Moyes was way ahead of everyone.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Sheffield-United-defender-Harry-Maguire.html
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No CB outside the top 6 is good enough? So you would rather look at an Arsenal defender than a proven guy like Maguire? There is a reason why City is in the chase too. Maguire is class. My only criticsm of going after him is that we did it 2 years too late. We should have signed him from Hull before Leicester did. But because we didn't, now we have to pay over the top. So if we don't sign Maguire, I'd rather our scouts earned their pay and found the "next Maguire". Especially considering Leicester doesn't have to, and doesn't want to sell. Gone are the days of picking off talent from clubs below us. All teams are rich now, so if we want to get him, we have to pay. Amazing how much we like to underrate players from EPL teams below us. I imagine if we were going after VVD a couple years ago we would have heard the same arguments against it. It's like some of our supporters don't rate players until they make their move to a big club first. Judge them based on their talent, not their teammates that are around them...
To be fair i’d say we will get him. He is eager to come according to all reports so far. We will probably have to up our bid by another 10m, which is a disgrace to be fair. 70m is a great offer.
Errm, no he wasn't.
The article states that SAF & United had already been monitoring Maguire for a year, no mention of anything definite about Moyes..
I agree. One huge difference between them is that Bailly lacks the basics. He screws up offside lines, he leaves his position in dangerous ways, he has poor awareness and positioning, and the other CB never seem to know what he is about to do next. Jones has many poor sides but he is proper schooled imo.
I don't see how this can turn around. If United buy one top defender there is simply not room to develop Bailly, especially not if Tuanzebe is coming back.
@mewnew11 and @ravi2 thanks for the likes
I can’t think of any defender of Maguire’s level And attributes (proven with track record, stats, etc) in the whole world who we can realistically buy THIS window. Unless we want a gamble. I wouldn’t gamble on cornerstone CB. Leicester know that we have to buy a CB this window. Our defense is a mess, its our biggest problem. They have footballing department and they analyze buyers too. Buying a player is very much like buying a company. A lot of research and strategic thinking. Plus City is in the race. Maguire will not come cheap. 80M is a minimum we can hope for.
Let’s forget about VVD, he’s gone. He played in high pressing Southampton side and was an excellent fit for Klopps style. He wouldn’t come to us. He looks good at Liverpool. Maguire might look as good in our team if we have a clear vision of play. Let’s forget about de Ligt. He’s not dominant as Maguire.
If de Ligt given his age played in EPL (let’s say a loan) like Lindelof played most of the last season, Ajax would demand 150 M. If we have Shaw, HM, Victor and AWB back four we will have best defense in the league. Well, in terms of defense of course.
I think HM is an upgrade on Smalling, and he is an excellent upgrade. Smalling is a cover for him. One of Bailly or Jones is cover for Victor. Both are equally mediocre. Rojo is a surplus, or Ole will use him as a cover for Shaw. A crap one, I know, but we have to use what we have. I also all of them will improve once the pecking order is sorted and we know how we play in defense
I can’t think of any defender of Maguire’s level And attributes (proven with track record, stats, etc) in the whole world who we can realistically buy THIS window. Unless we want a gamble. I wouldn’t gamble on cornerstone CB. Leicester know that we have to buy a CB this window. Our defense is a mess, its our biggest problem. They have footballing department and they analyze buyers too. Buying a player is very much like buying a company. A lot of research and strategic thinking. Plus City is in the race. Maguire will not come cheap. 80M is a minimum we can hope for.
Let’s forget about VVD, he’s gone. He played in high pressing Southampton side and was an excellent fit for Klopps style. He wouldn’t come to us. He looks good at Liverpool. Maguire might look as good in our team if we have a clear vision of play. Let’s forget about de Ligt. He’s not dominant as Maguire.
If de Ligt given his age played in EPL (let’s say a loan) like Lindelof played most of the last season, Ajax would demand 150 M. If we have Shaw, HM, Victor and AWB back four we will have best defense in the league. Well, in terms of defense of course.
