whole new team of first team players.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nited-are-ready-for-a-serious-title-challenge

 

[Rolaholic]

He wasn’t self sabotaging. He realized how bad our club hierarchy is and he decided to fight it.

By throwing everyone assosciated to the club under the sun (fans and academy lads included) under the bus and downing tools for a fat pay off?

Gee what a righteous martyr that Jose was fighting the good fight against the evil Woodward and Glazers...

 

[hn4manunited]

You should be done here. There is no reason to still be defending Mourinho at this point. He failed here and should have been sacked sooner end of.

You are the one that should be done here. You are not getting the reason why we are making our arguments. You can’t see past your hate for Mourinho. There’s a bigger picture if you look outside of your microscope that is on Mourinho.

We are not defending Mourinho. His only failure is to not be able to overcome Ed. There’s a point here about what our club’s real issue is but you continue to go back to the same argument about Mourinho.

 

[hn4manunited]

The prick is why we're in this mess in the first place.

You mean Ed? He wasn’t the one who sabotaged our season. Ed is the root cause of our issue. Mourinho is the symptom. If you know how symptom and root cause works.

 

[Jim Beam]

No, he wasn't.

 

[hn4manunited]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nited-are-ready-for-a-serious-title-challenge

That was when he was still playing the face of the club and working the positive PR end of our commercially run club.

 

[pocco]

Yeah nah he’s a toxic prick and if he had his way we would have yet more dross here like Perisic and Willian. I’m delighted he’s gone. If being right means doing a pretty terrible job, signing plenty of dross and constantly bitching and moaning, then yeah he was very right indeed.

Not sure about Perisic but Willian looks streets ahead of any of our attackers. He might be older, but he has more quality and a better engine than our lot.

 

[Bojan11]

That is not his doing. If it’s up to him, we would have a whole new team of first team players.

Why did he decide to spunk £55m on a midfielder he barely played? Who signed Sanchez?

Jose could have told the club don’t sign Fred. Get me another fullback or centre back. Even though he already signed Bailly and Lindelof. He was going on about the other day how Pep was able to bin Bravo after one year. He’s crazy if he thinks we can keep doing that with our signings. We don’t have money to throw away like City can.

 

[hn4manunited]

By throwing everyone assosciated to the club under the sun (fans and academy lads included) under the bus and downing tools for a fat pay off?

Gee what a righteous martyr that Jose was fighting the good fight against the evil Woodward and Glazers...

I never said he was a righteous person. We all knew what Jose is. He didn’t have to put up with it, he just needed to walk away with a pay day. I don’t blame him a single bit. It’s business, it’s not personal.

 

[Bojan11]

Not sure about Perisic but Willian looks streets ahead of any of our attackers. He might be older, but he has more quality and a better engine than our lot.

Streets ahead?

He’d join our long list of attackers who barely score or assist.

 

[hn4manunited]

Not sure about Perisic but Willian looks streets ahead of any of our attackers. He might be older, but he has more quality and a better engine than our lot.

Totally agree with this. I have been watching Perisic and he would walk into this team and outwork and outshine any of our attackers today.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Not sure about Perisic but Willian looks streets ahead of any of our attackers. He might be older, but he has more quality and a better engine than our lot.

Yeah Chelsea fans seem delighted with him this season.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Not sure about Perisic but Willian looks streets ahead of any of our attackers. He might be older, but he has more quality and a better engine than our lot.

For 50m, we get a decent player for a season or two before the inevitable decline. Maybe if he were linked with younger talents Woodward might give him a chance, but then again he wouldn't be Jose if he did.

 

[hn4manunited]

Why did he decide to spunk £55m on a midfielder he barely played? Who signed Sanchez?

Jose could have told the club don’t sign Fred. Get me another fullback or centre back. Even though he already signed Bailly and Lindelof. He was going on about the other day how Pep was able to bin Bravo after one year. He’s crazy if he thinks we can keep doing that with our signings. We don’t have money to throw away like City can.

You’re still not hearing our arguments. It may not be Jose who wanted these signings. If you know Jose, you know Bailly and Lindelof are not his usual Center Half profile types. They are young players for the future. They are not first teamers for today. That was clear when we bought Bailly and Lindelof that Jose wasn’t calling the shots on who we’re bringing in. Hence his comments about the current modern model of the manager being more of a team coach who works with who he’s given instead of having more say so.

