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The worse thing is, you can genuinely believe the stupid numbers as well, its just ridiculous at this point
We need to be less kind with contract renewals
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The worse thing is, you can genuinely believe the stupid numbers as well, its just ridiculous at this point
It's just an example. Chill out. Like it's the most ridiculous thing ever. Unlikely maybe. Deluded hardly. Name me another English international attacking player that you could buy for less? None. zero. Nada. They may be forced to sell Erikson who knows. Doesn't have to be Tottenham. Even Shakter donesk managed to get 50 for fred.Imagine being this deluded
So De Gea can leave for free this summer?
It's quite astonishing how the clueless bald muppet has managed to tie up so many duds on long term deals.
Such as?
I've been mulling over a way to better manage salaries in football in general. It got me thinking of a salary taper. e.g. Instead of a flat £175k salary, start in Year 1 with £200k, Year 2 £175k, Year 3 £150k, Year 4 £125k.
If you perform well in year 1 you earn an extension and a reset to £200k (or maybe more). However if you don't perform, you are set for a pay cut. This would serve several purposes. Firstly it would motivate players driven by money, both in joining where they get a United premium and ongoing in order to maintain it. Secondly it reduces salary at the discretion of the club, they can decide to renew or not. Thirdly, successive under-performance ensures that the player's salary is closer to market rate for their level, meaning that if you sell you will not get ruined on the transfer fee.
Just a thought really and would most likely require collective application in the league to implement. I'd be interested to hear suggestions from others on how contracts could be managed differently.
If you perform well in year 1 you earn an extension and a reset to £200k (or maybe more). However if you don't perform, you are set for a pay cut. This would serve several purposes. Firstly it would motivate players driven by money, both in joining where they get a United premium and ongoing in order to maintain it. Secondly it reduces salary at the discretion of the club, they can decide to renew or not. Thirdly, successive under-performance ensures that the player's salary is closer to market rate for their level, meaning that if you sell you will not get ruined on the transfer fee.
Just a thought really and would most likely require collective application in the league to implement. I'd be interested to hear suggestions from others on how contracts could be managed differently.
I think a lot of our onfield trash performances stem from a dressing room discord regarding salary levels.Whilst the Club needs a radical shake up and restructure this summer it needs to totally revamp the contract situation.
All new first team players should sign a standard contract with a nominal remuneration of say £25,000 per week.Selection for match day squad warrants additional,actual appearance likewise,blank sheet and win bonuses etc plus all the other bolt ons would bring performing players up to desired salary level,don't just lob a player £250,000 per week guaranteed at day one and get a season of mediocrity in return.
Not a chance it will happen while the lunatics run the asylum.
Make it part of the contract that if a player doesn't re-sign with at least 2 years left on the contract, they get transfer listed. And stick to it regardless of the importance of the player.
No more being held to ransom and losing players on a Bosman.
No more being held to ransom and losing players on a Bosman.
I don't think its a question of being less kind to players who are performing, prime Rooney, Ronaldo, Van Persie et al were worth every penny, its just a question of not paying mediocre players galactico salaries. Liverpool have Mane, Salah etc. playing their bollocks off for a fraction of what some of our 'elite' players are earning; I'd even bet Rojo pulls more or less the equivalent of Van Dijk
We cannot get rid of players because of wages being so high. The cheek of some players asking for more than double their pay when they are not performing.
Smalling Martial Jones to start
I think we need to address the elephant in the room before handing out anymore contracts and thats Sanchez. You cant have that guy sitting their on nearly double what anyone else is earning. It has raised the expectations of every player we get into contract negotiations with.
We are never going to be able to sell him on these wages, but I honestly think paying him to leave will save us money in the long tern, improve the long term morale of the dressing room and realistically considering just how bad he has been since he arrived getting out of squad will improve us in purely footballing terms.
We need to start cutting our losses when we make a mistake, not just living with them as we don't want to seem foolish.
We are never going to be able to sell him on these wages, but I honestly think paying him to leave will save us money in the long tern, improve the long term morale of the dressing room and realistically considering just how bad he has been since he arrived getting out of squad will improve us in purely footballing terms.
We need to start cutting our losses when we make a mistake, not just living with them as we don't want to seem foolish.
Rojo is pretty obvious one aswell, signed new 4 year deal last year when he wasn't even a regular starter.
Crazy
Our wage structure is all kinds of messed up. We are overpaying because the club is desperate to hold on to their assets or attract players, because we are not an attractive club anymore.
The club is an easy mark for players who want to get paid big money for doing very little on the pitch. What have Rojo, Shaw, Jones etc done for us in the past few years for them to earn the big renewals they got?
One thing I'm worried about this summer is us throwing money at players with the wrong motivations and their agents.
The club is an easy mark for players who want to get paid big money for doing very little on the pitch. What have Rojo, Shaw, Jones etc done for us in the past few years for them to earn the big renewals they got?
One thing I'm worried about this summer is us throwing money at players with the wrong motivations and their agents.
Contracts in general, not just renewals.
It's not Vodafone … the best deals should be for the ones who have proved loyalty.
Give me someone that will cry like Kompany (and I hate the wierd headed fecker), becuase it might be his last match, all day long
It's not Vodafone … the best deals should be for the ones who have proved loyalty.
Give me someone that will cry like Kompany (and I hate the wierd headed fecker), becuase it might be his last match, all day long
Thought this was interesting in relation to our policy:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48519511
Losing them on free isn't neccesarily the best option if you look at it that way, but keeping them and counting on them as rotation option(when they clearly aren't good enough) is probably even worse. Now compare Sturridge with our Phil Jones situation.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48519511
Losing them on free isn't neccesarily the best option if you look at it that way, but keeping them and counting on them as rotation option(when they clearly aren't good enough) is probably even worse. Now compare Sturridge with our Phil Jones situation.
