You can never build a squad around Pogba. He is not that type of player. Surround him with quality he will automatically look worldclass.
Pogba Future
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Although he did concede that embarrassing goal from a Pat Jennings goal kick in the '67 Charity Shield fixture.
Anyway, keeping on thread, the real villain of this saga is that toxic tub of lard he calls his agent. That's the real challenge, to get another massive payday (and probably not the last) from Pogba.
Can't see him moving this summer unless something drastic happens, we receive a huge offer or he throws a hissy fit, and I dont see either happening. The issue is that there aren't long lineups of quality players waiting to join us at the moment, we would struggle to spend the money properly. Ed and Ole should do a Fergie and sit down with Pogba, challenge him to raise his game for one more season and get us into the CL. Then next year we'll make his dream move come true and use the money for Sancho or whatever.
Don't get the point in keeping him around for another year if he wants to leave now. Real will only continue to unsettle him and it will distract him from the job at hand here.
This might be the best post in this thread.
Yep. I'm not even actually sure thinking about it that Ronaldo did this publicly? Maybe something about being a "slave" which was ridiculous, but never "I might well leave"
Pogba has been excellent in patches, and is by far out best player, but totally the wrong time to have him, where the rest of the team is such a mess.
Ad that contract goes down, we'll just have more and more nonsense, and probably petulance.
Hungry, fast, and high stamina have to be huge characteristics for any signings.
It's a no-brainer.
If he wants out, try to accommodate him.
The fantasy scenario where we play hardball and do a Mourinho style Schweinsteiger on him if the buyer won't cough up 200m and he starts sulking is just that - fantasy. It won't happen. Nor will the other fantasy scenario where he plays brilliantly in spite of wanting out because he's afraid of losing his berth for France. He'll be a huge problem at United if he enters next season thinking we've hindered a move to Real, or Juve, or wherever it is he's seeking a "new challenge".
Get it done quickly and move on.
I was seeking out another of your posts, with the word "circus" in mind to reply to it, and then found you using it twice in one line.
It's true. I've loved his quality and argued with many about him, but he's the most circus like since Beckham. And Beckham performed to a much higher percentage of his ability consistently.
I think you're slightly on the harsh side, as a lot of fans are when a player is leaving, or has left etc, but it's without doubt we had him at the wrong time. We have way too many issues in the team, and while he is "world class" that contentious phrase, he's not the "type" of world class player that you can rely on to turn the big games at the right moments, with perhaps a couple of exceptions in 3 years, such as City away, from 2-0 down.
I just don’t see anyone, that he’d want to go to, with the sort of money we would want for him - at the moment. We may be stuck for another year.
I’m not suggesting it’s the case, but possibly his outburst is born of frustration in our dealings in the transfer market so far, shared by many on here. IF we show some real ambition in the market I think we might see a much better, and happier, Paul Pogba.
Says stupid things at times without engaging his brain. It's funny but because he says it, that must mean he's going then. It's not like he hasn't done this before. It's not like other elite footballers haven't done this before either. It's the nature of it, and it's like dating a model, great to have on your arm but you know it's not gonna end in marriage. The utd move was just a train stopping at a station until it's ultimate destination of Madrid. I think the Dutch dude will be the same if he comes here. Pogba is superb but his legacy will be tainted in never fully reaching his potential as he can't apply himself to the here and now, he is a Peter Pan and still functions like a teenage boy at 27 thinking that it's everybody's problem not his. If he thinks Madrid is the place for him, then he's sadly mistaken. The teenage boy will have to grow up rapidly as those fans do not suffer fools gladly.
So sick of this boring and stupid narrative.
Means feck all if said influence is a detriment to the team because he only plays for himself and his precious stats.
I needed to take 24 hours to process these tragic news and I'm still shocked - what's even more shocking is Caf's attitude. Is it sour grapes? Refusing the acknowledge the nightmarish future that awaits us without Paul because he wants out? Or racism/xenophoby?
You can drone about "player power", "team sport", "reliance on single player" all you want, but the fact is that no other team in top 5 leagues relies on their star man as much as Manchester United do (statistically proven). PP wins matches on his own while the supporting cast would struggle to get playing time in U23s of elite clubs, let alone starting XIs. And what does he get in return? Questioning and abuse.
This is a player who led Juventus to countless domestic trophies and a CL final, led France to WC glory. This is a player who can choose between two continental juggernauts, clubs with world class players in every single position (+ some more on the bench) and elite staff in charge of scouting and recruitment. Good enough for them, but a struggling midtable team like us will let him go without a fight? Ridiculous.
We need to offer him a new contract - ASAP. Captaincy - ASAP. Assurances of world class arivals - ASAP. Like it or not, we've become Paul Pogba FC. There isn't a trace of quality left in our team once he's gone.
You can drone about "player power", "team sport", "reliance on single player" all you want, but the fact is that no other team in top 5 leagues relies on their star man as much as Manchester United do (statistically proven). PP wins matches on his own while the supporting cast would struggle to get playing time in U23s of elite clubs, let alone starting XIs. And what does he get in return? Questioning and abuse.