 

[hn4manunited]

Yeah Chelsea fans seem delighted with him this season.

hey, I heard Barcelona is interested in Willian. He must be crap.

 

[hn4manunited]

For 50m, we get a decent player for a season or two before the inevitable decline. Maybe if he were linked with younger talents Woodward might give him a chance, but then again he wouldn't be Jose if he did.

That’s exactly what I think people are missing. Signing young players will require time and patience from the hierarchy and fans. You need some young players for the future but for right now, our team needs infusion of ready to compete players even if it’s for one season before their decline. We need to keep competing and winning to stay relevant. We are in a downward spiral.

 

[pocco]

He might have gone about it the wrong way, but he has been entirely justified in the last few months. The players he grew tired of have still let us down. Mourinho was the only person that had the ambition to match the club and that's where he didn't see eye to eye with certain people.

At the time everybody thought more could be got out of this players and that they just didn't want to play for him. This has been proven to not be the case.

Let's just hope that Woodward has a better understanding with Ole and we can start to get back on track over the next couple of years.

 

[Casanova85]

Problem is: Mou lost the confidence/support of the board after the Sevilla fiasco, and how he dealt with it.

When he realized it (too late, his fault) in July-Aug, when he didn't get the new signings he wanted, he made this public, bitter statement "Get ready for a terrible season". That basically broke the squad and the air became too toxic. 2018-19 season ended in Aug, make no mistake.

Ole did what he could and actually made us reach "Top4 contenders" status. We could have easily ended up 3rd this season. The awful results of March-April are the fault of the players, period. Mou was the one to blame in Aug, the franchise players (DDG, Pogba, Martial, etc) are the ones to blame in May. And, like Mou, they have to go. Full circle.

Summer 2019. Time to rebuild the squad for good.

 

[hn4manunited]

Regardless of whether Ole is the answer Mourinho has already proven that he was not.

If you weren’t seeing the progress we were making under Mourinho, you’re in for some rough ride the next few years.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

hey, I heard Barcelona is interested in Willian. He must be crap.

Barca have signed great players like Vermaleen, Maduro, Kevin Prince Boateng and Paulinho recently.

 

[Jezpeza]

He was right about the amount of shit players he inherited tbh.

 

[hn4manunited]

He was backed.

He wasn’t. Not to the extent he and we all needed.

 

[hn4manunited]

He got Bailly, Lindelof and Sanchez.

He was backed and couldn't get a tune out of any of them.

Bailly and Lindelof are not what a Jose signing would look like especially at center half. You think Jose would be excited about a player who was struggling at Arsenal?

Edit: I meant to say Bailly and Lindelof are not what a Jose signing look like especially at center half for his immediate first 11. These are young players for the future.

 

[anant]

Right about what?
The side not being good enough? He was the one who bought this upon us and had Ed backed him last summer, we would have been looking at a bigger rebuild!
Go over his signings and even players he sold:
Ins:
Zlatan - definitely a good deal, but when you're in transition, sign a youngster rather than a signing meant for a season
Pogba- Good player but he had no idea how to use him
Mkhi- Flop
Bailly- Too raw and 3 years after his signings he is still as immature as he was then
Matic- A baffling signing. A 29 year old player when you have Herrera in your side and already have a few more players in the twilight of their careers
Lukaku- We knew he was inconsistent and had poor touch. Seemed like a good signing at first but both his weaknesses came to the forefront pretty soon
Lindelof- A good signing
Sanchez- Probably the worst transfer in our history, not because of his performances but because of ho it has pretty much ruined the wage structure at the club
Grant
Dalot- Promising signing
Fred- 50m seems just outrageous for him

Outs:
Schneiderlin- Good decision
Depay- Good decision
Schweinsteiger- Good decision
Rooney- Want to say it was a good decision, but we really are missing his leadership and experience
Mkhi- Got in Sanchez so sure what to make of it
Januzaj- Was he really that bad. I mean, he could've been our RW this season. Definitely better than Mata at RW and Lingard
Blind- Not exactly a huge fan of him, but he was technically our best defender and incredibly versatile. Was he worse than Valencia or Young? No fecking way. Also, after crying out for defenders who could play from the back, he decided to only use him sporadically!