I think HM is an upgrade on Smalling, and he is an excellent upgrade. Smalling is a cover for him. One of Bailly or Jones is cover for Victor. Both are equally mediocre. Rojo is a surplus, or Ole will use him as a cover for Shaw. A crap one, I know, but we have to use what we have. I also all of them will improve once the pecking order is sorted and we know how we play in defense
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Yes. But why is common sense so rare in this thread? Sometimes I wonder whether Leicester sent all their employees here today to tout Maguire? Insane level of fan-ship he has here. He'd be OK (not excellent) at £50m, but paying more is burning money for fun.
Read only headline.Errm, no he wasn't.
The article states that SAF & United had already been monitoring Maguire for a year, no mention of anything definite about Moyes..
Why does it matter to you whether we pay £50m, £60m or £75m?
It’s just a number.
No I'd rather not look at any PL defender at all because there are better defenders available in Europe. I loved VVD at Celtic and Southampton because he was clearly a top defender. I never said good players couldn't play for lower clubs, I just said at this moment I don't like any of the cbs outside the top 6 in England (or at Arsenal). I think Leicester have loads of great players, Ndidi, Maddison, Vardy, Tielemans, Pereira, Chillwell are all good enough to play for a top 6 side imo. Maguire is barely better than the cbs we already have and we need a great cb not a good one. As for why City are "in the chase" it's for 1 reason only, they need more players to meet their home grown quota and that's why they've now turned their attention to Ake who they'll probably get for £40m or less. Bad criteria to go by anyway since you could have said the same about Fred and Sanchez who have been terrible signings for us.
I think people want us to win the net spend bragging rights..
I wouldn't care the number too if we still have money to spend on midfielders.
And it is just me that who feel Woodward can only work on one signing at a time?
- I'm persuaded he'd be a starter but he's not good enough win trophies in England or Europe.
- Like the rest of the bad buys recently he'll be near impossible to move on when we figure out he's not a PL winning player. Having a squad full of such players is no fun to watch, & means United will win nothing, ever again. I'd rather these players are sold, or loaned out but it doesn't seem to be in management plans. Probably because they cost so much. We should've sold Lukaku 1 month ago. Management suffering from sunk costs fallacy = they won't sell for less than they paid.
- I'd rather United spend the money (difference between £50m and £85m) on a 2nd attack-minded midfielder in addition to Bruno, and or, a #7 who can play as a winger.
- We're giving a direct rival £85m to improve their squad; and they will. Point already made earlier thread.
That’s my gripe about Matt Judge and his recruiting team
Biggest problem for me is - by now Woodward should've sent 5 players packing and bought another 4.
It matters how much we have left for other areas of improvement and how much Maguire himself will improve us.
It's a gripe against senior management at United. I don't seem to have any confidence in them. I wonder why? Now they are doing what they do best: signing a player every newspaper and pundit want them too. Making the easy choice.
I agree, anything above 50m for Maguire seems to be wasteful but what are we to do?
Years of under-performing and investment in all the wrong areas has led us to this and now everyone costs double to us.
Until we start winning consistently again, we are destined to pay over the odds for almost any player.
I think it does matter for future business United do, I see a lot of United fans complain about selling clubs getting United to pay over the odds, when United continue to pay more than any other club would be asked to pay.
Same goes for wages.
Surely you can't be serious? That extra 25 million can help us secure a better player in the future. This isnt the first time posters are acting like money just grows on trees but its becoming a reocurring one. Might as well just bid 100 million for him since it doesn't matter?
None of the players on those wages will move either. Why should they? United now have a squad full of mid-table level players earning more than any other club in UK would pay. Because we have a banker in charge of a football club. In banking nearly every bank wins. Even ones that fail get bailed out. In sport there can be only one. Mid-table level players, or even top-4 level players don't win trophies. United won't win again because senior management aren't interested in managing a sport club. They want to manage a bank.
How in the world would you know that ? I can play the guessing game, too and it's probable this money can go straight to Glazer's pocket.
The easiest way to solve this dilemma is to find a club willing to take on the player, with or without a fee involved. Subsidize the acquiring club by paying half or more of the wage. The Yankees and others in MLB did this frequently to rid themselves of bad/aging contracts. United can afford it but only if the Glazers approve of course. They may not be willing to give up a few extra million in profits they siphon off.
@golden_blunder is absolutely correct. From an accounting sense, whatever the incremental cost you think United are overpaying for Maguire would just be amortized over the life of his contract. So, paying an extra £10m (on what you think is a fair price) is really not a big deal if he's staying for 5+ years. I would argue wages are much more important.
