Gay footballers | Czech Republic international Jakub Jankto comes out as gay

[Le Red]

I and others have explained why coming out is important, it's not to offend or annoy straight people. It's the beginning of an attempt to finally live your life in the open. It's an attempt to have the same rights in life as anyone else.

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

 

[Halftrack]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever read on here.

 

[Tarrou]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

can you give some examples of things you think gay people are doing for shock value, and why that bothers you?

 

[Olly Gunnar Solskjær]

Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp.

Like what? Not being funny or anything, I'm genuinely curious what you feel is in your face.

And how is a rainbow annoying or being forced down your throat?

 

[wub1234]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community.

99.9% of gay people are forced to hide their sexuality and who they are on a regular basis, and refrain from behaviours that heterosexual people would completely take for granted.

For example, if you're gay then in the overwhelming majority of the world you cannot hold your partner's hand in public, or kiss them openly. Even today, where homosexuality is considerably more tolerated than it has been historically, gay people continue to live in the closet to some extent, often to a very great extent.

Believing that homosexuals should be free and feel comfortable in being able to do normal things in public, and be open and honest about who they are, is not an example of absurd political correctness or some SJW agenda. It is genuine social justice. It's quite obviously wrong that homosexuals continue to be discriminated against, abused, mocked, and made to feel self-hatred over something that they cannot control.

Wanting that to change is exactly the same as wanting people to stop throwing bananas at John Barnes. It's literally exactly the same.

 

[Le Red]

Relief and acceptance.

The overall gain is that gay kids (and adults) all over the country might feel a little bit more confident within themselves when coming out to family, friends and colleagues.

Gay footballers go on holiday and can’t post to Instagram, or show affection in public, for fear of being outed. So the suggestion that they can just crack on as they are is simply bollocks. Already, gay footballers will be privatising aspects of their lives that otherwise straight footballers would not.

You would probably be aware of this if you weren’t a brainless homophobe.

Your post could do without the last sentence. He showed no hostility towards gay people, even if his reasoning seems backwards. You started out well explaining why it's relevant to come out, and then you go and clip a stamp on his forehead written "brainless homophobe", neo-fascist style. Divide and conquer is working wonders I see.

 

[wub1234]

Homophobe jerks like Rakitic, for example.

I wasn't aware of what he'd said, what a dick.

 

[Nick7]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

Your post could do without the last sentence. He showed no hostility towards gay people, even if his reasoning seems backwards. You started out well explaining why it's relevant to come out, and then you go and clip a stamp on his forehead written "brainless homophobe", neo-fascist style. Divide and conquer is working wonders I see.

Am I allowed to call the above post homophobic? Because it's feckin homophobic.

As mentioned multiple times in this thread homophobia isn't just overt slurs and hatred.

 

[Beaucoup]

Are you serious? Please show me one

If they were open then we would have seen some.

Coming out doesn’t mean you have to announce it on Twitter you know, professional football is a 24/7 intrusive lifestyle, with players spending lots of time together and clubs wanting to know your business around the clock, the notion that there are a group of gay players living their life in the shadow is simply ludicrous. Maybe they simply don’t feel the need to tell the entire world their sexual preference.

 

[Le Red]

Like what? Not being funny or anything, I'm genuinely curious what you feel is in your face.

And how is a rainbow annoying or being forced down your throat?

99.9% of gay people are forced to hide their sexuality and who they are on a regular basis, and refrain from behaviours that heterosexual people would completely take for granted.

For example, if you're gay then in the overwhelming majority of the world you cannot hold your partner's hand in public, or kiss them openly. Even today, where homosexuality is considerably more tolerated than it has been historically, gay people continue to live in the closet to some extent, often to a very great extent.

Believing that homosexuals should be free and feel comfortable in being able to do normal things in public, and be open and honest about who they are, is not an example of absurd political correctness or some SJW agenda. It is genuine social justice. It's quite obviously wrong that homosexuals continue to be discriminated against, abused, mocked, and made to feel self-hatred over something that they cannot control.

