Wumminator
The Qatar Pounder
Fair enough.Wait until after the window before claiming that. 60 odd million is not splashing the cash in 2019.
Fair enough.Wait until after the window before claiming that. 60 odd million is not splashing the cash in 2019.
Well dunno about you but its not like i have your pic on my wall to throw darts at . We had our back and forth regarding some things, there must be some things we share similar views even by chance.Can’t believe I agree with you on this issue
Well, that’s just because you don’t have my picWell dunno about you but its not like i have your pic on my wall to throw darts at . We had our back and forth regarding some things, there must be some things we share similar views even by chance.
Ah, so it's OK for you to abuse fans, but you don't like it when you get a name applied to you?Folks constantly posting demands, what else am I to assume but an inherent bratty, spoiled attitude?
Gas, I've supported United longer than you've probably been alive.
But do carry on with your ridiculous and incorrect assumptions....
Well see I can spin that on its head and say do you think its OK for supporters to be spoiled and constantly demand? What right have we to demand anything?Ah, so it's OK for you to abuse fans, but you don't like it when you get a name applied to you?
Btw, my first game at Old Trafford was in 1985 - if you're older than that then you should really know better.
I genuinely wonder if a lot of people on here don’t have friends, family, relationships, jobs, hobbies, any other interests or pursuits. The amount of emotional energy that people exert here is ridiculous.While we have plenty of one and off field problems which have nothing to do with the attitude of our fans, however the state of the present day United supporter, especially the overly emotional ones, is really cringeworthy.
The whole "world is going to end" narrative some fans have drawn up has grown tiresome and is more 'embarassing' than the clubs actions themsleves. Here, we have people constantly pretending as if we're in some absolute historic low in the club's history which is laughably wrong. Even worse are the people who keep crying about Wolves and Leicester being better than us.
I criticise the club plenty myself and fans are absolutely correct in doing so. However, there has to be a line drawn somewhere when you cross over from rational criticism and into hysterical overreacting children.
Great post! I both agree and disagree with the points that you have made.Yesterday United's young talented goalkeeper Joel Pereira turned 23. He's a fringe player in the squad and unlikely to ever make much of an impact. He's only been involved in the first team on three occasions and only one of those was a start in a Premier League match. A meaningless end of season game against Crystal Palace. To celebrate the player's birthday, United's twitter posted a fairly innocuous birthday message. And then it began.
"Announce Wan-Bissaka" said the first reply. The next was a picture of the Crystal Palace right back in a United shirt. Posts flooded in saying that the club was 'embarrassing' for not announcing the new Manchester United player. Conspiracies floated around that United would be announcing the signing a day late to coincide with an anti-Glazer protest that is apparently planned. Details of this event seem sparce, but seem to involve tweeting a lot by fans who live in foreign countries. Apparently United would be so upset by a few thousand tweets that they would be willing to change the details of a £50 million pound signing.
This recent idea that United are 'embarrassing' seems to have seeped into everyone's consciousness. United are trying to get new scouts. 'Embarrassing'. United sign a few hungry young players from the Premier League. Embarrassing. United are linked with big money moves for Bale or such like players. Embarrassing. But it becomes painfully obvious reading this forum, reading social media or comment sections on websites, that is the behaviour of the fanbase that is increasingly embarrassing.
United currently spend the most on wages in the Premier League. The club has spent 300 million on transfers in the last three summer windows and recouped about 50 million of that. They are the only big club to have spent money in the Premier League so far. They are the biggest spenders in the league so far this window. But that isn't enough for some United fans. They inundate message boards across the internet asking for more investment, more transfer activity and specifically signing players that they have identified on Football Manager.
The fact is United are currently operating in the right way. We have signed a talented young player from lower leagues. Response to this signing has been mixed, almost as if signing players from Championship clubs is beneath us. Nevermind the small outlay or the potential of the young player, he's already written off by some. We have followed this up by clearly improving a weak area in our squad with a defender who was statistically the best right back in the league last year. We have got him for a reasonable fee with plenty of time left. Still some complain that he isn't announced, like that matters in any way shape or form.
United fans complain about the lack of 'deadwood' moving on, but we have taken steps to sort this with Valencia, Fellaini and Wilson leaving the club. Players such as Darmian and Rojo are expected to join them shortly afterwards. These deals take time, but fans are impatient, desperately trying to get the next hit of dopamine from a transfer rumour posted by a Reddit ITK.
