#GlazersOut

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We have a bunch of fans furious because we aren't signing players fast enough. Would love to know how many fans complaining about Old Trafford's facilities have ever been.
Why are you straw manning this into thinking it’s mainly about ’not signing players fast enough’? That’s not what’s at the core of this campaign, only a small symptom. Go on social media and you will see the vast majority are talking about the Glazers causing United to lose money and not be competitive in the long run.
 

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They've stopped all the phone ins.Paddy Crerand show gone. Seems they are getting the message.
 

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We have a bunch of fans furious because we aren't signing players fast enough. Would love to know how many fans complaining about Old Trafford's facilities have ever been.
Your assumption is that it's because of signings.. mine are it is people who are quickly getting fed up with a business proclaiming it is the best in the world yet acting like a mid table side.

And why do you have to go to complain?
 

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Dunno but if there's a God there will be a downpour of Biblical proportions and then some.
Yep if there's a god he'll definitely be on the side of the Glazers - righteous, kind-hearted people that they are. And he'll definitely be against those evil feckers that want the best for Manchester United - those guys are going straight to hell.

Weirdo.
 

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Dunno but if there's a God there will be a downpour of Biblical proportions and then some.
Do you not think the glazers have utterly leeched us dry out of interest?
Someone said they'd taken a billion pounds out in their time with us.
 

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Bet the Glazers are landed with all the people turning up to the megastore today :drool:
 

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I wish all the luck to all local fans that are protesting today. My biggest hope is that we get some of the club's legends to start leading the way, and then it will really gather even more momentum and publicity!
 

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Yep if there's a god he'll definitely be on the side of the Glazers - righteous, kind-hearted people that they are. And he'll definitely be against those evil feckers that want the best for Manchester United - those guys are going straight to hell.

Weirdo.
Oh lighten up you tart, most of those driving the Glazer out campaign are already wet behind the ears, and it is in Manchester ffs

Hoping for frogs and locusts next time. x
 

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Would be great if I could somehow leech United, but that's not in the plan for at least 7 more years.

Anyway, how many thousands are expected today?

Is there a camera outside Old Trafford we could check?
 

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One of the worst articles I have read in my entire life. Not only does the author not understand the ideas behind the "Glazers out" movement, he also seems to think us fans should just accept that we are a corporation now and it should be none of our business if the owners leech money out of the club.

Guess what - even in business terms we are stakeholders to Manchester United and our only interest should be the good of the club, not our greedy ignorant owners.
 

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Exactly. As soon as I'd read the bit that said 'significant blocs of United fans called for Sir Alex Ferguson’s head throughout his tenure despite all the success he delivered' it was clear what type of article this would be.
Embarrassed that was shared. It's literally the epitome of confirmation bias if you read that full thing and think it's in any way "an interesting read" :lol:
 

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It isn't but it's still not to be sniffed at, when we were the best in the land SAF had to make do with £25m a year.
No it's not but SAF had less under the Glazers because they were managing a loan they created and before that our revenue was smaller. Before you credit the Glazers for our growth look at the other established clubs in the PL and see what their % growth was under the same period, you'll find out they all grew in a similar fashion. The Glazers aren't some magic money men, who did wonders like some apologists keep using as an excuse for them.

They are using the club to line their pockets, which is their right, they do own the club but I personally don't have to like it, or keep my opinion to myself.

I am convinced they have no ambition beyond top 4, It took Moyes season for them to start releasing transfer funds. SAF kept saying there's no value in the market, I believe he simply wasn't given funds.

The lack of transfers last season was because we finished 2nd and they believed the team was good enough to make top 4. I don't buy that bullshit that they lost faith in Mourinho and cut the funds, why keep him on as a manager if they did? I can bet anything that when we establish ourselves in the CL spots the funds will be cut significantly. It is all about profit for them and if they feel that the reward is less than the cost, they won't invest for just the glory.
 

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It isn't but it's still not to be sniffed at, when we were the best in the land SAF had to make do with £25m a year.
You cannot compare Sir Alex's time to today. 25m used to be a fortune. Its now a promising youngsters price
 

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The money they've spent on transfers, and continue to do so suggest otherwise.
This is true, or certainly post Moyes anyway, so why do they seem content to have someone who clearly doesn't know what he's doing spending this money, and hiring all these failed managers, that's the real mystery here.

