Fair enough.
United's biggest problem - Our spoiled and overly entitled fan base
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Well dunno about you but its not like i have your pic on my wall to throw darts at . We had our back and forth regarding some things, there must be some things we share similar views even by chance.Can’t believe I agree with you on this issue
Ah, so it's OK for you to abuse fans, but you don't like it when you get a name applied to you?
Btw, my first game at Old Trafford was in 1985 - if you're older than that then you should really know better.
Well see I can spin that on its head and say do you think its OK for supporters to be spoiled and constantly demand? What right have we to demand anything?
We support, through good times and bad! It's in the term..."support"er.
Win or lose I'll still watch every game I possibly can.
Constantly moaning online or thinking match day protests are for the betterment of the club I don't see it.
I see 2 club legends at the club and about to start their first full pre season / season but the majority of the focus is on off field matters.
I'd prefer to focus on the positive change of outlook this summer and get behind the lads myself
I genuinely wonder if a lot of people on here don’t have friends, family, relationships, jobs, hobbies, any other interests or pursuits. The amount of emotional energy that people exert here is ridiculous.
Great post! I both agree and disagree with the points that you have made.
I think you are totally correct that the United fan base has been spoilt (although not over the past six years). But yes before that, we have enjoyed unparalleled success at home and in Europe. We have bought many of the best players, played the most exciting football, had the most successful academy, boasted the biggest stadium, cultivated the most successful brand, won the most trophies and been managed by the most successful manager in the history of English football. Spoilt? Yes, just a bit! United set standard; they were standards that we should rightly seek to maintain and continually aspire to. They were standards that inspired others too. We often knock Liverpool fans, but one thing I will give them credit for is that they never, ever let their team or opposing fans forget the traditions of their club. This despite the fact that it has been 30 years since they last won a league title. Now they are Champions of Europe again. Why should United fans feel any differently when or if we see the standards of our club being compromised?
In recent years, United fans have had to subsist on thin gruel. Surely you are not suggesting that we should shrug our shoulders and whistle dixie? The truth is that when you set expectations high then people will have high expectations. United fans are justifiably angry that the club has squandered the inheritance of the Ferguson years with poor managerial choices, ineptitude in the transfer market and Laurel and Hardy-like management in the boardroom. With the vast resources available to United is it unreasonable for fans to expect performances and conduct that are worthy of the rich and longstanding traditions of the club?
An area where I do think that you have aa good point is with regard to transfers. I think we have become seduced by eye-candy. We are addicted to marquee signings and big names. We think that will make us great, whereas looking at recent years, it has made us something of a laughing stock. Remember Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Depay, Mkhitariyan and Sanchez? By an measure they were a complete waste of money. By contrast, our great rivals Liverpool have done business that makes the money-men at United look like rank amateurs. Robertson bought for under £10m; Salah, Mane and Fabinho all bought for under £40m and where they have spent really big like on Van Dijk (£75m) and Allison (£67m) they have proved to be absolute bargains. The problem is not that we don't have money to spend, it is that we don't know how to spend money.
A qoute from grrm on his repsonse to GOT ending which backs up how stupid this thread is
"The Internet is toxic in a way that the old fanzine culture and fandoms, comics fans, science fiction fans in those days, was not.
"The Internet is toxic in a way that the old fanzine culture and fandoms, comics fans, science fiction fans in those days, was not.
Ha, I bet you've never even set foot in Old Trafford - I can see through you from a mile off.Well see I can spin that on its head and say do you think its OK for supporters to be spoiled and constantly demand? What right have we to demand anything?
We support, through good times and bad! It's in the term..."support"er.
Win or lose I'll still watch every game I possibly can.
Constantly moaning online or thinking match day protests are for the betterment of the club I don't see it.
I see 2 club legends at the club and about to start their first full pre season / season but the majority of the focus is on off field matters.
I'd prefer to focus on the positive change of outlook this summer and get behind the lads myself
He's a joke poster who never has anything substantive to say
I can assure I have.