This is a player who led Juventus to countless domestic trophies and a CL final, led France to WC glory. This is a player who can choose between two continental juggernauts, clubs with world class players in every single position (+ some more on the bench) and elite staff in charge of scouting and recruitment. Good enough for them, but a struggling midtable team like us will let him go without a fight? Ridiculous.
We need to offer him a new contract - ASAP. Captaincy - ASAP. Assurances of world class arivals - ASAP. Like it or not, we've become Paul Pogba FC. There isn't a trace of quality left in our team once he's gone.
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The onus is not on us. We have no obligation to let him go until the market price is met.
To be honest I don't think the buying clubs value him as highly as the price tag we put on him. His value will probably drop next year as he's unhappy unsettled and has less time on his contract. Might as well cash in whilst we are already rebuilding the entire team.
We can't sell him, so we have to keep him. Why do you think Deschamps would select him if he doesn't do his best to play?
We are not going to do a Schweinsteiger since we are not telling him he's not wanted. We are telling him he's wanted, and if anyone wants you that much, they pay, and you give up all your bonuses related to loyalty or whatever. If not, here's the contract, play according to the contract.
Just get rid of him as soon as possible. We can't have him sidetrack our summer re-build. Take the money and spend it on a new spine for the team. He's had about 15 decent games in 3 years.
Well, unless you want to sign more Daniel James' for the midfield, I think we would struggle to attract talent for that re-build with the Pogba money. If rumours are to be believed then the likes of Rabiot are turning us down for Juve. Also some of you are acting like he's already throwing his toys out the pram, he isn't, he was just asked a question and being the direct kind of person that he is, spoke his mind. If Madrid doesn't come on strongly, I don't think he will push for it. Lets wait and see.
It's not good for us to keep him. He's not going to be much good to us unsettled, distracted and embroiled in a season long saga. We are rebuilding the squad and might as well sell at a high price this season.
So just get rid of him quickly? Has there even been a bid for this guy?
It's not good for us to give the power to the player. We are not having any of this nonsense.
Real are stirring the pot now, they want him on the cheap, feck them, I'd sell him yes but for top dollar, otherwise tell him he's staying!
I want rid of him, to much of a circus around him, but it's holding up other transfers I think, Woodward wants to keep him, He wants to go ? This is going to drag on till August ?
I want rid of him, to much of a circus around him, but it's holding up other transfers I think, Woodward wants to keep him, He wants to go ? This is going to drag on till August ?
Right...I get all that but my point is that Utd aren't really playing to a pattern - just relying on individual brilliance and moments so should he leave you're going to initially struggle to replace him as no-one is stepping up with the same output. When you have a player who is that influential (stats wise) in the team that are playing to no structure then you have problems IMO.
So you think this is why we brought back Phelan or ole?
Ignore it, a lot of the talk in here is baseless and emotional. I don't think many have thought about this properly for more than 5 minutes.
Edit - You got me.
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take your WUM nonsense elsewhere
just do what Liverpool did for Coutinho. Sell him for good price and replace him with 2 to 3 quality players. Pogba already stated he wants a new challenge. so time to move on for both parties. It is better to secure the replacement before selling him though otherwise you will need to overpay like Barca did with Dembele and Coutinho with Neymar's money.
Nice try, but you pushed the trolling a bit far with that one.
Him sulking will make it far worse. Turf him out.
i agreed with your assessment of Pogba's importance in MU but his head is already turned. He wants to be part of the Zidane project.
Yeah, if he wants to go, him and his agent need to find a club willing to stump up some serious cash and then fair enough, let him go.
My concern is what effect this might have on potential players we look to sign. We ended the season poorly, are not in the CL and our best two players apparently want out..
We had pattern and structure for a couple of months after Ole took over before fitness and injury wrecked it.
Onwards and upwards.
Great post. And for the same reasons I will hope he leaves for his own good.
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You're in denial. Only Messi and Ronaldo are more decisive for their teams, but Barcelona/Juve still have other world class players to make the difference when their leading men have a rare weak day. We don't, either PP does something or we're clueless.
Yeah, but our changed transfer strategy may still attract the profile of player we are after. AWB and Maguire would still come running to us, hypothetically Lozano would have too. I think Koulibaly would still join us if we had a bid accepted by Napoli.
After that we would definately be in a good position to secure top 4 and build from there.
There's still some hope we can convince him to stay. I'm a Manchester United supporter first, Paul Pogba fan second. Even though I completely understand his desire to leave, for our club it's essential that we keep him.
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What a bunch of kneejerk nonsense. McTominay was our most consistent player last season and is only getting better. Pereira still has that bit of Scholes in him that we've yet to see.
Splurge a little on 1-2 quality replacements for him now (i.e. before selling to Madrid), then make Madrid bend over backwards to sign him. If they offer us a fortune (160 million + pounds) right around deadline day take it and re-invest the money next year. Otherwise, hold on to him and be happy to have some real competition in the midfield areas. Working in the opposite direction (i.e. selling first then trying to replace) would put us in a very weak negotiating position as we look for replacements. In any case, he's good but not as good as the price tag and we'll be just fine once he's gone...and maybe better off if we re-invest well.
Dead cat bounce