Pogba Future

[sp_107]

Would you take Cabellos (Next Modric) in a Swap deal?

90-100 mil + Cabellos for Pogba and

buy Bruno and Aaron's from that 100?

We could increasingly look better with those 3 signings ?

 

[Jig1234]

I don't think Juve/Madrid will be able to afford Pogba. Even if he wants to leave. I do find the reaction to his comments about wanting a new challenge laughable.

Also to all the people throwing out names of swap deals/player exchanges. Why would Dybala want to come here? - How long will he want to stay, will we hate him if later asks to leave. I think these types of deals are messy and only benefit Juve/Madrid in that they end up paying less. Just get as money as possible and use it to sign players that are what we need. Instead of taking players because it is convenient.

Is Pogba the first player ever to ask leave a football club? - Has Hazard not flirted with Madrid for years? Last week Lukaku called Conte the best manager in the world and it didn't get nearly as much attention as this.

I think some Utd fans are struggling to realise that we are not a great force anymore. It is a old simple truth, but good players will always want to leave shit clubs. Sorry if harsh reality of where Utd are at the moment offends you. The longer Utd fail to challenge for titles the harder it becomes to keep our best players. Yes, we can afford to sign players like Pogba but in our current state it is not realistic to think we can match the ambition of these kind of players.

I do think Utd are in such a sad state and we all need someone to blame. But we have been awful for years, long before Pogba arrived. I think there are bigger issues at play. The recruitment at this club is horrendous. There needs to be more consistency in how we sign players in terms of wage structure, transfer fee and player age.

I don't know if Pogba will stay or leave. But I would not blame anyone for wanting to leave this current Utd. It has no direction or identity. I also don't know why anyone want want to join us either. In the last six years we have become a club where good players come to die. I don't look at Utd and think this is a club that will develop young talent, you don't come to Utd to get better, you come and end up regressing or become worse. But you'll get very paid well so it is fine.


For me the signing of Pogba is strategic. Sign Pogba for £90M because he is one of the best midfielders in the world but is also marketable as hell. What Utd needed was further investment in defence, midfield and attack but for Woodward/Glazers it is much cheaper to sign a 1 Ferrari than a few. I bet they thought Pogba was so good he can mask the deficiencies of the entire squad. Also, Mourinho has to be blamed for not having a clue how to maximum the major asset Woodward gave him.

Pogba doesn't owe Utd anything. He might not have lived up to the expectations and been as good as we hoped, but who has? - Pogba failure has more to do with the club's recruitment and direction. I posted on here before we even signed Pogba that him alone won't solve Utd's problems. You can't take a player of that ilk. Playing for a Juve side with a better defence, midfield partners and fluid attack and give him Smalling, Matic, Jones, Herrera, Lukaku and think this is going to work. Pogba is the ideal player at the wrong time. He would have been perfect if we had a solid back four, adequate midfield partners and an attack that functions properly.

I think 19/20 season might end up being our worst post-Ferguson. Another summer of poor recruitment and mediocre players being offered extensions and new deals.
I don't see Utd doing enough in the market to bridge the gap on the teams above us. I also expect teams like Everton, Leicester and Wolves to improve and challenge for a European spot next season. Just staying in Europe next season will be a challenge.

 

[Wheato]

Many sided with Pogba against Mourinho. I see he's not getting the same benefit of the doubt with Solksjaer.

Mourinho was a cancer. He burned all of his bridges and set the toxic tone for his final season. Pogba was benched. And as soon as Pogba was brought back into the side and the attacking mentality was embedded with Ole, we saw immediate improvements. And Pogba was integral to this spike in form. Unfortunately, we didn't have the fitness levels to sustain this form. Pogba is still our best player, but if he doesn't want to be here, then why soldier on with him spitting his dummy out for another season. His stock is high, so we should do a Coutinho and cash in. We can use the money to bring in some much needed quality. Will we miss him, yes. But we need to re-build a team, and not hang on to people who's heart isn't in playing for this club. Paying him half a million a week to stay is insulting. It's like begging your wife to stay and paying her to sleep in the spare room. Plenty more fish in the sea.

