Stannis burned people for no other reason than the red woman told him to.
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@Lyricist I commend your passionate defense of shit writing 
Personally think Arya, Hound, Cersei, Jamie, Jon were all handled decently. But the razing of KL is and always will be completely daft.
As I've said before, this is the same Dany that cried and locked up her children when they killed a farmers child. The same Dany that always tried to be just and punish the wicked. She also offered mercy to those who would join her cause. She spoke about how she isn't here to burn down cities. She's really never once harmed someone who you could say is innocent, (maybe like one bloke?). She's only ever punished those who committed atrocities. So yeah, as much as you are trying... it is shit writing and she hasn't given any indication she could ever do that. Like I said, having her burn down the red keep killing Cersei and those civilians Cersei surrounded herself being collateral damage with would have been somewhat believable, but just going around killing most the population... come on now. Baffles me how people are defending it.
It's quite clear to be that with only 6 episodes left they had to do something dramatic, so now they've set it up for Dany to be killed. They couldn't have done that if she just burned a few people through collateral damage, they needed to make her go full Tyrant. So yeah, sow a few seeds that her rule might be undermined by Jons claim, kill her best friend for a bit of grief mixed in and hey presto, our Dragon Queen can now roast a bunch of kids cause surely that's enough reason too... right! Nevermind that it goes against everything she's been about for 7 seasons... she's the daughter of the mad King! She's grieving! She's angry! Nevermind that she's already won the war for christ sake
Hilarious how D&D really just can't write for shit. What the feck does he mean "Make this personal". This is the writing you are defending...
Personally think Arya, Hound, Cersei, Jamie, Jon were all handled decently. But the razing of KL is and always will be completely daft.
As I've said before, this is the same Dany that cried and locked up her children when they killed a farmers child. The same Dany that always tried to be just and punish the wicked. She also offered mercy to those who would join her cause. She spoke about how she isn't here to burn down cities. She's really never once harmed someone who you could say is innocent, (maybe like one bloke?). She's only ever punished those who committed atrocities. So yeah, as much as you are trying... it is shit writing and she hasn't given any indication she could ever do that. Like I said, having her burn down the red keep killing Cersei and those civilians Cersei surrounded herself being collateral damage with would have been somewhat believable, but just going around killing most the population... come on now. Baffles me how people are defending it.
It's quite clear to be that with only 6 episodes left they had to do something dramatic, so now they've set it up for Dany to be killed. They couldn't have done that if she just burned a few people through collateral damage, they needed to make her go full Tyrant. So yeah, sow a few seeds that her rule might be undermined by Jons claim, kill her best friend for a bit of grief mixed in and hey presto, our Dragon Queen can now roast a bunch of kids cause surely that's enough reason too... right! Nevermind that it goes against everything she's been about for 7 seasons... she's the daughter of the mad King! She's grieving! She's angry! Nevermind that she's already won the war for christ sake
Hilarious how D&D really just can't write for shit. What the feck does he mean "Make this personal". This is the writing you are defending...
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You have my sympathy and admiration.
And you have my gratitude.
Your story could work in principle, but several key points are simply not there in the show or contradict what we have seen. Why should she hate Westeros and why should westeros people, especially the populace of king's landing, hate her? There has been no interaction between her and the common people of Westeros. It's not the common people who have killed her dragon and her friend, it's the ironborn at Cersei's order and Cersei's Zombie at her order.
Opposed to that, the common people have to hate Cersei, deeply. This is another thing the show has ignored completely - Cersei blowing up the sept of Baelor (together with half of all plotlines). Is everybody just cool with this huge act of blasphemy? In his last pointless negotiation, even Tyrion says to Cersei 'They hate you and you hate them'. The way things stand, a scenario similar to that in Essos, where Daenerys is seen by the people as the savior from tyrannical rule, makes simply much more sense.
One thing I have to give to Martin ( I assume the big decisions are still all his) is how wrong people guess for the most part what the outcomes will be. Cersei perishing in the rubble was a distant thought to favorites "she will be killed by Jamie, Arya, Tyrion etc"
#@Lyricist I commend your passionate defense of shit writing
Personally think Arya, Hound, Cersei, Jamie, Jon were all handled decently. But the razing of KL is and always will be completely daft.
As I've said before, this is the same Dany that cried and locked up her children when they killed a farmers child. The same Dany that always tried to be just and punish the wicked. She also offered mercy to those who would join her cause. She spoke about how she isn't here to burn down cities. She's really never once harmed someone who you could say is innocent, (maybe like one bloke?). She's only ever punished those who committed atrocities. So yeah, as much as you are trying... it is shit writing and she hasn't given any indication she could ever do that. Like I said, having her burn down the red keep killing Cersei and those civilians Cersei surrounded herself being collateral damage with would have been somewhat believable, but just going around killing most the population... come on now. Baffles me how people are defending it.
