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Dear Steve,
My name is Michael Richard Pigeon and I am five years old. I'd just like to express my gratitude to your party for vigorously defending my right to wear underwear on the top of my head. Not since the days of Winston Churchill, whom I shared a dorm with when we were but lads, have we seen such a character of scrupulous intentions towards the plight of the truly forgotten souls in our glorious nation.
Yours, always, Michael Richard Pigeon
Damn, got me before the edit Chief!Dear Master Pigeon,
I can almost visualise Rees-Mogg writing that letter egged on by his friend (and fellow leaver) Ethelred the Unsteady.
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Brainwash is a term from the Seventies, essentially. Nice going, '10 year old'.
We had a woman come in to assembly and do a presentation when I was c12-13 about how the EU had given us a passport, an anthem and I can't remember what else. It was the worst sales pitch ever to a bunch of bored kids.
What? Your social welfare is dreadful compared to most of the EU. Your dole isn't even half of what we get in Ireland.
So what has his age got to do with anything.
If anything, he is even more entitled to ask because for sure it is going to be his generation that will be more affected.
What the feck has that got to do with anything? The discussion started from Boston which is in Ingland
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Whilst very transparent this is actually clever from Nigel and I hate these tactics.Tweet
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Remarkable that he and his team thought anyone would believe this.
There’s so much to unpack, what 10 year old knows to capitalise the P in Party when referring to a political entity. Or the use of ellipses, and not an speck of smeared ink or crossed out mistakes?
Plus what 10 year old is called Jim?
It's that obvious it has to be a plant. They know liberals will come out in big numbers to call BS and Brexiteers will double down. They've seen a few points drop in opinion polls since the EU elections and this kind of nonsense keeps the divide, the us versus them and solidifies his support. We see it with Trump's blatant lies all the time, it's all planned.
The problem is, I don't blame people for coming out and outright mocking Nigel for this because it's that obvious, but that's exactly the outcome they've wanted from it. Played perfectly.
This is bizarre framing. Is he saying that Jeremy Corbyn should've helped vote through May's deal in order to head off no deal and Farage, and that the PV campaign stopped him?
That’s a very convenient poll for the current Labour leadership (Milne, McCluskey etc) and does not tally with voting at the recent European elections. Most of the no deal mob either don’t understand what no deal means (it’s not an add on to the status quo) or are too old and wealthy to care. If only there was an effective opposition from the supposed party of the working man to this act of national self-mutilation. But instead of Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown or Miliband, we have a thick as two short planks* superannuated student protester..
*private school and E at A-level. That’s alnost an achievement.
It does.
No deal = Brexit + UKIP = 33.7
Hard leave = Tories + DUP = 9.5
Soft leave = Labour = 13.7
Remain = LD+CUK+Greens+SNP = 19.6+3.5+11.8+3.3 = 38.2
What seems to be happening is that the majority of the Tory and some of the Labour vote is going to no deal, while the rest of the labour vote is going into 2nd ref.
This is unfair on Corbyn, who is (at least to my eyes) well-read and thoughtful, and as shown in that FT piece regarding Oxford - high academic achievement doesn't correlate with suitability for high office.
Some academic achievement does though. Can't think of many politicians who come across as dumber than Corbyn, despite there being no shortage of politicians who look a few fruits short of a fruit salad.
Leaving school with two Es at A level after prep schooling is immensely impressive in its own way.
Come on, he’s not some working class kid fighting the odds. He was a posh kid who was sent to the school for rich thick kids (see also Martin Edwards). He still is which is why he is utterly unsuited to responding to the current crisis created by the Tories.
Firstly well done for having so much confidence while also talking so much shite. Clearly those labour giants you mentioned have had a effect on you.
I thought losing a referendum and then losing EU elections(The Brexit Party won)might show to some that this country doesn't like or want to be in the EU(And sadly you'll lose if there's another referendum)
You've had your shite marches, you've painted your faces blue and yellow and have spent millions of pounds trying to change people minds. Of all which has made the country hate you even more.
It turns out brexit isn't about the breakdown of liberal politics, English nationalism or that neoliberalism has failed. Brexit happened because Corbyn didn't talk to enough Yorkshire coal miners and failed his a levels.
Truly breathtaking political analysis you've got there mate.
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I just read it as PV due to the way it has campaigned since leave won has turned anyone who is for leaving the EU into hard believing NO dealers.
If peope like Campbel are on television saying with a straight face, leave voters has been lied to, then all your going to do is radicalise people. David Law pretty did Godwin Law and compared conservatives to the nazi. Plus(I'm not sure if PV had anything to do with this)the revoke article 50 online petition was easily the worst thing to happen in the hell world we live in.
All of this is in part why Labour position or really non position has been crap, its not because Jeremy Corbyn wants to secretly do THE BREXIT! But because that they know another refendum isn't a clear winning position.