 

[Halal Jalal]

It's not a new challenge he wants anyway...it's an easier challenge. He looks at City and Liverpool, sees how much better than us they are and that we're probably not going to compete domestically for another year or two so wants to go back to Juve where the league for next season is basically already won, and he might get an extra cup and better chance of a champions league run too.

Bin him off. Can't stand all the publicity and whatever around him. Everything is about Pogba. On his day, yes, he's excellent. But how many days has he had in the last 3 years? Count them on one hand I reckon. From the reported €150 million, you could build most of the midfield that actually works for the style of football Ole is aiming for.

1. If that were the case, I'm 100% sure he'd stay. But lets be honest here, assuming we get everything right (pretty much the opposite of what is actually happening) we're so far behind City and Liverpool that we can only dream about challenging them in next 5 years. Paul has no faith in the project here, and you can hardly blame him when we have non-manager OGS and Ed the clown in charge.

2. Again, can you blame him? The fans adored him (still do) and Juve provided excellent platform for him to perform. Here on the other hand, he's constantly abused and forced to carry a team comparable to Everton (if we're being kind). At Juve, he can team up with the GOAT and break their CL curse. Is that not a challenge? Certainly a more attractive one than fighting against Wolves and Leicester for EL qualification.

3. Previous season alone, he's had enough "his days" to become the third most decisive player in top 5 leagues, only behind the GOATs Messi and Ronaldo So quite a few, I'd say.

4. Ole said himself that his target is to build the team around Paul, acknowledging his world class quality and utmost importance for Manchester United. So I'm not sure how PP's departure would be beneficial to anyone.

 

[roonster09]

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[elnorte]

You see what you want to see. Not hard to search for old posts/threads.

Mourinho received a fair amount of criticism for the way he isolated the players and Pogba in particular.

Probably rightly so but the way Pogba's form picked up after Solskjaer came in was offered as proof that the player was not at fault. Of course this line of thinking has now changed rather significantly in the weeks and months that have followed.

As for me I don't particularly care for any of them. No dog in this fight.

 

[Canagel]

Some of the posts here makes it sound like we've been dumped and are very bitter.

Because they know deep down we're in trouble when he's left even from the outside if it appears bitter. United falling even further is a serious possibility if it's best player is gone and no-one trusts the board to make the right moves in the market.

 

[cyberman]

Because they know deep down we're in trouble when he's left even from the outside if it appears bitter. United falling even further is a serious possibility if it's best player is gone and no-one trusts the board to make the right moves in the market.

Yeah, as if Pogba hasn't been heavily criticised by our own fanbase since he's been here.
Utter nonsense. Fans trying to use this as a sign of the apocalypse are way off.

 

[Gandalf]

I don't think Juve/Madrid will be able to afford Pogba. Even if he wants to leave. I do find the reaction to his comments about wanting a new challenge laughable.

I thought the same to be honest but there was an excellent article on the BBC website yesterday that made clear that Real can comfortably afford Pogba without even selling anyone. Looking at the explanations given I would assume the same logic applies to Juve so if they want to meet our price they can.

 

[clarkydaz]

So he wants Juve not the Real ? Is this the new challenge for him ? to re-win everything he already won there ?

Bastard.

What happened to the dream of every footballer to play for madrid and zidane?

 

[Patrick08]

I thought the same to be honest but there was an excellent article on the BBC website yesterday that made clear that Real can comfortably afford Pogba without even selling anyone. Looking at the explanations given I would assume the same logic applies to Juve so if they want to meet our price they can.

Let them bid 200m Euros then. Felix kid went for 120m euros.

 

[Jig1234]

I thought the same to be honest but there was an excellent article on the BBC website yesterday that made clear that Real can comfortably afford Pogba without even selling anyone. Looking at the explanations given I would assume the same logic applies to Juve so if they want to meet our price they can.