But you prove my point, standard elitist nonsense about match attendance and weather you've a ticket in the Stretford or not. We've supporters in our ranks that spend life savings and travel across the world to attend a match as a life long dream being belittled often by locals who are lucky enough to attend every week as its within a few miles of them.
We have a lot of fans who have only known continued domestic success, but a lot of the frustration is all a part of supporting the club. Football is tribal, and after raising the standards, it's only right to be critical when standards fall.
For some people football is only a game, but for others it's a major part of their lifestyle.
For some people football is only a game, but for others it's a major part of their lifestyle.
You're the guy who has been belittling our fans throughout this entire thread and others. You must spend about 10 hours a day writing your lengthy paens to the Glazers (whose only interest is money) , and simultaneously abusing loyal United fans (whose only interest is the good of the football club). What does that say about you?
I only take issue to the folks partaking in the idiotic twitter trend.
I've said numerous times already if they want to protest at least do it with a solid foundation and on valid points. Some of the shite going round recently on twitter is a farce.
I sure as hell don't feel one bit bad about distancing myself from it.
I’m happy with the signing of AWB because he’s better than what we have in our starting 11. He should start straight away. The fact he’s young and English is obviously a bonus.
James isn’t going to start straight away and I doubt we will see him more than 5-10 times this season. Langstaff is the same. We have glaring gaps in our starting 11 yet looking to buy two youngsters costing £45m combined who won’t improve that situation. We all know we won’t spend much more than £120m so 1/3 of our budget has gone on two players that won’t change our situation for another season.
If we buy talented youngster they still need to be better than what we have or at the very least be able to slot in a make an impact as a Premier League player.
I’d love to be proved wrong on James but we signed Dalot who was at Porto, was being banded about as the next best RB across Europe with less than 10 first team appearances. He can’t defend to save his life and we have gone out there an effectively replaced him after one season.
We will spend way over 120 million I imagine
Completely agree and it's a huge reason I've abandoned 90% of online interactions, I've stopped visiting multiple forums, don't bother with twitter etc. People in general are ignorant and short sighted and I'd get lost down a rabbit hole if I consistently tried engaging them. I rarely see much posted, especially twitter, that makes much sense or has any real thought or consideration put into it. People follow the media narratives they're fed in little 240 character snippets and are so incredibly easy to manipulate.
You're not 'distancing yourself', you're making it a personal crusade to defend a family whose only interest is making money, and at the same time abusing loyal United fans. It's not hard to see that there is an agenda there.
James will probably be squad player alright, with Europa to contend with we've a load more extra games this season coming so I'd say he'd get at least 15 starts which is a very good starting point.
AWB I think will go right in at RB with Young dropping to the bench and acting as back up.
We do have gaps in our squad but so do others around us, its only City & Liverpool who have stolen a march on the rest of us. Spurs stick lack big game mentality and lose most big matches. Eriksen and Toby haven't signed new deals either. They need to add to their thread bare squad as is and have done for a number of years. Chelsea little better and lost their best player, they are going to seriously struggle for goals next season and can't address their issues now with their ban and Arsenal are well, they are Arsenal and will struggle for 4th I'd imagine.
Dalot is a young kid btw and we signed him when he had a broken leg and has had issues with fitness and adapting to the league as does often happen.
Time is on his side so there's no reason why he can't step up still.
So when someone voices an opinion that differs to yours it automatically becomes a "crusade".
Give over
It's simply me highlighting some areas that have obvious lies and half truths about them and funny you mention the word agenda cause that very much is the foundation of the anti glazer movement.
Once Fergie kept winning titles folks shut up for the most part cause things carried on regardless, the Glazers have supported his successors as well and we've an annual salary bill of £330m (highest in the league) and spent approx £1b on players.
How those players end up is not on the board, it's on the player themselves to focus and work hard and make the best of their chance and the manager to utilize them to the best of their abilities.
No, it becomes a crusade when somebody writes literally hundreds of lengthy missives in support of a super-rich family of money-grabbers, whilst simultaneously abusing those fans who have the audacity to comment on the state of our playing squad, the amount of money taken out of the club or the state of our ageing stadium.So when someone voices an opinion that differs to yours it automatically becomes a "crusade".