Ignoring accounting he's still correct. If he's the player United/OGS want and he fits within the budget why does it matter? Why potentially lose a player you think will be important for years to come over such a small cost? You aren't buying a stock on an exchange. You're trying to build a winning side.
Nobody is asking or bidding £100 for Maguire so that part is irrelevant.
That's nonsense, loads of people complained about his touch. It was done to death, just like the posts stating that Maguire is a bit cumbersome and over-priced.
You're one of many and your opinions are not unique.
Your point about pace and one on one ability which is less of importance than intelligence.
I pointed it out to you that Tottenham with their centre-backs pairing which you can call as more intelligent even having a good shield in front of them is not defensively astute enough to set up a platform for the forwards to compete for the Epl title and were beaten 13 times last season which I doubt any club with those number of losses finished 4 th in Epl since number of years.
Compare it to ours, where the midfield just doesn't shield the defense and the manager wanting to play high press attacking football a Slow but intelligent Cb can still be beaten while Maguire's one on one ability is not up there as the best in business.
So your point with Maguire's intelligence will be more valuable than his pace in effectively being astute defensively in our team doesn't convince me.
What a comment ffs? How would I know that? Well maybe because it isn't going to leicester and is being used for something else other than going to leicester. We're not a bloody charity ffs. You guys just say whatever you like because you want to justify paying stupid amounts for players just to fail and arrive next summer only to pay stupid amounts once again. Money doesn't grow on trees is my point and it does matter how we spend it. Wasting so much on a good defender who isn't a generational talent is absurd.
How in the world would you know that ? I can play the guessing game, too and it's probable this money can go straight to Glazer's pocket.
Flicking through Ferdinand threads from 2002. The names and numbers are different but the caf sure is the same.
meanwhile according to reports. Leeds are putting a £35 million price tag on Rio which I personally think is a fecking ridiculous price for a defender.
Juve has offered Ajax around £50m for De Ligt and that were they are at this stage of negotiations but United and Leicester are at £70m for Harry fecking Maguire...
I think some of the fans on here think the higher the fee the better the player? Paying £80m for a player worth £40m will not make him a better player. Maguire does not have the quality to be a lead CB at United. I rather spend £50m on a younger CB with similar qualities and spend the rest on a DM who will help the team defensively.
He doesn't want to come to United.
Well thats the problem because I highly doubt he fits within the budget. I believe our budget is 150 million net!(not absolutely sure) We have already spent 60 million on 2 players and with maguire costing north of 70 thats already 130. Bruno fernandes also cost 50 or more and we haven't even thought about sancho. We also haven't sold lukaku who i think will still be here come august so Im trying to understand how he fits within the budget? Unless we sell lukaku for 75 or more I dont think we are improving all the positions we need to improve. Even then we are getting mugged if we pay more than 60 for maguire.
to be fair £32m then was probably the equivalent of £100m+ now.Wasn't Rio also a good bit younger than Maguire? 22/23?
That's excellent
genuinely like reading the modern day! let's hope he turns out to be similar to a modern day Rio then. If Maguire turns out to be one of the best center backs I've ever seen play then I'll buy a hat made of nails and eat it.That's excellent
to be fair, Sir Alex himself refused to sign him when he was at Leeds, stating that if Rio is worth 18m then Wes is worth 30m.
Im talking about levels, I know he doesn't want to come. We splash out money like its going out of fashion, we have to pay extra because we are united and everyone knows that English players have a premium so this transfer of Maguire is costing us an arm and a leg
Rio was a generational talent.....arguably one of the most talented and best centrebacks in the league. Comparing maguire to ferdinard is a joke in itself.
Wasn't Rio also a good bit younger than Maguire? 22/23?
So the CAF doesnt want him and therefore it must be a good idea?
Maguire is no way near ever being of comparable ability to Rio. Rio was 23 when he joined us, Maguire is 26 so less likely that there will be growth in terms of his ability. His lack of pace worries me and he will happily try and play out from the back but it goes horrifically wrong frequently. Rio - on the other hand I can only remember making about 4 mistakes in his entire united career.
No comparisons between the two other than it being a large fee for an English CB.
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