But what is odd is how people are just starting jumping on his comments to leave and saying silly things. Do these people hate Pogba more than they love Utd? - We need to receive a suitable offer before he can leave. He might end up staying. Do these people plan of booing him at OT. Not celebrating if he scores. No need to be overreact. He might get sold or he might stay. Let's just wait and see and put the pitchforks away. Wanting to leave a club that isn't challenging for one that is, is not a crime. Pretty sure we signed players from other clubs for similar reasons in the past. We'll move on regardless of what happens.

 

[Patrick08]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/19/paul-pogba-manchester-united-sell

Journalists in England, busy writing shitty articles.

 

[Jinn]

Many sided with Pogba against Mourinho. I see he's not getting the same benefit of the doubt with Solksjaer.

To be fair, Jose always had a miserable attitude. You expect him to upset people, so it's not hard to believe that he may have said or done something to upset players.
I Ole's case, nobody would believe he's being an ar#%ole to his players.
You reap what you sow I suppose.

 

[Peyroteo]

Would you take Cabellos (Next Modric) in a Swap deal?

90-100 mil + Cabellos for Pogba and

buy Bruno and Aaron's from that 100?

We could increasingly look better with those 3 signings ?

Cebollas would be better

 

[rotherham_red]

Because they know deep down we're in trouble when he's left even from the outside if it appears bitter. United falling even further is a serious possibility if it's best player is gone and no-one trusts the board to make the right moves in the market.

fecking hell. I've read some sorry posts on this forum over the years, but this one takes the biscuit. We've handled relegation, bankruptcy, a fecking airplane crash, and even swapped the GOAT for a one-legged Michael Owen, an Ecuadorian drug mule, and the Easter Island statue in human form and the club survived to tell the tale! Pogba isn't Ronnie, and hasn't even looked close to him in his three years here.

I love Pogba, but he's gone too far with his BS and right now, I couldn't care less if he stayed or left. We're not in any way shape or form on the brink of oblivion, and if he were to leave I'd say now is the best time for the club with us needing to rebuild anyways. In fact, I'd be happy to oblige all three of Pogba, Lukaku and De Gea's wishes to leave and just focus on having a core group of players who can grow together and take it from there.

 

[Stevondo8]

1. If that were the case, I'm 100% sure he'd stay. But lets be honest here, assuming we get everything right (pretty much the opposite of what is actually happening) we're so far behind City and Liverpool that we can only dream about challenging them in next 5 years. Paul has no faith in the project here, and you can hardly blame him when we have non-manager OGS and Ed the clown in charge.

2. Again, can you blame him? The fans adored him (still do) and Juve provided excellent platform for him to perform. Here on the other hand, he's constantly abused and forced to carry a team comparable to Everton (if we're being kind). At Juve, he can team up with the GOAT and break their CL curse. Is that not a challenge? Certainly a more attractive one than fighting against Wolves and Leicester for EL qualification.

3. Previous season alone, he's had enough "his days" to become the third most decisive player in top 5 leagues, only behind the GOATs Messi and Ronaldo So quite a few, I'd say.

4. Ole said himself that his target is to build the team around Paul, acknowledging his world class quality and utmost importance for Manchester United. So I'm not sure how PP's departure would be beneficial to anyone.

1). I’m not. He seems to me to be the sort that likes the easy life and rather than work to get us back to where we should be, he wants to leave for a league where, domestically at least, there is no real challenge.

2) did we not finish fairly comfortably ahead of wolves/Everton despite falling apart at the end of the season. Currently do not subscribe to theory that we’re suddenly scrapping for top half. Winning CL with Juve, I’ll give you that as an attractive challenge however.

3) Stats can be used to support any argument, he may have been our top goal scorer, but half his goals were penalties. I’d like to think we have other players capable of scoring penalties.

4) I don’t dispute that he can be world class, but it doesn’t happen often enough. That may be in part to his attitude but also in part the quality around him. Fair enough. But for me, he’s all about himself rather than the team.