It's quite clear to be that with only 6 episodes left they had to do something dramatic, so now they've set it up for Dany to be killed. They couldn't have done that if she just burned a few people through collateral damage, they needed to make her go full Tyrant. So yeah, sow a few seeds that her rule might be undermined by Jons claim, kill her best friend for a bit of grief mixed in and hey presto, our Dragon Queen can now roast a bunch of kids cause surely that's enough reason too... right! Nevermind that it goes against everything she's been about for 7 seasons... she's the daughter of the mad King! She's grieving! She's angry! Nevermind that she's already won the war for christ sake
Hilarious how D&D really just can't write for shit. What the feck does he mean "Make this personal". This is the writing you are defending...
You are missing the point entirely - this is not that same Dany - so much shit has happened she has completely changed from that person.
I thought that was great - it was a curve ball and much more realistic a death than your typical evil vs good fight that would have been entirely generic.
I would have loved if Arya faced her up ,gave her a mean and just before proceeding giving a speech, a huge rock falls on Cersei
Tbh, considering the destruction of the Red Keep, it makes sense to have some characters die in itDont see much mention of it but I thought clegane vs hound was very well shot and executed.
Anyone else get Children of Men vibes from that single-shot scene where Arya comes out of the building?
As for Dany burning a city, fanboys will justify with the same thing they use to justify plot holes throughout this show and others : "character development "
ffs.https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bo5avw/this_did_not_age_well_at_all/
The freefolk sub is so much better than the GoT sub.
Any chance that Bran knows that the only way Dany and her Dragon can be defeated is with an equal foe?
The last night king was a vain psychopath before being created by the children of the forest.
Maybe a new night kink must be created using Jon Snow so he is inherently good this time.
The last night king was a vain psychopath before being created by the children of the forest.
Maybe a new night kink must be created using Jon Snow so he is inherently good this time.
For it's time maybe but looking back now (due to other shows getting inspiration from it) dont think it's that good of a watch nowadays. Sopranos is an ever green classic imo.
Iris West on the Flash has had better character development than DanyAs for Dany burning a city, fanboys will justify with the same thing they use to justify plot holes throughout this show and others : "character development "
I can hardly imagine George isn't meaning to have her do that as well though? The execution was a bit cack, but I doubt they came up with the general direction of the ending.@Lyricist I commend your passionate defense of shit writing
Personally think Arya, Hound, Cersei, Jamie, Jon were all handled decently. But the razing of KL is and always will be completely daft.
As I've said before, this is the same Dany that cried and locked up her children when they killed a farmers child. The same Dany that always tried to be just and punish the wicked. She also offered mercy to those who would join her cause. She spoke about how she isn't here to burn down cities. She's really never once harmed someone who you could say is innocent, (maybe like one bloke?). She's only ever punished those who committed atrocities. So yeah, as much as you are trying... it is shit writing and she hasn't given any indication she could ever do that. Like I said, having her burn down the red keep killing Cersei and those civilians Cersei surrounded herself being collateral damage with would have been somewhat believable, but just going around killing most the population... come on now. Baffles me how people are defending it.
It's quite clear to be that with only 6 episodes left they had to do something dramatic, so now they've set it up for Dany to be killed. They couldn't have done that if she just burned a few people through collateral damage, they needed to make her go full Tyrant. So yeah, sow a few seeds that her rule might be undermined by Jons claim, kill her best friend for a bit of grief mixed in and hey presto, our Dragon Queen can now roast a bunch of kids cause surely that's enough reason too... right! Nevermind that it goes against everything she's been about for 7 seasons... she's the daughter of the mad King! She's grieving! She's angry! Nevermind that she's already won the war for christ sake
Hilarious how D&D really just can't write for shit. What the feck does he mean "Make this personal". This is the writing you are defending...
"I laughed as it was happening, because of all the Dany fangirls/-boys who will have to explain why they have a child murdering lunatic permanently inked on their bodies, or why they named their children after such."
Surely Jon could just kill her 1v1?
As for the dragon, tough luck now that Jack Sparrow and his scorpions are gone.
This is funny.Those clowns were made out to be the toughest mercenaries and how they got erased was hilarious
She dropped from the sky (obscured by good and sunlight from what I remember) and got into close quarters fighting mate. She got the drop on them this time rather than the reverse last time (where the dragons had her at range and she had to close the distance without getting hit).
They are ballistae not gun turrets, what are they supposed to do up close? In the carnage they make a point of showing her whizzing around in CQ. Honestly, not an issue here....
As for JL he's got one hand and Euron is a prat.... Wasn't expecting stunts, martial arts and acrobatics were you? Underwhelming? Yes maybe.... JLs death was worst.
I highly doubt any of those decisions are his. Getting killed by rubble is a far cry away from the masterfully crafted deaths of epic characters such as Ned, Robb, Tywin, Joffrey and Oberyn.
All this recent hyping up of Stannis is hilarious. He had the charisma of a turd, constantly made shit decisions, lacked morals and had the sex appeal of a Tory. He was a boring character.
They diid not even have the scorpions loaded, like you are in a war. You are anticipating an attack and you can't have your only weapon loaded? In total, they fired one bolt instead of 30 compared to last episode.
