Not the way some here are proclaiming, that is for sure. But even those one or two instances should not happen and should definitely not be encouraged.
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It's not 90's.
Fedralism has its roots in south India deep rooted this is why they ways take Anti BJP stand deeming them an majoritarian govt.More likely than before these events, but not predictable.
There is a big push for Imran to take a more assertive approach to the situation, which he's balking against. With the failure to obtain support from any international organization, Imran's facing immense pressure from the Army. If he refuses, he may not be "their boy" anymore.
Pak military actions have always been unpredictable and up in the air, anyway.
You think I am going to be clean bowled on your googly?
Nothing as far as I know. He did run into some trouble with the authorities for a later article, but from what I remember it was resolved.
I'm sorry, I was not very clear. I didn't mean Mumbai and Gujarat, I was talking more about Karnataka, Andhra, Telangana, TN and Kerala which are typically considered as the South Indian states.
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He was warned to never repeat it and the source was sacked and put behind bars as he ideologically disagreed with the military, the real power corridor of the country.
Don't want to get into a debate here but I'm kinda glad there is the Anti BJP stand in the south irrespective of what the reason is. BJP ain't going to win shite in the South with their right wing propogandaIt's not 90's.
What right wing propoganda
. South India is majoritcally hindus themselves. Just a politically motivated propaganda to justify their fedralism.Ok, but it’s not really relevant to the question I was responding to.
Yup but the Hindus are sensible enough to not vote for the religious separatist agenda. Also what exactly do you mean by Federalism? I'm no expert, so I googled it.What right wing propoganda
Federalism is the mixed or compound mode of government, combining a general government (the central or "federal" government) with regional governments (provincial, state, cantonal, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system.
Isn't that how Government works in the whole country?
Also, inserting a laughing smiley in every message aka laughing at others opinions, doesn't make you intimidating or your point more valid. It just makes you look childish and immature
BJP’s version of Science and Education for Kashmir and New India.
What's the relevance between those and Kashmir? Anyway it's a move support by Indians who hate BJP too.
It doesn't happen purely due to hate for other religions but as the religious sentiments of a community getting hurt and being challenged by any person. Even if a Hindu kills a cattle and sells or eats it.. Those uneducated but religious people get enraged.
If one goes in Muslim majority areas and tears a page of Quran and eat food in it the sentiments of other community will be enraged as well promting very similar actions.
It's a very rare trend in uneducated or less educated countryside not that it happens in cities and happening everywhere so the left at go to the lengths to picture whole society as communal.
And that is why I said some posters were talking bs when they come with this theory that there is hatred for any religion. It all comes from stupidity and one should not give that much attention to such idiots and spread lies.
I am more inclined to believe my opinion than yours even though you live in the country, know the nuances of politics, know more about imran khan but that will go against the propaganda I have in my mind so let me keep my blinkers on.What a shit show of a thread.
Are you all trying to get the thread closed?
Are you all trying to get the thread closed?
You said with abrogations of Art 370 Kashmiri children’s will get good education.
Now tell me if ruling party ministers and mla propagate bs like above what’s stopping them to implement those in school text books. Especially as they already did in Rajasthan by rewriting school textbooks falsely glorying RSS thugs.
And you’ve still not answered how Art 370 was responsible for violence and I’m asking this for third time.
Also do you share the same vision of Education and Science thats propagated by those BJP mla’s?
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Banning the use of
s would improve things immeasurably.Okay, I stand corrected. Pakistan has ONE liberal commentator.
Amit Shah will hoist the flag in Lal Chowk on the 15th apparently. I predicted this chest thumping opportunity is the reason all this was done a few days before Independence day. PR government after all.
I can tell since nobody has said that.
you guys make this argument so confidently, do you go in the Israel thread to tell posters not to care? Go in any gun shooting thread or police thread and ask the nationality of posters?The attack you are referring to, even the indian authorities agreed that he got the material from inside kashmir.
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Indian media is incredible
Sounds like a breach of protocol. Hope this doesn't happen.
Sounds like a breach of protocol. Hope this doesn't happen.
Idiotic if true. I fail to see what good will come of this and risks alienating the Kashmiris further while they come to terms with the decision to abrogate Article 370.