 

[Canagel]

1). I’m not. He seems to me to be the sort that likes the easy life and rather than work to get us back to where we should be, he wants to leave for a league where, domestically at least, there is no real challenge.

2) did we not finish fairly comfortably ahead of wolves/Everton despite falling apart at the end of the season. Currently do not subscribe to theory that we’re suddenly scrapping for top half. Winning CL with Juve, I’ll give you that as an attractive challenge however.

3) Stats can be used to support any argument, he may have been our top goal scorer, but half his goals were penalties. I’d like to think we have other players capable of scoring penalties.

4) I don’t dispute that he can be world class, but it doesn’t happen often enough. That may be in part to his attitude but also in part the quality around him. Fair enough. But for me, he’s all about himself rather than the team.

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So how do you explain this? How can he be "only about himself" when he's the only one producing for the team? Is he making the other players bad? I don't get..He's not only our top scorer he is topping every department while our well oiled machine rivals has 5/6 players sharing the duties. A joke was made about "Pogba FC" or something but this is exactly what we have become whether we like it or not- akin to Barca's reliance on Messi. The other one man team in PL just sold him to Madrid.

 

[mitchmouse]

You can, like how media is making it sound like some special bonus when every player gets loyalty bonus.

no.. the story is it is being paid as he tries to leave the club

 

[roonster09]

no.. the story is it is being paid as he tries to leave the club

It's as per contract. He finished one more year.

 

[mitchmouse]

It's as per contract. He finished one more year.

but the story is it is being paid to a player not showing much loyalty - therefore not, as you say, taken out of context or twisted by the media. the story is that someone who isn't showing much loyalty is getting a loyalty bonus but if you don't want to see that, OK

 

[roonster09]

but the story is it is being paid to a player not showing much loyalty - therefore not, as you say, taken out of context or twisted by the media. the story is that someone who isn't showing much loyalty is getting a loyalty bonus but if you don't want to see that, OK

It's called loyalty bonus doesn't mean it's paid when you praise the club or not want to leave. He will complete one more year which means as per contract he is entitled X million.

 

[flappyjay]

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So how do you explain this? How can he be "only about himself" when he's the only one producing for the team? Is he making the other players bad? I don't get..He's not only our top scorer he is topping every department while our well oiled machine rivals has 5/6 players sharing the duties. A joke was made about "Pogba FC" or something but this is exactly what we have become whether we like it or not- akin to Barca's reliance on Messi. The other one man team in PL just sold him to Madrid.

Does most possession won mean getting the ball from the other team and keeping it?

 

[lsd]

The same people who want rid of him are saying we need to spend 200 million to replace him

 

[mitchmouse]

Does most possession won mean getting the ball from the other team and keeping it?

and shame the graphic doesn't show things like "most times lost ball in dangerous situation/by keeping it too long and trying to be clever"

 

[RedStarUnited]

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So how do you explain this? How can he be "only about himself" when he's the only one producing for the team? Is he making the other players bad? I don't get..He's not only our top scorer he is topping every department while our well oiled machine rivals has 5/6 players sharing the duties. A joke was made about "Pogba FC" or something but this is exactly what we have become whether we like it or not- akin to Barca's reliance on Messi. The other one man team in PL just sold him to Madrid.

I was coming to ask this same question in here. To all the people that hate him and say he is useless. How sad is it that a useless player is basically our everything? and what does it say for us as a team if he goes.

 

[Canagel]

Does most possession won mean getting the ball from the other team and keeping it?

The job of a competent DM. Pity he's our DM, CM, CB and ST at once. Maybe he should have been the GK too and save all the goals.

 

[RedFish]

200 million GBP lump sum.

 

[Seveneric]

While I'm sure the RM fans I know and the ones on Twitter aren't representative of all Madrid fans, it's funny to see that a player that United fans are so desperate to keep lest the team be relegated or something, is the same player a portion of Madrid fans are vehemently rejecting.

