Because he was by far the best player in the world this season, in both the league and the CL. If the winner has to be the best player of the club that won the CL, then you have 2 or 3 contenders, all from Liverpool obviously but then the award gets a bit sillier even. May as well rename it to "Balon D' CL final"
Ballon D’or 2019: who will win it? (Alleged leak: Messi 1, Van Dijk 2, Salah 3).
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Okay I'm not really interested talking about this because I don't think he was this seasons best player. Barcelona lost 4-0 to Liverpool & could have done with one Messi goal when it mattered. Instead we look at all the times he did score a goal & talk about how great he is. As I said before - a team can play beautiful football but are nothing much if they don't win some important titles. I don't know why this shouldn't be adequately mirrored proportionately to the players because I thought others won more important cups & records these days that had some good performances. Let's agree to disagree & call it a rest.
I just had a quick look and it seems as if both Ronaldo and Messi won it several times without winning the CL or WC, so where's the sudden change? Granted it's an award that seems to change its criteria from year to year but I don't see why it would be that outrageous to give it to the most outstanding individual player of the entire season, CL winner or not.
Idiots say that.
Tbf if the dutch do win the nations league, Van Djik is in with a strong shout. The dutch have beaten France and Germany in the group stages, and now have beaten England. He's been great all season and won the CL and came very close in the league, so it would make sense.
The odds have shortened on Van Djik considerably recently. If Argentina fail to win the Copa and the dutch win the nations league, it could well end up with Van Djik.
The odds have shortened on Van Djik considerably recently. If Argentina fail to win the Copa and the dutch win the nations league, it could well end up with Van Djik.
It's not about goalscoring it's about being the best, Messi was, by a million miles, the best player. Ronaldo shouldn't be in the top ten in the list
Really? Who would be the 9 players that get in ahead of him? Cristiano's been pretty damn good this year, and just like with Messi, it's not his fault that the team failed in the end.
Think VVD will win it. Messi will come second and Salah third.
The competition isn't really that tense this year.
The competition isn't really that tense this year.
I agree. Van Dijk and Messi in the top 2 is a certainty. Salah will be up there as well. Ronaldo, Mane and Mbappe probably also somewhere in or around the top 5.
Yes, the best strikers and forwards are better than defenders and goalkeepers.Well then strikers & forwards are better than defenders & goalkeepers then because they play a more eye catching attackingly influenced game that allows them to show their skillful abilities alongside passing & shooting. Is that right? It shouldn't be because all players have a different set of skills and therefore such awards are based around importance. To base an award around Importance it's hard not to suddenly consider the importance of winning the big trophies is it? That's how someone becomes important & there is more important players to me in the world for their respective teams than Messi this season.
Slightly changing subject, People act like Ronaldo is some rubbish footballer compared to Messi just because he concentrates on power and direct force whilst Messi has a bit more finesse. I've seen plenty things that Messi can't do that Ronaldo has done with amazing ability & vice versa never mind talking about players from different positions.
Anyway, this can be talked about in the Ronaldo v Messi thread but ultimately I don't see why Messi should win the Balon Dor this season - more important players exist for this seasons historical covering than what some lad did in some semi finals or against Getafe & Co.
P's. I saw Ronaldo grow in to a beast from being a Kid. Sometimes I wonder what Messi would have been without the growth hormone injections he got for moving to Barcelona as a kid
Just out of curiosity, if i asked you to name the greatest 5 players of all time, how many would be defenders? Wouldn't you consider Messi, Diego, Pele, Cristiano, Cruyff, Alfredo? How many defenders would you put amongst that pantheon?
Put Messi on Liverpool and Van Dijk on Barcelona on the semis. How would that tie go down? 10-0 to Liverpool?
Thats all you should know.
Thats all you should know.
I think people are sleeping on Ronaldo here; he's playing his debut season in a defensive Juventus that hasn't had its attacker win golden boot in a decade, but still scored the winner for their Coppa Italia THIS YEAR, he won the best player in Serie A for having more point winners, MoTM and highest rating in Serie A(if that's not enough for MVP, then messi should return the one he got at the world cup) while winning the league, and now he has a chance of winning the Nations league...that'd be his third trophy this year.
If he wins it and messi doesn't win the Copa America, the tide will change.
FYI, Suarez had the most impactful goals for Barca (goals that won more points) than messi, likewise Ronaldo for Juve had the most impactful goals for Juve which is far more than messi even though messi scored more goals.
What I see on this forum is not unbiased or straightforward comments on him, all I see is hatred towards the man and people not wanting him to win, but if he does and messi bottles, he'll definitely have a shot at the balon d'or
If he wins it and messi doesn't win the Copa America, the tide will change.
