Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Mark Pawelek]

Sacking Ole will not magically sort everything out. This is the Manchester United board. Who among them know anything about football?

Avram Glazer = Executive Co-Chairman
Joel Glazer = Executive Co-Chairman
Kevin Glazer
Bryan Glazer
Darcie Glazer Kassewitz
Edward Glazer
Edward Woodward = Executive Vice Chairman
Richard Arnold = Group Managing Director
Cliff Baty = Company's Chief Financial Officer
Robert Leitão = joint Managing Partner of Rothschild & Co Gestion
"M a n u" Sawhney = Asian media
John Hooks = luxury fashion industry

 

[haram]

If we back him that’s another season lost with hundreds of millions down the drain.

Don't be surprised if we suddenly don't spend that much and go for cheap options.

 

[passing-wind]

2 wins in 12 will get you sacked in even a bottom half team even if the players are shite. At United you get 300m to confirm that fact

It's absolutely pathetic.

 

[gr3yham3]

Poch is talking about needed reassurances from Levy about a plan and a structure to take Spurs forward and match his ambition. These talks will take place after the CL final. If they don't go well, Poch's going to leave, and I'm absolutely certain we'd snatch him up and let Ole go.

Poch would be given the assurances he wants and would gut this squad, plus he'd be paid a lot more money and have access to a lot more money here.
The issue people have is no cofidence in Ole at this level and the level we aspire to. With that, transfers, staffing, coaching, knowledge is all under the cosh before we consider the pitch. A proven manager does not have these issues and I think people would be willing to give someone like Poch more of the benefit of the doubt to get things right and follow a proven process.

Pochettino would gut this squad, not sure Ole will or even has permission to.

If the fans stopped being so fickle, I am sure Ole will be allowed to gut the squad. The moment the fans start turning on Ole, it only gives Woodward more of a chance to sack him and "get someone else in", and the whole bloody cycle starts again. Just be patient, let the next few months unfold. If by December, we have shown no progress, then by all means.

 

[Enigma_87]

WTF!!!!

This is a knee jerk reactions thread if I ever saw one.

Get a grip, we need to give the guy at least 2 transfer windows before we judge. I admit my view has changed of him but we cannot get rid of him already. Get fecking Woodward OUT if anyone needs to go..

You are kidding, 2 transfer windows.

Look at his results since he’s been appointed perm manager.

Relegation form if I ever saw one. Should be sacked pretty much everywhere else.

 

[mu4c_20le]

If we back him that’s another season lost with hundreds of millions down the drain.

Woody did say we are an adult disneyland.

 

[crossy1686]

Hope ED will send you a personal top fan medal, because there’s no substance there at all.
We all know he’s a club legend, we all like him, but we’ve been atrocious the last two months, lowest we’ve been in decades.
At a proper big club like Madrid or Barcelona the fans would be protesting with torches outside OT right now, instead of clapping the lads off in their “lap of honor”
Feck this sentimental tacky crap.

But the other 4 months he was good? So we judge managers on 1/3 of their games now? Solskjær has gained more points than every other team in the PL with the exception of Liverpool and City. But yeah, he's responsible for all our issues...

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Don't be surprised if we suddenly don't spend that much and go for cheap options.

That would not surprise me one bit, and it'd give him no chance even if he was good enough.

 

[devil in me]

Anything that happens at manager-level is irrelevant until the whole structure of the club is changed from the top. Its been that way for years and going through 4 managers in however many years proves it.
May as well give Ole a proper go at it.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

The club has to back him. They didn't back Jose last summer, and that wrecked the season. They've made Ole the man, and the club is in dire need of an overhaul, they have to support him. They can't go into next season with the majority of these wastes of space and all of a sudden expect everything to get better.

Then again, Ole himself has said he doesn't want an overhaul, and that no manager would want to be in charge of that sort of change, but if he wants to succeed, he really has to be shipping out 7 or 8, and bringing in a similar number. If he's only planning 1 or 2 incoming, then he's deluded if he thinks we can improve. He's probably going to lose a player or 2 who he doesn't want to; De Gea, Pogba etc.

Ideally a football structure would be in place by now and already planning for the summer, but that hasn't happened. I hope I'm wrong, but I predict the club will struggle over the summer, Ole will flounder, and he'll be sacked in January. I really want him to be the one, but I really don't see it.

 

[Mainoldo]

Solskjær appealed to the weak mentality our players have when he was appointed. Told them they were all wonderful and deserved to be at United, which they probably needed to hear post Jose. Then they started getting complacent and some of them were phoning it in so he gave them a bollocking and singled out the individuals that weren't performing well enough. After that they just reverted to the shithouses they are.