It is not acceptable at this stage to be so miserable about United's upcoming chances. As a fanbase we need to get behind the players. A few years ago we laughed as Klopp had his players celebrate after a 2-2 draw with West Brom. But Liverpool fans bought into what was happening and despite a relatively low spend since then, Klopp has been immensely successful.
United have a new season starting soon. We are spending money, improving the squad and working towards getting back to our perch. It might not work, but please stop being so overly dramatic, especially before a ball is even kicked. Let's get behind our young legendary manager and our new team and see if we can kick on.
Ha, I bet you've never even set foot in Old Trafford - I can see through you from a mile off.Well see I can spin that on its head and say do you think its OK for supporters to be spoiled and constantly demand? What right have we to demand anything?
We support, through good times and bad! It's in the term..."support"er.
Win or lose I'll still watch every game I possibly can.
Constantly moaning online or thinking match day protests are for the betterment of the club I don't see it.
I see 2 club legends at the club and about to start their first full pre season / season but the majority of the focus is on off field matters.
I'd prefer to focus on the positive change of outlook this summer and get behind the lads myself
He's a joke poster who never has anything substantive to sayAgreed!
Cause I dare offer a different opinion to him I'm a "shill".
Almost every comment he posts has no substance, its just name calling.
I can assure I have.Ha, I bet you've never even set foot in Old Trafford - I can see through you from a mile off.
You're the guy who has been belittling our fans throughout this entire thread and others. You must spend about 10 hours a day writing your lengthy paens to the Glazers (whose only interest is money) , and simultaneously abusing loyal United fans (whose only interest is the good of the football club). What does that say about you?I can assure I have.
But you prove my point, standard elitist nonsense about match attendance and weather you've a ticket in the Stretford or not. We've supporters in our ranks that spend life savings and travel across the world to attend a match as a life long dream being belittled often by locals who are lucky enough to attend every week as its within a few miles of them.
I only take issue to the folks partaking in the idiotic twitter trend.You're the guy who has been belittling our fans throughout this entire thread and others. You must spend about 10 hours a day writing your lengthy paens to the Glazers (whose only interest is money) , and simultaneously abusing loyal United fans (whose only interest is the good of the football club). What does that say about you?
I’m happy with the signing of AWB because he’s better than what we have in our starting 11. He should start straight away. The fact he’s young and English is obviously a bonus.Not until they prove themselves, its just money spent at the moment. Success has to follow for it to be made up for.
As United supporters we should know better than any of late that spend doesn't automatically mean success. I'm doubtful Hazard will step up as he will be expected too. Jovic is a young kid and talented as he may be again its a huge, huge step up.
Even with 3 CL on the bounce, ZZ left due to not having funds to spend and has only returned now with the cheque book being opened again.
I don't think we've made a mistake this summer at all, how is buying talented young, hungry players a mistake?
We can't have it both ways in that we don't want superstar signings and don't want talented kids with potential.
James and AWB are steps in the right direction, we could do with some experience in there alright but I'm very happy with both signings and direction we are taking under Ole / Mike.
We will spend way over 120 million I imagineI’m happy with the signing of AWB because he’s better than what we have in our starting 11. He should start straight away. The fact he’s young and English is obviously a bonus.
James isn’t going to start straight away and I doubt we will see him more than 5-10 times this season. Langstaff is the same. We have glaring gaps in our starting 11 yet looking to buy two youngsters costing £45m combined who won’t improve that situation. We all know we won’t spend much more than £120m so 1/3 of our budget has gone on two players that won’t change our situation for another season.
If we buy talented youngster they still need to be better than what we have or at the very least be able to slot in a make an impact as a Premier League player.
I’d love to be proved wrong on James but we signed Dalot who was at Porto, was being banded about as the next best RB across Europe with less than 10 first team appearances. He can’t defend to save his life and we have gone out there an effectively replaced him after one season.
Completely agree and it's a huge reason I've abandoned 90% of online interactions, I've stopped visiting multiple forums, don't bother with twitter etc. People in general are ignorant and short sighted and I'd get lost down a rabbit hole if I consistently tried engaging them. I rarely see much posted, especially twitter, that makes much sense or has any real thought or consideration put into it. People follow the media narratives they're fed in little 240 character snippets and are so incredibly easy to manipulate.Yesterday United's young talented goalkeeper Joel Pereira turned 23. He's a fringe player in the squad and unlikely to ever make much of an impact. He's only been involved in the first team on three occasions and only one of those was a start in a Premier League match. A meaningless end of season game against Crystal Palace. To celebrate the player's birthday, United's twitter posted a fairly innocuous birthday message. And then it began.