If they had just spent some of the money on getting the structure right, then we might have actually achieved something with all that has been spent since SAF went, yet the regime of failure is still in place, so the only conclusion is that they think Ed is doing a good job, which for them he probably is, just not for us.
 

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The money they've spent on transfers, and continue to do so suggest otherwise.
Are you saying they've put money in?
Or have they simply allowed the club to spend a minimum amount of its own money so their investment stays so hugely profitable?
Only upping the spending after particularly disastrous seasons.
 

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Not sure if it's true or not but I hear that only around 35 fans turned up at the protest today. Surprisingly poor if true.
 

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Not sure if it's true or not but I hear that only around 35 fans turned up at the protest today. Surprisingly poor if true.
Was arranged with about a week's notice, by someone with a very shady history, on the hottest day of the year during pre-season while plenty of fans are probably on holiday. Better done with more notice, during the season like before we play against Chelsea.
 

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They invested 200 million to buy one one of the largest sports companies in the world and mortgaged the club to pay for the rest.
Having made a fortune out of the club for next to no investment they still continue to take money out and have the club pay their mortgage. They have absolutely no shame when it comes to milking the club.
Yep I'm aware what they've done in regards to the buyout. It's a common business practice.

Far from ideal but they've invested and it blows this myth apart when you constantly read "they Glazers haven't invested a penny", which is something I routinely read of the anti movement.

When the CEO says "On the field performances don't matter or affect the commercial side of the business"

Success to the Glazers is commercial not on the field and in that regard they are winning.

As for why do they make Mourinho the best paid manager on the planet? Because we have a recent history of overpaying for things... Lingard, Sanchez, Mourinho and even now Ole is supposed to be on obscene wages in comparison to his worth.

Nobody is saying they want to fail, they just don't give a shit about the footballing side of the business when the commercial side is strong.
Well, he is right.

Haven't we remained profitable throughout this period of under performing?

As for Jose he was the supporters choice, now we've dipsticks like you pretending they never wanted him and it was all Woodwards idea and it was ridiculous to consider hiring him.

The Glazers are parasites, it's frankly odd that you have so much invested in defending them, are you some kind of neckbeard libertarian?

The debt already has damaged us, the PIK loans are a shady area of high risk finance due to the extortionate interest applied by the creditors.

You keep on bleating about "but the wuvvwy glazers used some of their OWN money to pay off the PIK loans" like we should be incredibly thankful for that, that they used some of their own cash at an opportune moment to keep the wolf from the door and protect their assets short term future.

Like all parasitic financial operations including hedge funds and private equity, of course they don't want the host organism to fail. If the host dies their ability to make money from the asset dies too. They invested in the team when it was too late, and they have made stupid decisions as per the running of a football club. The "earning ability" of the club, is fundamentally based upon its success on the field. They have been successful so far in increasing commercial revenues, but long term that won't continue if the team isn't winning. They have no interest in the club other than as a commercial entity, doubt they even like football.

You can bleat on about "leveraged buy outs happen all the time" blah blah but the fact is leveraged buy outs tend to be amongst the shady areas of financial practise that are frequently criticised for their anti social effects. Fans have got every right to complain about who the owners are and how they run the club. The fans are the lifeblood of the club, they provide the revenues, fans. If they don't like what's being delivered, or the fact their club was bough with high risk loans, or that the owners don't seem to know how to run a successful football team, then they have every right to complain. And no amount of neckbearding, libertarian, condescending sh*te is going to stop them. So your claptrap is in vain I'm afraid.
Again I'm just correcting this narrative they've not invested. They have.

Also the highlighted part, feck me I legit fell outta my seat reading it. The irony, brilliant Sir, truly brilliant.

A fecking twitter trend to rid the club of its owners and your telling me my claptrap is in vain.

I've said from the start on here if folks want to protest by all means go ahead... but doing it via a feckin twitter trend and thinking it'll work, won't.

How do you think they paid off those loans?

No actual evidence of that, but it suits the narrative so roll with it.
 

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No actual evidence of that, but it suits the narrative so roll with it.
You think they paid off the PIK loans with their own capital? If the Ronaldo money was not spent towards the PIKs why did United replace him with Valencia, Obertan and free agent Michael Owen?
 

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Here's the end product of your twitter trend folks....

What's currently trending now in relation to the protest is little more than a joke!