 

[clarkydaz]

I was coming to ask this same question in here. To all the people that hate him and say he is useless. How sad is it that a useless player is basically our everything? and what does it say for us as a team if he goes.

that we will have to play with 10 players every week?

 

[Sandikan]

and shame the graphic doesn't show things like "most times lost ball in dangerous situation/by keeping it too long and trying to be clever"

I bet you even moan when he scores don't you

 

[Stevondo8]

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So how do you explain this? How can he be "only about himself" when he's the only one producing for the team? Is he making the other players bad? I don't get..He's not only our top scorer he is topping every department while our well oiled machine rivals has 5/6 players sharing the duties. A joke was made about "Pogba FC" or something but this is exactly what we have become whether we like it or not- akin to Barca's reliance on Messi. The other one man team in PL just sold him to Madrid.[/QUOTE]

Not allowed to imbed yet but...Top goal scorer - takes the pens, if rashford, martial, lukaku took pens and one of them would have been pushing 20 goals this season.

Most assists, fair enough, but probably expected of our main player.

Most fouls won and take ons are presumably symptomatic of the amount of time he holds on to the ball for...which admittedly could be due to lack of trust in those around him so he feels he has to do it all himself.

The rest I can’t really see on my old rubbish phone.

When I said he seems to be all about himself earlier, what I meant was, IMO, everything seems to be about promoting his brand. It’s all “look at me”. Where’s the stat for possession lost in own half?

When I watch united, pogba is the player who infuriates me most because he can be so good, but so often is one of the worst players on the pitch.

 

[::sonny::]

Would you take Cabellos (Next Modric) in a Swap deal?

90-100 mil + Cabellos for Pogba and

buy Bruno and Aaron's from that 100?

We could increasingly look better with those 3 signings ?

Ceballos + Bale + 100 millions

 

[mitchmouse]

I bet you even moan when he scores don't you

I bet you never take off those rose-tinted glasses

 

[reelworld]

I've only just seen his Instagram story.

Ince, Heinze, Hargreaves, Tevez, Pogba

There's your legacy Paul, you absolute knob

That's ridiculous.

Ince, Heinze, Hargreaves, Tevez won league titles with United

 

[TsuWave]

That's ridiculous.

Ince, Heinze, Hargreaves, Tevez won league titles with United

whilst playing in much better teams and with arguably the best manager of all time. None of them ever had the responsibility of carrying 9 outfield bums on their shoulders and over the hill or unproven managers on their back.

also, i agree with this tweet:

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[Mart1974]

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So how do you explain this? How can he be "only about himself" when he's the only one producing for the team? Is he making the other players bad? I don't get..He's not only our top scorer he is topping every department while our well oiled machine rivals has 5/6 players sharing the duties. A joke was made about "Pogba FC" or something but this is exactly what we have become whether we like it or not- akin to Barca's reliance on Messi. The other one man team in PL just sold him to Madrid.

He might be the best player for Utd, but that is like being the best looking man in the serious burns ward. The competition is not exactly strong...

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[Eriku]

He might be the best player for Utd, but that is like being the best looking man in the serious burns ward. The competition is not exactly strong...

Sure, but it should give the people who can’t wait to get rid of him a modicum of pause.

 

[Full bodied red]

whilst playing in much better teams and with arguably the best manager of all time. None of them ever had the responsibility of carrying 9 outfield bums on their shoulders and over the hill or unproven managers on their back.

also, i agree with this tweet:

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C'Mon.....

You've been told a million times - Don't exaggerate

Or are you Raiola in disguise ??

We're not what we were, but we're a Top 6 team, with some decent but admittedly underperforming EPL players.

Pogba just has to contribute more than he has up to now - he certainly isn't expected to carry 9 outfield bums on his shoulders simply because most of us have longe since recognised that he isn't good enough to do it himself half the time let alone carry the other 9....who, by the way, have been carrying him quite a lot this past season.