This is what I was talking about. You think the left and local southern parties are the sole flag bearers of secularism when this civilization as a whole has always been secular in their roots? Your and left's Hindu bashing and painting them as communal is totally separate from reality and out of whims of your imagination.
This is all a politically motivated biased agenda left and regional parties harp on to keep the majority hindi belt out of Power.
The elections were always used to be won by first past the post system. The left for decades painted as they are the sole flag bearers of secularism in the society appeasing all the minority and Muslim votes to themselves, then they divided the Hindi belt into different categories so they can never unite and their votes can be distributed ( divide and rule ) handing the majority in an election to the left with all the minority and Muslims votes to themselves plus their own vote banks.( first past the post system)
Southern parties want to keep hindi belt out of power so they always paint the other opposition as communal and local parties dominate the seats in election other than 2 national parties ( fedralism).
Now the left and southern parties can have an alliance and rule while keeping hindi speaking belt out of power. This had been done for decades
But since the right have found a way to not let their votes split ( people saw through corrupt dividing and appeasement politics ) coupled with Alliances, they are first past the post and tide has been turned while the left still keeps pandering to minority appeasement who see through and their corruptness as well.
Off topic post, but please bear this one, that was the last.
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This whole thread makes for a sad reading. This in not how things should be done
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OK, Let me break this into segments:
Right to Education is a fundamental right under Constitution of India. J&K have not ratified this under 370. Now this will apply and Kashmiri children's right to education will be protected by Indian Constitution.
Majority of India just laughs at these gaffe's and widespread implementation of bakht stuff in textbooks is something no Indian even remotely considers as a serious issue. Only people with agenda will try to use that as a stick. Idiot politicians are not a novelty in any country. And you can google "textbook revisionism in Pakistan" for similar instances too.
I never said 370 was responsible for violence. All I said was ending it will lead to peace. Below is my quote you must be referring to:
and my reply to it:
The post I quoted in which you yourself copied an entire news article just to prove that Indians hate Muslims.I can tell since nobody has said that.
The attack you are referring to, even the indian authorities agreed that he got the material from inside kashmir.
Well the problem here is that some people care too much and then the discussion ends up as an India vs Pakistan 'who can throw more shite at the other' contest. And no I don't go to various threads and talk about how shite their government is and how fantastic my country's one is. The mere fact that you spend most of your time in this forum bashing Modi and the Indian Government and pointing out how big of a racist terrorists they are shows that what you really care about is throwing shite at an enemy country rather than the good of the people of Kashmir. And finally, when your Government killed off millions and raped tens thousands of your own countrymen and has failed to apologize or even recognize the genocide, I don't think you have much right to go around criticizing other county's Governments.
I don't know about that but even if that's right, do you actually belive that all of this was done by a 21? year old? It's clear as day that there were bigger forces involved in both planning and executing the attack. OK, forget common sense, how do you Dent the fact that jaish e mohammed claimed responsibility for the attacks? I bet you already knew that but you would rather believe that an angry 21 year old single handedly carried out the biggest attack on one of the largest armies in the world in one of the most militarised areas in the world. As I said earlier, it's sad to see educated men blinded by hate
I don't understand what happens to Indians and Pakistanis when it comes to Kashmir. We are essentially the same people with shared history but instead of acknowledging our similarities we lose all sense of perspective as soon as Kashmir becomes the topic of conversation.
I quoted the article as a refute to a poster saying no hate crime is being committed and giving examples like ar rahman being Muslim. Context is important but as you arent reading the discussion, you just jump in near the end and assume stuff.
You talk about not being blinded by hate and focusing on kashmir and bring up Bangladesh? What's the relevance? Modis action is directly relevant to the suffering by kashmiris. The reason it becomes pakistan vs india is:
a poster posts an article about what is happening in Kashmir
Indians: look at nationality, if its pakistan bring up balochistan, azad kashmir, reiterate it's a domestic matter and now Bangladesh.
If it's not, like in the case of Corbyn, bring up Brexit.
You guys are time and again refusing to debate the points and seem more insulted that people dare highlight what is happening in the valley and then complain its turns to india vs pakistan.
As for your second post, I have not denied they took responsibility or are responsible for the attack? I am not even sure what you are arguing against. How about you google the facts around the case and reread my posts and then argue against posts I have actually made.