"Announce Wan-Bissaka" said the first reply. The next was a picture of the Crystal Palace right back in a United shirt. Posts flooded in saying that the club was 'embarrassing' for not announcing the new Manchester United player. Conspiracies floated around that United would be announcing the signing a day late to coincide with an anti-Glazer protest that is apparently planned. Details of this event seem sparce, but seem to involve tweeting a lot by fans who live in foreign countries. Apparently United would be so upset by a few thousand tweets that they would be willing to change the details of a £50 million pound signing.
This recent idea that United are 'embarrassing' seems to have seeped into everyone's consciousness. United are trying to get new scouts. 'Embarrassing'. United sign a few hungry young players from the Premier League. Embarrassing. United are linked with big money moves for Bale or such like players. Embarrassing. But it becomes painfully obvious reading this forum, reading social media or comment sections on websites, that is the behaviour of the fanbase that is increasingly embarrassing.
United currently spend the most on wages in the Premier League. The club has spent 300 million on transfers in the last three summer windows and recouped about 50 million of that. They are the only big club to have spent money in the Premier League so far. They are the biggest spenders in the league so far this window. But that isn't enough for some United fans. They inundate message boards across the internet asking for more investment, more transfer activity and specifically signing players that they have identified on Football Manager.
The fact is United are currently operating in the right way. We have signed a talented young player from lower leagues. Response to this signing has been mixed, almost as if signing players from Championship clubs is beneath us. Nevermind the small outlay or the potential of the young player, he's already written off by some. We have followed this up by clearly improving a weak area in our squad with a defender who was statistically the best right back in the league last year. We have got him for a reasonable fee with plenty of time left. Still some complain that he isn't announced, like that matters in any way shape or form.
United fans complain about the lack of 'deadwood' moving on, but we have taken steps to sort this with Valencia, Fellaini and Wilson leaving the club. Players such as Darmian and Rojo are expected to join them shortly afterwards. These deals take time, but fans are impatient, desperately trying to get the next hit of dopamine from a transfer rumour posted by a Reddit ITK.
It is not acceptable at this stage to be so miserable about United's upcoming chances. As a fanbase we need to get behind the players. A few years ago we laughed as Klopp had his players celebrate after a 2-2 draw with West Brom. But Liverpool fans bought into what was happening and despite a relatively low spend since then, Klopp has been immensely successful.
United have a new season starting soon. We are spending money, improving the squad and working towards getting back to our perch. It might not work, but please stop being so overly dramatic, especially before a ball is even kicked. Let's get behind our young legendary manager and our new team and see if we can kick on.
You're not 'distancing yourself', you're making it a personal crusade to defend a family whose only interest is making money, and at the same time abusing loyal United fans. It's not hard to see that there is an agenda there.I only take issue to the folks partaking in the idiotic twitter trend.
I've said numerous times already if they want to protest at least do it with a solid foundation and on valid points. Some of the shite going round recently on twitter is a farce.
I sure as hell don't feel one bit bad about distancing myself from it.
James will probably be squad player alright, with Europa to contend with we've a load more extra games this season coming so I'd say he'd get at least 15 starts which is a very good starting point.I’m happy with the signing of AWB because he’s better than what we have in our starting 11. He should start straight away. The fact he’s young and English is obviously a bonus.
James isn’t going to start straight away and I doubt we will see him more than 5-10 times this season. Langstaff is the same. We have glaring gaps in our starting 11 yet looking to buy two youngsters costing £45m combined who won’t improve that situation. We all know we won’t spend much more than £120m so 1/3 of our budget has gone on two players that won’t change our situation for another season.
If we buy talented youngster they still need to be better than what we have or at the very least be able to slot in a make an impact as a Premier League player.
I’d love to be proved wrong on James but we signed Dalot who was at Porto, was being banded about as the next best RB across Europe with less than 10 first team appearances. He can’t defend to save his life and we have gone out there an effectively replaced him after one season.
So when someone voices an opinion that differs to yours it automatically becomes a "crusade".You're not 'distancing yourself', you're making it a personal crusade to defend a family whose only interest is making money, and at the same time abusing loyal United fans. It's not hard to see that there is an agenda there.