Give over
Not true. The Green and Gold campaign came slap bang in the middle of a run of league wins and a recent CL league win. But you'd know that as you're such a genuine fan - right?
Fans being positive or negative will not affect the players and the manager performance on the pitch. So, no, the fans are not the problem. The fans have been patient enough and they deserve more from the richest club in the world.
Question is , will the gypsy curse placed upon our club now be lifted given that Moyes 6 year contract has ended ?
Is it finally over ?
Is it finally over ?
Depends on the point made, detail is sometimes needed. Sometimes one line will suffice. So when I add detail to my sentiments it automatically is a "crusade"?
Fact is you just don't like to see or hear anything that differs from your opinion. So attach labels to it in a lame attempt to under mine it.
And how did those protests go? Amounted to little and league titles followed and the protests died off.
Online fandom of anything eventually dissolves into a cesspool if they believe they're not getting what they were promised (for their investment of nothing but their own time). The fans in the stadium will continue to back the team until it looks like things are turning to shit again.
I'm (rightly or wrongly) enthusiastic about the new season because I'm interested in seeing what kind of team Ole puts together. I'd rather be optimistic than sit at home seething in front of a computer to no one's detriment but my own. Life's too short to choose being a miserable cnut as a hobby.
I'm (rightly or wrongly) enthusiastic about the new season because I'm interested in seeing what kind of team Ole puts together. I'd rather be optimistic than sit at home seething in front of a computer to no one's detriment but my own. Life's too short to choose being a miserable cnut as a hobby.
Just because protests haven't worked before doesn't mean they should never be attempted again. Lube yourself up and bend over. Actually, no need for the lube cos they're going in anyway.Depends on the point made, detail is sometimes needed. Sometimes one line will suffice. So when I add detail to my sentiments it automatically is a "crusade"?
Fact is you just don't like to see or hear anything that differs from your opinion. So attach labels to it in a lame attempt to under mine it.
And how did those protests go? Amounted to little and league titles followed and the protests died off.
You’re absolutely right of course, protests can be a valid way of protesting a club’s ownership. However joining in with any Tom, Dick and Harry is not going to get rid of the Glazers. The current protests are born out of a desire to have more transfers immediately, it’s evident from a more cursory glance of social media. What we need is a form of protest that has clear issues with the Glazers based in facts and has meaningful ways of protesting. Joining in with knobs photoshopping Wan-Bissaka into green and gold and demanding more signings is not the way.
Also of course this has a knock on effect on players. Of course it does. You only have to see how an intense atmosphere can inspire a team or cause them to wilt.
We have so much shit in last 6 years that still have not moved on, ie, jones, smalling, young, lingard, rojo(actually a really good CB, but too often injured)
Smalling, Jones, Young and Lingard were some of the better players in their respective positions last year for United. We are trying to change that by targeting players in their positions.
What atmosphere? Stadium atmosphere? if yes, then your claim about social media fans is not valid. But if you mean social media atmosphere, then God help us all about our snowflake players.
The hate for some of our players is embarrassing, especially players that put in 100 percent every week. Smalling has probably been our best centre back for something like 5 out of the last 7 years and is worth his place in the squad but spoilt fans want us to get rid every year. Young stepped up and did a good job at full back, his form went downhill badly in the 2nd half of the season but it's not his fault we had no-one better, and no-one will have been more pissed off than young himself.
I can understand it a bit more with players like Martial and Pogba whose desire can sometimes be questioned but still, we should support our own.
I can understand it a bit more with players like Martial and Pogba whose desire can sometimes be questioned but still, we should support our own.
So, in other words, it was better in the good ol' days?
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This tweet sums it up
Sums up how pathetic twitter cnuts are.
Yeah you could say it's our biggest problem
If you were a moron.Yeah you could say it's our biggest problem
That's a bit harsh, there's a lot of truth in it.
What that United's fanbase is it's biggest problem?! There is literally no truth in that it's pure wind-up, click-bait, bullshit.