Additionally, he wanted to sell Shaw (argubly our player of the year) and Martial (who, while I'm not fully convinced by, is still among the most promising players we have) and replace them with likes of Perisics and Willians (who are again on their last legs)

 

[hn4manunited]

I'm sure he bought Dalot for that reason but hey ho, he couldn't get a tune out of Dalot either.

Dalot was and always will be a future signing. Jose prefers proven players for his first teamers.

 

[Canagel]

Bailly and Lindelof are not what a Jose signing would look like especially at center half. You think Jose would be excited about a player who was struggling at Arsenal?

So Woodward had forced them onto Mourinho?
Any success is thanks to Mourinho. Any failure is failure of board. Got it.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Bailly and Lindelof are not what a Jose signing would look like especially at center half. You think Jose would be excited about a player who was struggling at Arsenal?

What signings do you think Mourinho was responsible for?

 

[Bojan11]

What signings do you think Mourinho was responsible for?

None apparently.

Mourinho had scouted Lindelof for a year and I think he even went to a match to watch him. I highly doubt the club forced Bailly on Mourinho. Next he’s going to say Jose didn’t want Pogba despite wanting him and Griezmann at Chelsea.

 

[Striker10]

Its difficult to say. Opinion isn't fact. The players need to look at themselves. We finished second last season. This after a poor start, we clawed our way back into top four only to then go backwards. We lack in so many areas but at the start I think Jose maybe was to hard on our defenders and rather then standing up, they bottled it and proved him right. I dont know if our kids ...read the papers. Maybe they do? They need to grow up. They need to man up. We say during that run of wins, yes we got a bit of luck but often you make your own luck. We were brave, we were strong, we had cohesion and lesser players became better player simply by having the right attitude. Jose wasn't backed in the market albiet the market is destroyed. When a squad player can cost in excess of 50million or even a talented kid in excess of....then how do you compete? Our league is very competitive.

What people need to get is even if Jose is backed, every other club is backed also. We are chasing because when we were on top, we didn't spend money. We became complacent. We let average players stay longer or even captain the club. Talk of 'value' in the market..gimme a break. Just sell the club glazers if you can't compete.

 

[mu4c_20le]

He was right about the amount of shit players he inherited tbh.

He had three years to take care of it. He was happy with Valencia/Young at RB.

 

[hn4manunited]

Nah, we should have backed him last summer to build on the season before. Like any half competent club would have done.

Chelsea players downed tools, just as our did and have done so under Ole now.

In time, one way or another, what the real issue is, will sink in. Not just for you, but for many others.

I hope you’re right but my suspicion is that some will never get it. Which is ok. Fans can enjoy football at any level and it’s ok if they don’t get what football really looks like at the macro level.

 

[squamish]

Only missing Robin Van Persie

 

[hn4manunited]

What does that matter? If he can't get a tune out of young players then don't waste the cash.

If he needs wingers, why didn't he say no to Fred? Fred's not a damn winger.

Doesn’t that just show you he doesn’t call the shots on transfer business?

 

[Striker10]

He had three years to take care of it. He was happy with Valencia/Young at RB.

Unless you can move a player on, you'd not going to say any different and tbh we need to do so much business that it's nuts but if we're slow being able to buy we're not going to sell before we bring in. It's not easy. Our squad isn't that big. There's lots of youth, even before the potential in the youth systems. We can't afford to sell before buying. Every club mugs us off and rightly so. This is the problem. This is similar to ole and young. For all we know, that years just for an experienced voice in the dressing room but some might think he will be a certain starter. We don't know but we just have to move as much as we can without losing to much experience in the squad

 

[hn4manunited]

Great? Which part of the last 3 seasons has been great in anyway?

He meant that is a normal thing that great teams do as well.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Jose can turn any rubbish club to a title winning season in a year.

This is because he is a fantastic short term coach. However - not at any club will he be able to do that in his following years. What we saw was Jose build a standard title winning team - ultimately arriving at a stage when City has a world class player in every single position down to the subs bench.

If he wasn't good enough to get time anywhere else - he isn't good enough to get time here.

 

[hn4manunited]

Second. Again with that losers argument.

Back the fecking manager. Bet you weren't saying that with Moyes and Van Gaal.

If you didn’t think getting to 2nd with this squad is an achievement, you’re gonna have your hopes dashed in the coming years.