Euron could easily have escaped but chose to come back to fight JL? It makes no sense.
I guess the point is that she's gone mad? No point looking for reasonable behaviour from a mad person....
Anyway I'm out, lot of unnecessary nitpicking going on.
My predictions for the final season re: Arya and Sam:
The faceless men come collecting their due - To have Arya kill, not Dany, but Drogon. And Sam's gonna help her do it as an agent of the Maesters, since magic is most likely going to disappear again when the last dragon dies and we can all start a new age of science and scholarship.
Tyrion sorts out Dany. Jon does what is right, regardless of how stupid or smart this may be.
Tyrion sorts out Dany. Jon does what is right, regardless of how stupid or smart this may be.
I thought that scene was brilliant. The captain of the Golden Company, all proud and fearless on his beautiful horse, 5 seconds later, gone.
Those clowns were made out to be the toughest mercenaries and how they got erased was hilarious
It was a coincidence, I think he was coming back to get Cersei and found Jaime in his way
You saw them loading the Scorpions. If they arev then shown reloading them obviously they've been shooting them. Personally I don't need every shot to be shown.... I'm sure they fired a lot more than 30 shots, in amongst the panic and chaos.
Euron came back to fight JL? He knew JL was going to be there? Or he was going back to Cercei and bumped into JL? Looked like the latter to me...
Y'all getting carried away here....
Its laughable, but some people say its good TV so they turn a blind eye to the utter trash plot and script now. All the characters have became unlikebale and devoid of personality since the books ended. Its clearly obvious that Martin simply gave a very sparce vision of what was going to happen and D&D did bugger all writing round it and just hit on his key points.
No she’s always been my favourite character.
The Bells - Game of Thrones' flame grilled disaster
https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bo5avw/this_did_not_age_well_at_all/
The freefolk sub is so much better than the GoT sub.
This is brilliant.The scene between Jaime and Euron could have made more sense of Euron saw him and Cersei embracing him and Cersei mentioning the child is Jaimes not Eurons.
Euron having suffered a fatal would knocks out Jaime cold and ties him up or something whilst he chokes Cersei to death (thus fulfilling the Valonquar prophecy).
Then Jaime somehow gets free and he n Euron have a fight to the death. Not great but plot wise makes more sense.
Or even opposite way round - Jaime sees Euron embrace Cersei and mentions the child and implies no it is his and Even though it is really Jaimes in his rage he kills Euron and Cersei (by choking her).
Arya arrives on the scene to see Cersei has already been killed and runs back to where the Mountain and Hound were fighting, the Mountain is getting the better of both of them and is about to kill Arya only for Hound to sacrifice his life and push the Mountain and himself off the building and fall into the fire (cue emotional scene).
Euron having suffered a fatal would knocks out Jaime cold and ties him up or something whilst he chokes Cersei to death (thus fulfilling the Valonquar prophecy).
Then Jaime somehow gets free and he n Euron have a fight to the death. Not great but plot wise makes more sense.
Or even opposite way round - Jaime sees Euron embrace Cersei and mentions the child and implies no it is his and Even though it is really Jaimes in his rage he kills Euron and Cersei (by choking her).
Arya arrives on the scene to see Cersei has already been killed and runs back to where the Mountain and Hound were fighting, the Mountain is getting the better of both of them and is about to kill Arya only for Hound to sacrifice his life and push the Mountain and himself off the building and fall into the fire (cue emotional scene).
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He has been shown to be selfish, why would be come back to save Cersei?
Yes, why would you not have the scorpions loaded already when fighting a dragon? The scorpions went from being a big enough threat that missandei died to not even scratching drogon.
Bit of retrospect - while some performances can be criticised (Kit Harrington as Jon Snow, Emilia Clarke as Daenerys) and others perhaps a bit over-the-top praised (Peter Dinklage/Tyrion), I have to say:
Lena Headey and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Cersei and Jamie were fecking brilliant throughout all the seasons. Cersei as a multi-dimensional villain and Jamie's transformation from one-dimensional pretty boy villain to thoroughly gray and most interesting character in the show are probably the two most difficult roles to do justice in the show. I thought they pulled it off masterfully.
I also liked their ending. When the the two of them are together in private are probably the only times where Cersei and Jaime feel truly real as persons. Having them die together in a human moment when no one else are around felt very much appropriate to them. Also, Jaime always wanted to die "In the arms of the woman I love." So happy ending for him.
Lena Headey and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Cersei and Jamie were fecking brilliant throughout all the seasons. Cersei as a multi-dimensional villain and Jamie's transformation from one-dimensional pretty boy villain to thoroughly gray and most interesting character in the show are probably the two most difficult roles to do justice in the show. I thought they pulled it off masterfully.
I also liked their ending. When the the two of them are together in private are probably the only times where Cersei and Jaime feel truly real as persons. Having them die together in a human moment when no one else are around felt very much appropriate to them. Also, Jaime always wanted to die "In the arms of the woman I love." So happy ending for him.