Wanting that to change is exactly the same as wanting people to stop throwing bananas at John Barnes. It's literally exactly the same.

Thanks for the civil replies. I will answer with an example that I'm close to because it was a friend of mine.
Everyone knew he was gay. It was written on his face, but he was still in that stage where he tried to pass a straight guy. When he came out, nobody was surprised, and nobody gave a feck to be honest. But the way that he came out turned out unhealthy in a few weeks, making a lot of try hard statements in social media to draw attention to the fact that he was gay, and one post in particular shocked everyone, because he was laying in bed with his boyfriend, both half-naked, presented in a way to make it understandable they just had sex.
You see, I never saw a straight couple from my circle do anything as shocking as that, so that's why I believe it's unhealthy to do things for shock value. I know gays are still frowned upon for kissing and cuddling in public, and that's a problem to be addressed, but to be aggressive and shocking in demonstrating sexuality is not the way to go in my opinion.
But hey, there's reason to be optimistic. Here I am in my job, working for my boss who is a judge of law. He is gay and his partner even comes with him sometimes, and we have a good chat. A few years ago in Brazil you could never imagine a judge being openly gay. Evolution is happening. It's slow, I know that, but I believe the best way to go around this is for gay people to live their lives openly. I know it's hard and I'm not judging anyone for not coming out.
The SJW part is directed at the people who hijacked the gay cause and etc. for political and ideological reasons. They are the ones trying to steer the gay cause into a conflict with the rest of society.
OGS, the rainbow think was more in a figurative sense than literal. I mean that there is overkill in the media and institutions around the pro LGBT campaigns, and that can drive people away.

 

[Le Red]

Am I allowed to call the above post homophobic? Because it's feckin homophobic.

As mentioned multiple times in this thread homophobia isn't just overt slurs and hatred.

Of course you are, just as I'm allowed to call you a high moral ground virtual signaller who thinks he holds a gavel and can judge everyone. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[duffer]

When did social justice become a bad thing? The term "SJW" is so silly.

 

[Nick7]

Of course you are, just as I'm allowed to call you a high moral ground virtual signaller who thinks he holds a gavel and can judge everyone. Thanks for your opinion.

Nah I'm a gay man that calls out bigots for their blatant homophobia.

 

[Ramshock]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

Everyone is capable of being in your face and doing things for shock value regardless of their sexuality!

You may think you were being smart and fair in this post but it reeks of passive aggressive homophobia!

 

[Le Red]

can you give some examples of things you think gay people are doing for shock value, and why that bothers you?

Will do. In the most recent Brazilian gay parade, some guys were doing a golden shower in public. There were kids around. I know these idiots are the exception, but they are driven by this need of doing things for shock value.

 

[iammemphis]

I hope the footballer does come out as gay. If it was my best mate or brother i would feel awful for them that they aren’t allowed to publicly be honest and upfront with who they are. I know it’s not how the world works but coming out as gay should be the same as coming out as vegetarian. I wish nobody cared. Sadly the truth is he will get abused and have songs sung about him from sections of most grounds, but the hope is in the future incidents like that would be treated as seriously as racism and the surrounding crowds of fan point out the wankers doing it to police/stewards and get them kicked out until the occurrence is extremely rare.

 

[Le Red]

Nah I'm a gay man that calls out bigots for their blatant homophobia.

Everyone is capable of being in your face and doing things for shock value regardless of their sexuality!

You may think you were being smart and fair in this post but it reeks of passive aggressive homophobia!

Well, if this is how you treat people who are pro-gay rights just because they have a critical view on some things you disagree with, good luck trying to reach the ultra conservative and reactionary sectors of society.

By the way, regarding the original purpose of the thread, I hope footballers who are gay come out. I hate that anyone has to hide what they are because of repercussions in their jobs. And that's the last I'm saying in this thread.
Keep bashing me all you want. If my posts were indeed homophobic then I ask the mods to remove each and everyone of them.