Anyways, this will be my last post on this matter.
I will go back to posting article about kashmir, you guys can go back to asking how dare a pakistani does it.
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The indian government is trying very hard to control the narrative.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...-kashmir-with-mosque-closings-heavy-military/
Showing the parallels in chinas treatment of the uighars and indias of kashmir.
I find that the Pak posters have been consistent in ignoring certain points and latching onto a few points where they know they might have some counter. The main point they are good at ignoring is how Pakistani actions have contributed to the present situation in Kashmir, whether it's through military incursions or terrorism, in Kashmir itself or India as a whole. Not to mention that when faced with a situation of protests in what was then East Pakistan, the Pak army decided to shoot and drop their pants first and ask questions later. It is this lack of self-reflection and wish to improve their own situation that has led to a state that went from being ahead of India in almost every developmental metric at the start of independence to lagging behind 70 years later. Pak went from a key ally of the US to a state that is now only marginally better than North Korea in the eyes of the western media, due to the actions of their government. That's why no matter how much they shout about Kashmir, no one important is going to listen. These people keep on shouting about how great Imran Khan is but that is 1 year of evidence vs. 71 years of evidence of a different approach to regional peace.
Global affairs don't occur in a vacuum, there is always context in every situation.
Please do point out when and where exactly I bashed hindus and painted them as communal. Please, go ahead.
The right wing separatist agenda I was talking about just includes a few things our beloved PM and Home Minister said during the election campaign.
"Infiltrators are like termites in the soil of Bengal," Shah said on Thursday at a rally in West Bengal
"A Bharatiya Janata Party government will pick up infiltrators one by one and throw them into the Bay of Bengal," he said, referring to illegal immigrants from neighbouring Muslim-majority Bangladesh
Addressing an election rally in Varanasi, PM Modi had claimed that BJP workers in Kerala are not as fortunate as their counterparts from Uttar Pradesh as they are not sure if they can return home safe without being attacked
Amit Shah even accused the Kerala CM of murdering BJP party members with no proof to back his claims.
Now I could cite many more examples but 1. This is but the place to do it
2.it won't make a difference
So I'm done with this discussion
Almost unnoticed, two key leaders in Congress have questioned Modi’s India on Kashmiri rights. Indians and Pakistanis have been to quick to assume Kashmir is isolated and the world has turned a deaf ear to it. Indian’s action in taking away Kashmir’s special autonomy and flooding the area with armed occupiers is experienced by Kashmiris as ignored by the world. First, I will tell what the legislators said and, then second how it relates to reality in Kashmir, then who they are and why they matter.
This was a joint statement, by Senator Robert Menendez, Ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Representative Eliot L. Engel, Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
Their statement began with the thinnest possible veiling over a condemnation of what India does in Kashmir. “As the world’s largest democracy, India has an opportunity to demonstrate for all its citizens the importance of protecting and promoting equal rights” – of course, India has done the opposite, treating Kashmiris worse than anyone else in India – “including freedom of assembly, access to information and equal protections under the law.”
@Sanche7 take it to the India politics thread.
As an American, I am sorry to say that Bob Menendez and Eliot Engel have very little influence on anything in this country. One of them almost lost re-election in a strong Democratic state due to a corruption scandal. With that said however, let's look at the actual statement (not the mashed up quote you hijacked):
"As the world’s largest democracy, India has an opportunity to demonstrate for all its citizens the importance of protecting and promoting equal rights, including freedom of assembly, access to information, and equal protections under the law. Transparency and political participation are the cornerstones of representative democracies, and we hope the Indian government will abide by these principles in Jammu and Kashmir. And at the same time Pakistan must refrain from any retaliatory aggression—including support for infiltrations across the Line of Control—and take demonstrable action against the terrorist infrastructure on Pakistan’s soil.”
Let me translate this for you from an American perspective: "we trust and expect India to follow global democratic norms when it comes to the treatment of its people and we expect that the Indian goverment will follow these in due course. We are also concerned that Pakistan will be opportunistic in inciting terrorist/military actions in J&K so we warn them to not interfere in the present situation and to improve their efforts in removing terrorist infrastructure on its soil". This is how the few Americans who actually would have taken time to read this statement (nothing said about it in our media) would interpret it.