They're weak and crumble over the slightest criticism. Hence all this social media bollocks they do, all the affirmation that they're brilliant from kids online. They need that because the reality is they're shit on the pitch and they can't handle being told that.

So how did they finish 2nd last year with this weak mentality? A miracle? Just to iron this out the players need replacing but we haven’t got a manager that can identify Phil Jones and Ashley Young are not good enough or show some sort of playing philosophy I am not interested. I’m fed up of the lies and the fake belief. This is how he got the contract in the first place; the fans and media stupidity.

The players did not give him a contract.

 

[haram]

That would not surprise me one bit, and it'd give him no chance even if he was good enough.

Very true.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Sack him and what? Appoint Carrick? Gary Neville?

There is not a single manager that can be a better option for us at the moment. All we can hope for is that the board supports him 100% in the transfer market.

Also, anyone who thinks we can get Poch

I don’t think anyone can do worse than Ole right now being honest.

 

[Snow]

Shocked to see so many wanting him gone. If Poch becomes available, I'd consider it, but really we should back him after the first half of his tenure here. It's gone to shit, but there have been contributing factors like personnel and fitness that are out of Ole's control.

2 wins, 2 draws and 8 losses in the last 12 games. I'm not at all shocked that people want him gone. That kind of record could get you the sack at any club at any level.

 

[Enigma_87]

Don't be surprised if we suddenly don't spend that much and go for cheap options.

So that’s 2-3 seasons of mediocrity then just to confirm that he isn’t up for the job.

Typical Woodward - wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Garethw]

Sack him.

 

[Infra-red]

The vast majority of the first XI will be the same next season - Ole needs to do what he has proven unable to do for the last two months - get these players to perform, or he won't make it to Christmas.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Not sure if anything has changed since Mourinho was sacked regarding a replacement. I think we should carry on trying to sign our number one objective Pochetino whatever the cost. A transfer fee the size of Fred is great value to sign a top manager. The only real difference than before will be paying of Solskjaar.

 

[Shiva87]

Don't be surprised if we suddenly don't spend that much and go for cheap options.

We really need to get some bargains who want to play for the club and work harder than anyone else on the pitch. Those players will set the platform for the big money ones to perform. At this moment, we need a lot of those.

Back Ole! No question. Give him 2 transfer windows to build his squad and see how the team performs. It was really abject to see how all patterns of play, tactics and effort just fizzled out after he was given the permanent job. It's like the players decided their season is done!

 

[RG 11]

Need a director of football to come in and have a recruitment strategy in place. Not sure we can afford to give him 200m and task him with a clear out without any oversight.

He clearly has his bias towards some players (Smalling, Lingard, Young, Jones) who clearly aren't good enough or consistently underperforming (Rashford) which makes me not trust him with it. We're just repeating the cycle and hoping this one sticks.

Also another worry is him not implementing any style of play especially since the injuries started. We don't have any movement up front, he has made obvious mistakes like Mata on right wing, not playing McTominay after PSG game, random decisions like Lukaku on the wing, Lingard roaming aimlessly, persisting with Young and De Gea.

It's all very worrying and the only thing we're holding onto is hope he replicates the first 10 games (and even then we weren't very impressive in our approach)

 

[Will Singh]

You are kidding, 2 transfer windows.

Look at his results since he’s been appointed perm manager.

Relegation form if I ever saw one. Should be sacked pretty much everywhere else.

So every manager after SAF was wrong? Can't you see a pattern here it's the fecking players, they are greedy bastards who don't give a shit about the club. feck the lot of him, get rid of all the players before Ole I say!!!!

 

[haram]

They are going to half back him and then sack him in December. They will hang him out to dry.

 

[sullydnl]

If we had a DOF type structure this would be less of an issue as we would be reassured by the idea that we're at least recruiting players as per a long term plan, rather than as per the whims of a particular manager who may or may not be successful here (possibly with random interference from our CEO too).

Recruitment shouldn't be about backing the manager, it should be about improving the club as part of plans that also align with our choice of manager.

 

[crossy1686]

So how did they finish 2nd last year with this weak mentality? A miracle? Just to iron this out the players need replacing but we haven’t got a manager that can identify Phil Jones and Ashley Young are not good enough or show some sort of playing philosophy I am not interested. I’m fed up of the lies and the fake belief. This is how he got the contract in the first place; the fans and media stupidity.

The players did not give him a contract.

Yeah alright, Jones and Young are the reason Solskjær should be fired. Lets just go with that line of knee jerk and see where we end up shall we?

 

[mu4c_20le]

If we had a DOF type structure this would be less of an issue as we would be reassured by the idea that we're at least recruiting players as per a long term plan, rather than as per the whims of a particular manager who may or may not be successful here (possibly with random interference from our CEO too).