 

[Ramshock]

Well, if this is how you treat people who are pro-gay rights just because they have a critical view on some things you disagree with, good luck trying to reach the ultra conservative and reactionary sectors of society.

How am I treating you exactly?

 

[wub1234]

You see, I never saw a straight couple from my circle do anything as shocking as that, so that's why I believe it's unhealthy to do things for shock value. I know gays are still frowned upon for kissing and cuddling in public, and that's a problem to be addressed, but to be aggressive and shocking in demonstrating sexuality is not the way to go in my opinion.

But this should be a personal choice. Homosexuals should be as free to openly express their sexuality as straight people are. No-one should ever have to hide who they are, or what they feel, as long as it involves consenting adults, and obviously there are appropriate times and places to do so that don't involve children being present.

That's why it's so damning that it's almost impossible for a professional footballer to come out as gay. That's the reality of how tolerant the underbelly of society actually is. If someone did come out as gay, not only would they definitely be abused by opposition supporters, but they couldn't even guarantee that they wouldn't experience prejudice from their own supporters and colleagues.

There is someone called Robbie Fowler who was quite openly homophobic in public towards someone who isn't even gay, and yet he still works in punditry all the time. That shows you how seriously football takes homophobia, because if he'd been as openly racist then no TV channel would touch him.

 

[Tarrou]

Will do. In the most recent Brazilian gay parade, some guys were doing a golden shower in public. There were kids around. I know these idiots are the exception, but they are driven by this need of doing things for shock value.

yeah okay, but using the exception isn't really adding any validity to you point of view

there are arseholes in every demographic

 

[Jippy]

Will do. In the most recent Brazilian gay parade, some guys were doing a golden shower in public. There were kids around. I know these idiots are the exception, but they are driven by this need of doing things for shock value.

Do you have any proof of this and regardless, how is this linked to their sexuality?

 

[Halftrack]

Thanks for the civil replies. I will answer with an example that I'm close to because it was a friend of mine.
Everyone knew he was gay. It was written on his face, but he was still in that stage where he tried to pass a straight guy. When he came out, nobody was surprised, and nobody gave a feck to be honest. But the way that he came out turned out unhealthy in a few weeks, making a lot of try hard statements in social media to draw attention to the fact that he was guy, and one post in particular shocked everyone, because he was laying in bed with his boyfriend, both half-naked, presented in a way to make it understandable they just had sex.
You see, I never saw a straight couple from my circle do anything as shocking as that, so that's why I believe it's unhealthy to do things for shock value. I know gays are still frowned upon for kissing and cuddling in public, and that's a problem to be addressed, but to be aggressive and shocking in demonstrating sexuality is not the way to go in my opinion.

This isn't unique to gay people. He made an announcement, a pretty huge one to him, and was expecting a greater reaction to it, be it positive or negative. By your description, he didn't get that, so he kept pushing for that reaction. Straight people do it just as much, though it rarely revolves around sexuality.

Or he might just have been so relieved about finally being out and so excited about being able to just be himself that he didn't think about the fact that what he posted might not have been appropriate.

Putting it down to "them gays doing shocking things and shoving their homosexuality in your face" definitely comes off as homophobic, though.

 

[mancan92]

Coming out doesn’t mean you have to announce it on Twitter you know, professional football is a 24/7 intrusive lifestyle, with players spending lots of time together and clubs wanting to know your business around the clock, the notion that there are a group of gay players living their life in the shadow is simply ludicrous. Maybe they simply don’t feel the need to tell the entire world their sexual preference.

They don't have to "tell the world" there is a 24hr news cycle and at the moment there are paparazzi everywhere trying to find a gay footballer. If there were many openly gay players at least one or two of them would have been snapped and posted on a newspaper. They wouldn't have to announce anything but there aren't any open ones that's the problem.