Even if we give our players away for free, the amount we save in wages would be ridiculous.
I have no figures but i imagine Jones to be earning around 10 times more than Tuanzebe.... Do we really think Tuanzebe can't give us what Jones does over a season....
Similarly TFM and Ashley Young.... Probably on around 10x more than Timbo and im pretty sure he can launch a ball down the line into no mans land just as well.
Part of the lack of desire within the team stems from how easy it is to be offered a generous renewal. the precedent has been set.
I have no figures but i imagine Jones to be earning around 10 times more than Tuanzebe.... Do we really think Tuanzebe can't give us what Jones does over a season....
Similarly TFM and Ashley Young.... Probably on around 10x more than Timbo and im pretty sure he can launch a ball down the line into no mans land just as well.
Part of the lack of desire within the team stems from how easy it is to be offered a generous renewal. the precedent has been set.
True we do offer long contracts to poor & injury prone players (Jones/Young)
Yet we also have a problem in offering contracts to the right players such as Herrera. I’m so gutted he’s gone as he’s actual quality & you could tell he loved the club yet we’ve somehow transpired to lose him
Yet we also have a problem in offering contracts to the right players such as Herrera. I’m so gutted he’s gone as he’s actual quality & you could tell he loved the club yet we’ve somehow transpired to lose him
Herrera apparently wanted 200+k a week. We also need to get rid of these mediocre players who want to take advantage of Woodward's weird sense of loyalty (Rashford is another who apparently wants wages that far exceed his ability). Herrera looks good among the crap that is most of the rest of the squad, granted, but he wouldn't start at any club better than us.
Because he is taking up a spot that would be better served with a young player who is cheaper but with strong upside.
Mata is good people but every spot that has a player that doesn’t contribute to a legacy plan is a wasted spot and wasted wages.
Mata has no long term future at United or at least he shouldn’t and he doesn’t fill a stop gap measure.
Much better to get a younger player the minutes that Mata gets to allow them to develop rather than keep him.
That was an old post from several months ago. I changed my mind now and honestly don't care about anyone leaving.
City and Pool are letting their deadwood leave on a free. We are giving our deadwood big extensions. The gulf will only get bigger.
Aside from the fact that we're spunking decent wages on deadwood, what kind of message does it send to the considerable number of underachievers we have in the squad? Doesn't matter how average you've been, there'll always be a spot for you here. Young, Jones, Rojo, Darmian and Mata should all have been gone by now.
Absolute mess of a club.
Some of notable players weekly wages
Kane --- 200K
Deli Ali --- 100K
Eriksen --- 80K
B-Silva --- 120K
Sterling --- 180K
Mane --- 100K
How come clubs like Spurs,City,Pool manage to tie down contracts for top players on a such low weekly wages?
I think City really progressed in right direction by not offering Sanchez loads of cash and put a cap on salaries while negotiating the deals of current players.
Kane --- 200K
Deli Ali --- 100K
Eriksen --- 80K
B-Silva --- 120K
Sterling --- 180K
Mane --- 100K
How come clubs like Spurs,City,Pool manage to tie down contracts for top players on a such low weekly wages?
I think City really progressed in right direction by not offering Sanchez loads of cash and put a cap on salaries while negotiating the deals of current players.
I don't think you can include City in there, as it's pretty likely they're being paid a second wage off the books - as per those leaks.
But the rest - yes.
When Mata signs back on for a wage that'd make him a top player at another top 6 club you really do have to ask what we're using as a benchmark.
Look at Mata, he plays RW or CAM. We have 2 very talented youngsters in Greenwood and Gomes who should be getting the games Mata will get.
We need to be more ruthless, excluding players up to the age of 21, give a player two seasons max to prove themselves or they either get loaned out or sold off, the likes of Barca, Man City, Madrid dont mess about and a club with our resources should be working towards the same mentality.
The worst part about it is to think about how much money could be going into new signings and instead is going into the pockets of players given questionable contract renewals...
Some of these figures are out of date. Sterling just signed a new contract at 300K. Mane just signed a new contract as well. Eriksen is so low because he has refused to sign a new contract and only has one year left.
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This club never learns.
Just as I thought they were getting better with the contracts. Unbelievable. Ole must be happy with this as well.
He’s considering other options apparently from abroad
Makes no sense to extend TFM. Turning 23 and entirely mediocre and nothing more than a reserve level player. Hope he takes the offers elsewhere, I don't get why we just extend everyone for no reason.
And as soon as we gave Brandon a 50K a week deal, Ole stopped fancying him.
We still desperately lack a DoF.
We still desperately lack a DoF.
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Reminds me of when the Caf was overjoyed to see Inter taking Young off our hands and the club then tried to give him a new contract to get him to stay
I vaguely get the logic. Every team needs an ok player who will never be a first teamer but can cover various positions. If Ole is purely looking at numbers (who will be my 3rd choice RB if two get injured, who will be my 5th choice CB in an injury crisis etc). And for the relatively low wages he's probably a good shot.
That said, I'm not sure what it says about his ambition to achieve things as a footballer if he accepts.
Don't know what's more ludicrous.
Even offering the 1-2 games a season Fosu M such a long term deal, or him rejecting it!
Even offering the 1-2 games a season Fosu M such a long term deal, or him rejecting it!
Glad hes rejected it. He is clearly out of his depth at this level.