The recruitment part is actually the least of my worries regarding Ole. Say what you want about everything else, his tactics, his motiviation, out of his depth or not.. at least he seems to understand the type of player that fits us, we know he likes Sancho, CHO, Joao Felix, Wan Bissaka, those types. So i'm not too worried about giving him the warchest this summer. Cant possibly be worse than our previous 3 ex's.

 

[Aretak]

If there's a feeling that Pochettino could be lured, sack him. Otherwise I don't see the point. Making appointing a DoF a priority instead get Woody the Clown as far away from the footballing side of the club as possible.

 

[Enigma_87]

So every manager after SAF was wrong? Can't you see a pattern here it's the fecking players, they are greedy bastards who don't give a shit about the club. feck the lot of him, get rid of all the players before Ole I say!!!!

They are still better than those at Cardiff and Huddersfield - get a grip.

Half of our team should be tossed, but Ole as well. He isn’t fit for the job that much is clear.

Get him out, put a DoF to choose the next manager and start the clear out.

 

[Will Singh]

Anything that happens at manager-level is irrelevant until the whole structure of the club is changed from the top. Its been that way for years and going through 4 managers in however many years proves it.
May as well give Ole a proper go at it.

That's exactly how I see it but there's a lot on here who would rather keep swapping and changing managers. We've still got Moyes chief scout on the books let that sink in.

 

[gr3yham3]

Can't imagine what would have happened if SAF had taken over in 86 and we had online platforms back then. He would have been sacked a long time before he won that FA cup that started things going. Ole has been here for 6 months, brought us to the highest points, as well as lowest points, of the season. Instead of focusing on the positives, people are asking for his head when he barely has time to build the squad or make big changes to it? Incredible.

 

[elnorte]

If he really wants to keep the love of the fans for him he should resign.

Haha. They won't like you for that one.

 

[Spoony]

If he really wants to keep the love of the fans for him he should resign.

They have short memories then. He's trying his best...whether he's good enough or not is debatable.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

But the other 4 months he was good? So we judge managers on 1/3 of their games now? Solskjær has gained more points than every other team in the PL with the exception of Liverpool and City. But yeah, he's responsible for all our issues...

The owners, the CEO, the players and the staff are all responsible.
As far as we know his good run was nothing but a boost of confidence and a feel-good vibe post Mourinho, that is all.
It’s not something you can build on, relegation form for two months is unacceptable for this club.

Would he been given the job now? Of course he wouldn’t, that says it all.

 

[DatIrishFella]

For the love of god back him. Give him the time he needs.

 

[Will Singh]

They are still better than those at Cardiff and Huddersfield - get a grip.

Half of our team should be tossed, but Ole as well. He isn’t fit for the job that much is clear.

Get him out, put a DoF to choose the next manager and start the clear out.

So who do you want as a DOF? An ex United or a outsider and then who would you want us to bring in as manager?

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

I wonder how many people on here desperately wanted SAF to get the sack before his dominance began in the 90s??

Manager is the least of the problems here. We’ve hired and sacked managers left, right & centre. What difference will it make doing this yet again?

Even if Pep came here, I genuinely don’t think it would make much of a difference. Never mind the s**** players here, he’d have to work under the Glazers & Woodward.

 

[thejtrain]

But the other 4 months he was good? So we judge managers on 1/3 of their games now? Solskjær has gained more points than every other team in the PL with the exception of Liverpool and City. But yeah, he's responsible for all our issues...

No one is saying he is the problem, but surely, he is not the solution either, as someone else put it? Honestly, if a better manager were available right now, would you still persist with him?

 

[Lee565]

Why is everyone acting like we should settle for Ole as Potchettino isn't available as if there isn't other top class managers about available or the fact that Ole is even competent when he struggles even in the championship, there are probably more than a hundred managers out there that would be an upgrade on Solskjear.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah alright, Jones and Young are the reason Solskjær should be fired. Lets just go with that line of knee jerk and see where we end up shall we?

Ole probably thinks the same as you and that’s why we are where we are. I’m not claiming to know more than most. But from the season Moyes was appointed I’ve realised how stupid our fans are. But it’s fine let’s see this managerial appointment out. It’s going one way and one way only, yet the board will get blamed again whilst us fans get away with flip flop murder.

 

[Garethw]

Why would we back someone who's clearly incompetent?

Because it’s the done thing on here. If you don’t back the manager you are a shit fan.

People don’t want to admit the truth mate. Ole is not a top manager.

 

[nickm]

This is what happens when you appoint a manager with no record at the top level. Fans and players lose confidence extremely quickly and there is nothing to point to, to argue for patience and belief.