 

[MrPooni]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

Lord bless these car crash threads for outing the hyper-radicalised Diet Ben Shaprios of this world so I can quietly whack them on ignore and move forward.

 

[Le Red]

Ok, one more post because of so many replies. I'm glad most were very polite and only some were ad hominem.
I'm not offended by someone demonstrating their sexuality, within some limits that, in my values, are in effect for both gay and straight people.
What bothers me is that there is a current belief in some people, that adding shock value to what would be otherwise normal demonstrations of affect is positive, since it triggers the most conservative sectors of society. I find it childish and unnecessary.
I think in time most people will bend to the reality that gay people exist and they have as much right to love as anyone. Only the most reactionary people, I mean the true bigots, will remain unconvinced. That time will come, but creating conflicts in society that are uncalled for will delay the process.

 

[lysglimt]

Gay footballers, Butt, Cox, Longstaff and Woody- the topics are indeed strange this summer!

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

maybe because your judging the whole based on the actions of a few? You don’t judge all Americans by the standards set by trump, so why is it ok to judge the “gay camp” because some gay people do things for shock value? And that’s without even getting into the reasons for being “shocking”.

 

[Kylar Stern]

There is a reason that gay footballers cant publicly ‘come out’ (and people from all walks of life also struggle with this) and its summed up in the slew of posts made by @Le Red in the last page or so.

I find it very sad that not only do people still think that way, but this guy doesnt even realise there is anything wrong with what they were saying. What a shame.

 

[Le Red]

@Kylar Stern you either didn't understand anything I say, or you didn't want to. You represent exactly the radicalism that I criticise. With you, it's either "you agree with everything I say or with nothing at all".
You completely ignored everything positive I said about wanting gay people to be happy and free.
I'm tired of the intellectual dishonesty shown by some here, so I'm leaving the thread for good.
Goodbye.

P.S. Again, if I'm being homophobic, I ask the mods to do something about it.

 

[MrPooni]

I agree, but unfortunately there are gay people who do a lot of things for shock value alone, and that does no favors for the gay community. But this criticism coming from me is quickly dismissed as homophobia. Unless the criticism comes from the gay people, against using sexuality as a social weapon, we'll keep seeing this tug of war, and guess what, the gay side of the rope is weaker.
I'm all for equality but this SJW bullshit is not about equality, it's about war, and it's a war that the minorities being used as sheep for political and ideological reasons will find they can't win.
Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

Lord bless these car crash threads for outing the hyper-radicalised Diet Ben Shaprios of this world so I can quietly whack them on ignore and move forward.

Well, if this is how you treat people who are pro-gay rights just because they have a critical view on some things you disagree with, good luck trying to reach the ultra conservative and reactionary sectors of society..

The bloke who posted about his personal "war with the SJW's" without a shred of irony is warning us about reactionary sectors of society. Red pill me Morpheus, The Matrix is glitching.

@Kylar Stern you either didn't understand anything I say, or you didn't want to. You represent exactly the radicalism that I criticise. With you, it's either "you agree with everything I say or with nothing at all".
You completely ignored everything positive I said about wanting gay people to be happy and free.
I'm tired of the intellectual dishonesty shown by some here, so I'm leaving the thread for good.
Goodbye.

Yes mate, take this important discourse back to the YouTube comments section where it belongs.

 

[The Cat]

What a fecking car carsh of a thread. Didn't expect much else though really.

 

[Sweet Square]

Unfortunately there's a lot of "in your face" stuff coming from the gay camp. It's hard to take two steps without seeing a rainbow forced down everyone's throats, often out of context. Frankly, it's annoying. I'm sure even a lot of gays find it annoying.
That's just my two pence. Don't call the British police, please, I know that they knock on your door if you express your opinion on the internet.