Is there something in the water over there right now? Something must be destroying critical thought
How's this any different to how Corbyn and the left react to Tories and centrists etc? For years you've been arguing that to win and to get what you want in politics you need to be forceful and full of conviction instead of pretending you don't believe what you actually believe. Why's it any different for the PV campaign?
I don't think Corbyn is remarkably intelligent compared to his peers but shite performance in school doesn't necessarily correlate with what your intellectual ability will be 40-odd years later. Plenty of people who flop academically sort themselves out and end up doing just fine.
I'm always so utterly, utterly depressed when I see this familiarly common attitude from some on the left.
Firstly well done for having so much confidence while also talking so much shite. Clearly those labour giants you mentioned have had a effect on you.
I thought losing a referendum and then losing EU elections(The Brexit Party won)might show to some that this country doesn't like or want to be in the EU(And sadly you'll lose if there's another referendum)
You've had your shite marches, you've painted your faces blue and yellow and have spent millions of pounds trying to change people minds. Of all which has made the country hate you even more.
It turns out brexit isn't about the breakdown of liberal politics, English nationalism or that neoliberalism has failed. Brexit happened because Corbyn didn't talk to enough Yorkshire coal miners and failed his a levels.
Truly breathtaking political analysis you've got there mate.
Even Corbyn describes Brexit as damaging. Yet you see his acolytes directing more anger at people for daring to try to do something about it than you do at the idea itself.
Funnily enough, those doing it also profess to care about the most marginalised in society and yet rather than actually fecking do something about the one policy that will do most damage to those marginalised it's become an exercise in ideological purity.
It's absolute peak champagne socialism.
The differece you have to understand the crisis your in and create a narrative. Post 2008 the Left has had one, The PV post refendum hasn't.
There's a difference between been forceful and full conviction because of both your political idoeology and your analysis of the current political crisis which result into trying to creat a masse base and well...... shouting guardian headlines at rallies and calling people stupid for not agreeing with you.
Yeah you get to feck with your marches and campaign. I'll vote remain if there is another referendum but thats it.
Nothing is to good for the working class.
Brexit Party won over 50% of the vote in the EU election did they?
Oh, you speak for ‘the country’ now do you?
See, case in point isn't it?
Yeah you get to feck with your marches and campaign. I'll vote remain if there is another referendum but thats it.
Nothing is to good for the working class.
You're offering no objections to the suggestion that Brexit is bad for the country, but flat out refuse to do anything to stop it except snipe.
There's no doubt whatsoever that the Remain campaign desperately needs a more radical voice.
It's why its so fecking frustrating that those that could provide it have been engaged in an active process of completely refusing to do anything about it other than complain that that vacuum that exists has been filled by voices you don't like.
Hey let's be fair. It's possible that he's just very, very stupid. Doing a PhD on your mates doesn't automatically make you a smart man.
Nah your right Brexit is bloodly brilliant. My frustration is with his shite all Remain campaigns how been.
Like who for example ?
The best alternative was to united behind some form of soft Brexit when Remain lost with maybe a future peope vote(Labour answer was simply - let the members vote on Brexit policy)
Instead liberals lost there shit, tried to get rid of the only socalist leader the Labour Party has had, called anyone who voted leave mental ill, Campbell as the spokesman of campaign, voting in the millions to just fecking stopping Brexit(Truly a genius political act) and invited Michael heseltine to speak(P.s The People vote try to deselect one Labour MP - Ian lavery, former member of the NUM)
Sorry again why are you mad that left and radical voices are not showing up ?
Still even with the mountain full of shite the People vote has done, Corbyn has came for a people vote and any future Remain vote in another referendum would have the left vote.
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The Brexit Party(A party only formed only months ago which has only policy - No deal)came top in the EU elections(Beating the most Remain -ish party by 10 points)
Plus the Brexit is polling around 2nd or 1st in national polling.
It's sadly doing very well for a party with one policy.
Which just shows what we’ve known since June 2016, half the country wants Brexit, and half doesn’t. It’s the biggest political event of our time, and both the big parties are making a total arse of it.
Well we agree here.
The PV campaign have a clear narrative though, you just don't like or agree with it fully, hence this bizarre stance where committed EU Remainers are somehow bad because they alienate the right, but leftists (some of whom will fall into the former bracket) who support Corbyn are acting in good faith and somehow executing an ideal political strategy when they slate Tories and Blairites constantly. There really isn't all that much of a difference, it's just that the latter inspires your confidence whereas the former doesn't. Which is fine, if that's where your politics lie, because we're always going to be more sympathetic to our own side, but I'm struggling to see what the difference is.
But the committed Remain parties beat out the committed Leave parties (if we're excluding Tories and Labour here).