FYI, Suarez had the most impactful goals for Barca (goals that won more points) than messi, likewise Ronaldo for Juve had the most impactful goals for Juve which is far more than messi even though messi scored more goals.
What I see on this forum is not unbiased or straightforward comments on him, all I see is hatred towards the man and people not wanting him to win, but if he does and messi bottles, he'll definitely have a shot at the balon d'or
They did not win Coppa Italia.
Haha Juventus won the least amount of trophies this year than have in a long time. He wasn't even in the Coppa Italia, Juventus bottled it in that tourney badly
Messi has inarguably had a better year than Ronaldo by just about every metric.
Supercopa I mean, the one against AC Milan
This year, Juventus won the supercopa and serie A, Barcelona won only the laliga this year (their supercup was last year), and Balon d'or is based on yearly performance not seasonal
And this year Messi has been miles ahead Ronaldo
Then you should consider their performances also from Jan 1st. If I'm not wrong Ronaldo scored 19 goals + assists in all competitions and Messi scored 35 goals + Assists.
Mane - 18 G+A (Winner of CL)
Aguero - 25 G+A (Winner of PL, League cup, FA cup)
You are citing team awards.
On an individual level the past season, Messi was miles ahead. Arguably the biggest chasm between the two ever.
If Messi doesn't win it they might as well scrap the award. He's been the best by a long distance.
This is a deluded post. Cristiano hasnt been anywhere near close to Leo this year, or indeed the whole season just gone.
We might aswell close this thread and go home if people believe that.
And your comments are, Hala Madrid who supports Real guy?
I cannot for the life of me understand why people would still go to such lengths to try and argue that Ronaldo deserves the Ballon d'Or over Messi for 2019.
If VVD wins it, it won't be undeserved, that's how I simply see it. Otherwise I'd vote for Messi tbh
VVD will get it sooner or later.
Messi getting 5th last year is all you need to know really. That and Didier Deschamps being voted world’s best manager for an easy WC run with an absolutely stacked France team. Winning the Prem with 100 points didn’t even earn Pep a top 3 finish.
All these awards are just copypasting the winners of the most recent major tournaments nowadays. And the journalists will want to be smug and vote for the most trendy hipster player right now. Therefore VVD will win it.
All these awards are just copypasting the winners of the most recent major tournaments nowadays. And the journalists will want to be smug and vote for the most trendy hipster player right now. Therefore VVD will win it.
If Messi wins Copa it is going to be Messi. If not it is VVD.
I can tell just how victimized you feel.
But you're right. Messi should return that trophy and give it to Robben or Neuer or even Marscherano, and Ronaldo would make a horrible winner this year.
It's time we move away from Ballon d'Or being the popularity contest that made it such a boring award for the past 10 years.
Messi should win, easily. As he should have for the last 10 years.
1. Messi
2. Van Dijk
3. Bernardo
2. Van Dijk
3. Bernardo
Honestly don't know why this is such a huge debate. If this is about the best player and not just the best player of the team that won the CL, it's got to be Messi. He was the best player, top scorer and top assister in Liga. He was the best player and top scorer had some 6 knockout goals in the CL. Atleast last year you could point at Messi and say he's not performed in the CL but that's just not true this time.
As VVD himself said, it doesn't matter if Messi didn't go one match further, he's been the best in the world.
As VVD himself said, it doesn't matter if Messi didn't go one match further, he's been the best in the world.
1. Messi
2. Salah
3. CR
2. Salah
3. CR
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Hilarious to see the same people who were desperate for Modric to win it over Ronaldo last year completely changing their arguments to conclude Van Dijk winning it over Messi would be a big disgrace.
One thing is for sure and that is Ronaldo shouldn't get it this year.
Either Van Dijk or Messi should win.
Are you sure it is the same people because from what I remember most here did not think Modric should get it.
This. Same story as with Modric last year pretty much
It's even more blatant with VVD for me, I never thought Modric deserved it once.
Should be
1. Messi
2. VvD
3. Mané
Probably will be
1. VvD
2. Messi
3. CRonaldo
1. Messi
2. VvD
3. Mané
Probably will be
1. VvD
2. Messi
3. CRonaldo
They will give it to Salah this season I think. They like to compensate things. Modric didn't deserve it, I agree. Also Salah doesn't deserve it but still. There's no way VVD will get it. If not Salah then Messi and CR will be biggest favourites IMO. Messi will win it for sure if they win Copa America.
I'm tired of just forwards winning it.
The value of defenders and midfielders have gone down in this award. Did iniesta win it on the WC year?
The value of defenders and midfielders have gone down in this award. Did iniesta win it on the WC year?