You know what, well said. It's crazy how people are worried about just saying quite common sense things these days in public. Here's a really interesting New York Times piece I found about the subject, it's written by a gay writer so don't worry about the thought police coming for you mate(I've had to spoiler it as its quite a long read)

Spoiler

 

[Kylar Stern]

@Kylar Stern you either didn't understand anything I say, or you didn't want to. You represent exactly the radicalism that I criticise. With you, it's either "you agree with everything I say or with nothing at all".
You completely ignored everything positive I said about wanting gay people to be happy and free.
I'm tired of the intellectual dishonesty shown by some here, so I'm leaving the thread for good.
Goodbye.

P.S. Again, if I'm being homophobic, I ask the mods to do something about it.

You made semi positive comments in a poor effort to backtrack after people rightly called out the disgusting comments that you made in your initial posts.

Love, the British Police xx

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Are you serious? Please show me one

If they were open then we would have seen some.

Would love to know who these players are.

okay, who are they then?

Guys. Get a goddamn life. You do realise that at least half the problem with the “Gay footballers should come out” angle is the fact that halfwits need to weaponise the whole topic.

If you really want to know which footballers are gay, go to an area of the country with a football team and open a Grindr account. Suck every dick in sight for a while and eventually you’ll hook up with one you know. Failing that, go out to areas with a scene. You’ll see known faces.

Again. Gay Footballers are not hiding anything like as much as folks pretend they are.

Spending at least 5 years of a VERY short career, talking about where you like to put your penis is an absolute waste of time. No straight footballers have to do it. To suggest gay footballers need to is nonsensical and if you’re suggesting it, it’s myopic and self serving.

Society can change society just fine. Football has no obligation to do anything at all.

 

[Tarrou]

Guys. Get a goddamn life. You do realise that at least half the problem with the “Gay footballers should come out” angle is the fact that halfwits need to weaponise the whole topic.

If you really want to know which footballers are gay, go to an area of the country with a football team and open a Grindr account. Suck every dick in sight for a while and eventually you’ll hook up with one you know. Failing that, go out to areas with a scene. You’ll see known faces.

Again. Gay Footballers are not hiding anything like as much as folks pretend they are.

Spending at least 5 years of a VERY short career, talking about where you like to put your penis is an absolute waste of time. No straight footballers have to do it. To suggest gay footballers need to is nonsensical and if you’re suggesting it, it’s myopic and self serving.

Society can change society just fine. Football has no obligation to do anything at all.

I'm not suggesting any of this what the feck are you on about?

All I said was that if two footballers were openly gay it would create headlines, which is obviously true.

 

[FootballHQ]

It's not just football in fairness.

Can't remember any gay male Tennis players and there's over 1000 playing to decent level at any given year. Odd one or two in Cricket and Rugby, nothing in F1.

 

[Lay]

It's not just football in fairness.

Can't remember any gay male Tennis players and there's over 1000 playing to decent level at any given year. Odd one or two in Cricket and Rugby, nothing in F1.

Any open gay athletes in American sports? I’m sure only basketball player has come out as gay.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I'm not suggesting any of this what the feck are you on about?

All I said was that if two footballers were openly gay it would create headlines, which is obviously true.

No. You asked for names.

 

[HTG]

Any open gay athletes in American sports? I’m sure only basketball player has come out as gay.

Michael Sam was in the NFL for a short time. He was already out of the closet when he was drafted. I think there is a former and a current player in the MLS who are out.

 

[worldinmotion66]

Perhaps I'm naive to the likely abuse a gay footballer would receive, but what verbal abuse would bother a homosexual person if they were comfortable in their own skin and comfortable with their sexuality?

Being called homophobic names wouldn't bother me any more than being called ugly or fat or ginger or lanky or shit or whatever else. I'd also expect a lot of support from a large majority of the footballing community. I think I'd find it harder to live a lie than receive the abuse, but I guess it's not something to be judged without being in that position.

It's only an issue because it's being built up and made into one, and this guy/hoax hasn't helped the next guy that considers coming out.