No, it becomes a crusade when somebody writes literally hundreds of lengthy missives in support of a super-rich family of money-grabbers, whilst simultaneously abusing those fans who have the audacity to comment on the state of our playing squad, the amount of money taken out of the club or the state of our ageing stadium.So when someone voices an opinion that differs to yours it automatically becomes a "crusade".
Give over
Not true. The Green and Gold campaign came slap bang in the middle of a run of league wins and a recent CL league win. But you'd know that as you're such a genuine fan - right?Once Fergie kept winning titles folks shut up for the most part cause things carried on regardless, the Glazers have supported his successors as well and we've an annual salary bill of £330m (highest in the league) and spent approx £1b on players.
Fans being positive or negative will not affect the players and the manager performance on the pitch. So, no, the fans are not the problem. The fans have been patient enough and they deserve more from the richest club in the world.The point - which I could have phrased better - is that right now, we seem to be in a pretty positive place.
New signings coming in that clearly should improve us in key areas. Talk of a vision and planning in the long term. A legend as our manager. Owners who are splashing the cash. A lot of players who are no longer needed being shipped out.
It’s just we know these things will take time. So why not be positive and come along for the ride.
In the longer term, there may be a structural reshuffle, but we have no idea how it could work out.
Depends on the point made, detail is sometimes needed. Sometimes one line will suffice. So when I add detail to my sentiments it automatically is a "crusade"?No, it becomes a crusade when somebody writes literally hundreds of lengthy missives in support of a super-rich family of money-grabbers, whilst simultaneously abusing those fans who have the audacity to comment on the state of our playing squad, the amount of money taken out of the club or the state of our ageing stadium.
Not true. The Green and Gold campaign came slap bang in the middle of a run of league wins and a recent CL league win. But you'd know that as you're such a genuine fan - right?
Just because protests haven't worked before doesn't mean they should never be attempted again. Lube yourself up and bend over. Actually, no need for the lube cos they're going in anyway.Depends on the point made, detail is sometimes needed. Sometimes one line will suffice. So when I add detail to my sentiments it automatically is a "crusade"?
Fact is you just don't like to see or hear anything that differs from your opinion. So attach labels to it in a lame attempt to under mine it.
And how did those protests go? Amounted to little and league titles followed and the protests died off.
You’re absolutely right of course, protests can be a valid way of protesting a club’s ownership. However joining in with any Tom, Dick and Harry is not going to get rid of the Glazers. The current protests are born out of a desire to have more transfers immediately, it’s evident from a more cursory glance of social media. What we need is a form of protest that has clear issues with the Glazers based in facts and has meaningful ways of protesting. Joining in with knobs photoshopping Wan-Bissaka into green and gold and demanding more signings is not the way.Just because protests haven't worked before doesn't mean they should never be attempted again. Lube yourself up and bend over. Actually, no need for the lube cos they're going in anyway.
Also of course this has a knock on effect on players. Of course it does. You only have to see how an intense atmosphere can inspire a team or cause them to wilt.Fans being positive or negative will not affect the players and the manager performance on the pitch. So, no, the fans are not the problem. The fans have been patient enough and they deserve more from the richest club in the world.
Smalling, Jones, Young and Lingard were some of the better players in their respective positions last year for United. We are trying to change that by targeting players in their positions.We have so much shit in last 6 years that still have not moved on, ie, jones, smalling, young, lingard, rojo(actually a really good CB, but too often injured)
What atmosphere? Stadium atmosphere? if yes, then your claim about social media fans is not valid. But if you mean social media atmosphere, then God help us all about our snowflake players.Also of course this has a knock on effect on players. Of course it does. You only have to see how an intense atmosphere can inspire a team or cause them to wilt.
So, in other words, it was better in the good ol' days?"The Internet is toxic in a way that the old fanzine culture and fandoms, comics fans, science fiction fans in those days, was not.
Sums up how pathetic twitter cnuts are.Tweet
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How on Earth are people bothered by that?Tweet
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Yeah you could say it's our biggest problemHow on Earth are people bothered by that?
The state of our fan base.
If you were a moron.Yeah you could say it's our biggest problem
That's a bit harsh, there's a lot of truth in it.If you were a moron.
What that United's fanbase is it's biggest problem?! There is literally no truth in that it's pure wind-up, click-bait, bullshit.That's a bit harsh, there's a lot of truth in it.