What’s the difference between Pogba and Hazard? Absolutely nothing, just one set of fans appreciated the player they had.
He wasn't though, was he? How much have we spent since then? How much have we invested in managers? It's all been done wrong until we gave Mou the boot, but you can hardly accuse the club of not throwing money at the problem.
I'm convinced that people like you ruin these players with this sort of rubbish. Pogba's social media gets flooded with this crap all season.
Makes a ridiculous claim, challenged for it, wipes out the fanboy card. The anti-Pogba brigade in one capsule. Of course you wouldn't recall actual performances if you keep lapping up media-driven narratives. 'Acquitted himself consistently' by being average in some games and below average every other game, while our top player's contributions 'mean feck all'. If you are going to keep talking out of your backside, then you can as well jog on too.
Here's a new one. It's their fault Pogbas not very good. Because they don't rate him, it's ruining him.
You didn't answer the question. Would you expect another player playing the most minutes for us in an attacking midfield position to be top of those statistics? You posted those stats as if they were amazing, and impossible to replace, they aren't.
Sounds like this should happen soon then. That'll be a relief.Marca is very optimistic in their printed edition.
"Pogba on the fast track."
Apparently they want to sign him before 1st of July when you start the preseason, and they assume (the newspaper I suppose) that this fast route will suppose going far above 150m
Think you've misread what i said?Here's a new one. It's their fault Pogbas not very good. Because they don't rate him, it's ruining him.
Makes you wonder if those stories were true when we signed him. Apparently Raiola wanted Pogba to use United as a stepping stone to La Liga to get two big pay days. Same as what he's doing with De Ligt.
The difference is that 90% of the time Hazard was motm for Chelsea and did put a shift in. Pogba was motm in about 25% and mainly strolled around creating nothing. If he does that again we will be looking at 6th again
He's openly engineering a move away. It doesn't matter if he's good or not.
Ah so he's the only player ever to openly ask for a move away only to do a u-turn and stay?
Sorry, the double quote was what got me
I’m no Pogba hater. I was even more of an apologist until the end of this season.
Agree, crossed the line, it's a tricky getting paid properly in these circumstances though.
I can understand the "strolling around" criticism but creating nothing ? Nah, that's OTT
I criticise pogba for many things just like everyone else but isn't he the top of the list for chance creation in midfield? Not sure how he can be largely blamed for us not finish in top 4 when we have attackers missing sitter after sitter and defenders/Keeper making basic errors in games. Just look at Arsenal/Wolves/Chelsea/Last 2 games.... Missed easy chances /made basic errors at the back, sure you can blame him for lack of effort, consistency etc not sure how he can be blamed for others being shit.
They (Glazers) only loosened the purse strings due to us not making the Champions League IMO. They have never shown ambition as far as winning titles and European Cups etc like a club of our stature should. Making top 4 is more than enough for them. Rooney was spot on IMO
All? No, I wouldn't. But if the player is levels above all his teammates, then I probably would.
I would think supporters demand more from record signings like Pogba. I tried to watch as many United matches as I could last season, and for the most part Pogba just looked like he couldn't be bothered to run after the ball. He had what, 10 games or so where he looked like he put in some real effort?
Darren fletcher was a decent player for united because he had quality around him whilst he just did the simple things. Fletcher was a much better player than Mctominay is and we also have barely any quality in the side. On top of that, the quality that we do have (1 outfield player) is now wanting to leave. This Mctominay experiment is bound to fail
Laughable after reading some of your posts on here frankly.
Was long here before Pogba and will be long here after Pogba. My apologies for feeling like the club is being run by fecking morons right now who are running it into the ground
Look at the divide Pogba has caused on here, the poll for him to leave is 50/50 at the moment which I think says it all.
Your point about a top player putting 50% effort and still be better than average player running his socks off is a terrible logic and it is not what actually happen. Pogba himself was contained several times by average players while putting zero efforts.
First of all i don't even use social media like Instagram which you are clearly referring to. Second of all this makes absolute no sense. How can a person saying that on his social media ruin said player? By making him think he's better than he is so in turn he puts in less effort and blames the rest of the team? Is that the point you're making?
90% of the time? When’s the last time Hazard has turned up against us? 90% of the time? He was in a team that was close to relegation, was no where near us the season before and this season is probably the worst Chelsea teams I’ve witnessed under Ambramovic. Infact it is the worst.
Will have to disagree to agree there. A higher skilled person in any profession can achieve the same outcome with less effort than someone who is less skilled. Now that's not me excusing him for not putting in 100% effort. Thats me being annoyed how the fans are so easily OK with losing one of our very few players that do have a world class level of skill. It wouldn't matter as much had we had a great team littered with talent all over and him leaving wouldnt be a massive deal, however the fact is we dont. He's the only outfield player we had that looked like he could do anything, the rest wouldn't go amiss in a team like West ham. I hope the recruitment will be atleast sufficient but judging by Woodwards track record that is likely not going to happen.
Replace Pogba with Isco? It’s a terrible idea and goes against everything you was blabbing on about before. Tell me how Isco fits and how he works harder than Pogba? Real Madrid flipping can’t get rid of him. Pretty much says it all.
I mean who is arguing with you on your points? I don’t think anyone can possibly deny he is world class on his day. But he is not consistent and he wants to leave. He’s made that pretty clear. Isn’t it time we either play hard ball and make him stay and honour his contract or get a good return on our investment?
It's a dumb, biased poll because we're getting two quality players in return for him.
Hazard is much better and worked harder.
Of course not, I think if people remembered they could change their vote it would be different, never mind if it said we could get £150m for him and these three players (Rabiot, Tielemans, Fernandes) in return.
"Would you sell him for £150m?" would definitely be a better poll.
Since he takes the pens his position is basically favourite to top those stats.
If we get a sensible bid, £100m plus and he wants to leave, I’d let him go without a second thought. It’s not worked out for either party, take the money back and try a different approach. I’m not into slating him for the social media stuff etc but I wouldn’t want anyone to be at the club who didn’t want to be, that included Ronaldo who was the best player I’ve ever seen at United.
I don't disagree that he's our most talented player but it's more about our other players being poor rather than Pogba being that good this season. It's telling he didn't get our players' player or even fans player of the year.
