Hopefully we'd sign a manager who doesn't live under the delusion that Rashford CAN be the 30 goal a season forward he needs.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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We won’t get rid by Crimbo
He will limp through to the end of the season and make a crap appointment next summer
Another season without CL football hurts our sponsorship deal with Adidas right? That alone would probably be enough for Woodward and the Glazers to want him gone. Hopefully we do get rid off him while the season can still be salvaged and not wait as long as we did with Jose last year. Ole's current rate of a win every 6 matches (since PSG) isn't going to keep him in the job for the rest of the season.
why not
Was it the Glazers who made Fellaini and Lukaku leave, or OGS who pushed them out? If it's the Glazers, I'm wrong for sure. But we both know it wasn't. Won't blame him for Herrera as he was quite powerless there.
Blaming them completely is as absurd as not at all. They have invested recently, just in the wrong players. Whether more should have been invested is neither here nor there; it's the manager who decides the squad.
He's a great coach but i doubt he can roll back the years for Shaw, or turn Laird into another TAA. Would he have the balls to sell Pogba and sign hard working midfielders for his system?
The squad he took over at Pool was a bombsite. Lest we forget they were an 8th place side. Their team is very different to that one.
Why does that somehow legitimize the opinion for you though?
Who gives a feck if you watched it in a pub next door to OT or in a pub in London or Bristol?
And why should the opinion of drunk pub clientele be taken as Gospel anyway?
People who know about footy, whether they be Mancs or Yanks, drunk or sober, are fully aware that Ole is not likely to be a good enough coach for this job - that doesn't make them 'turncoats', they care about the club, just as you do.
His coaching seems to be best suited to counter-attacking footy, which is fine for smaller clubs, but for Utd, in the modern age, the club needs more than a plucky counter attacking approach.
His tactical abilities, in game management and subs are not to the level of an Elite club, that's clear to anyone.
Fine if you think he will become a coach of that level, but as it stands, he isn't there now, and thus ask yourself why Utd should wait for him to become a coach of that standard on the clubs time and money...
If you take a step back and actually think about it logically, it's pretty clear why some fans aren't happy with what OGS is serving up - and it's also pretty clear that the appointment of Ole was, at best, a very eccentric decision for a sporting institution of Man Utd's standing and wealth.
Like with people backing Ole. They are backing the player that once was over the club, because his 10 years management shows nothing to suggest he’s the right person
Can someone look at this graphic and tell me why you think we didn't break palace down? Most of the shots were taken within the dbox which means we were already in. Today we were let down by finishing which is totally different from we did not break them down.
Ole shouldn't talk about blooding the youth like Gomes & Chong when let's face it he isn't in a position to phase them in at all, however they might just provide us with a bit more spark because they can't be any worse than the current situation. Ole has to take Lingard out of this team because he is offering absolutely nothing creatively, hate to say it but do think a more progressive tactically astute manager would find a way to beat teams with packed defences.
We have to back him IMO
Changing it before the end of the season won't achieve much unless there is a great candidate available - which there isn't
Changing it before the end of the season won't achieve much unless there is a great candidate available - which there isn't
I agree with you to some extent as it has to do with money. But would you have paid Herrera close to the amount he wanted and sold Rojo, and not given contract extensions to Young, Jones and Mata and sold of Darmian? Surely we have players like Dalot,Taunzabe, Bailly and Smalling to play as cover even if we sold those players? Plus we sold Lukaku too and off loaded Fellaini in January last year. That's a lot of money that could have been saved and also buy a couple of new midfield players too if we did not want Herrera.
If you actually bothered to read my posts throughout this thread you would see where I've noted the improvements and what Ole is setting out to achieve. If you can't be bothered to do that, then I can't help you there buddy. I'm not going to repeat myself when I've said it numerous times already.
The crowd didn't boo Ole, in fact, his name was getting sung multiple times throughout the game... Wanna guess how I know? Yep I was there, apologies if Sunset+Vine's cameras and audio equipment didn't pick it up for your privileged selves.
Couldn't have put it better myself, the club is in the ground and those leeches are just laughing all the way to the bank while our fans have no choice but to put up with this shitshow
Ole needs at least 4-5 transfer to get his team. At the same time, the results must be there. Top 4 what Man Utd must aim for. Ole is a new manager. Every manager (even top football manager) identify who he can trust and who he cannot. The 3 players that he bought will definitely play alot because he bought them. Next is the players who has ability like Pogba, Martial and De Gea. The next group of players, he has no choice so he chose academy graduates like Tom, Lingard, Rushford. I don't think he can do anything. Ed needs to back him and get in 3-4 players ik every transfer window else we are stuck forever in this stage. Mid table team while Liverpool, City and Tottenham dominate for the next 5-8 years.
My thoughts on Ole is that he approached the job as a fan. He got rid of two maligned players, same players most of us didn’t think were “Man Utd” players. But they were very effective players, in their different ways. And he didn’t have a plan on who to replace them with or more likely he just didn’t have the clout to persuade the people he wanted to come.
He spoke about counter attack and youth like all fans dreaming of years gone by. But forgot that Man Utd rarely set up as a counter attack team...
He spoke about youth. But, beyond the class of 92 how many of our academy players have become essential first team players? Wes Brown, John O’Shea we’re close to being first teamers. Many get chances, get hyped, but really only Rashford has shown true world class potential in over 25 years.
He spoke about counter attack and youth like all fans dreaming of years gone by. But forgot that Man Utd rarely set up as a counter attack team...
He spoke about youth. But, beyond the class of 92 how many of our academy players have become essential first team players? Wes Brown, John O’Shea we’re close to being first teamers. Many get chances, get hyped, but really only Rashford has shown true world class potential in over 25 years.
If you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion, I'm not sure if you're best placed to make a judgement call on, well, anything really.
Re the rest of your post: if it wasn't blatantly clear enough to you (it should be, but then you do seem a little special), Ole hasn't got much sway when it comes to those decisions. Just like Jose, and just like LvG. If you can't see that, then, well....
No point changing him unless we got a massive budget and Potch.
The problem I have with him he always play the same way. feck the wingers and play a bit more in the midfield as this is always the problem we are having now. Two man midfield against 5. It was the same with Wolves and same today. Even go for a back three as this two man midfield is not working. Why can't he change things and the formation and the way we play?
As former Italian Manager used to joke about England" “Butcher”, sempre Butcher! “ Enzo Bearzot used to say, when as manager of Italy he’d come to England to look at our internationals. “Butcher always Butcher!” It is always the same with Ole.
As former Italian Manager used to joke about England" “Butcher”, sempre Butcher! “ Enzo Bearzot used to say, when as manager of Italy he’d come to England to look at our internationals. “Butcher always Butcher!” It is always the same with Ole.
Well done, you haven't actually bothered to look into the context of the post and why it was said.
But you'll get your validation on an internet forum, and at the end of the day, that's more important
I’m not saying they booed Ole specifically, but the crowd was clearly not happy with the collective output.
Well done for going the match mate
The same forum you’re spouting shite on
Is there really another manager other than Poch that anyone actually wants here? It just feels all the same at this point and it’s tiring. The structural problems that every single manager Post SAF has complained about will still be in place regardless of whoever comes in.
It’s pointless thinking about anyone other than Ole until the end of the season. Back him and then assess where to go from there.
It’s pointless thinking about anyone other than Ole until the end of the season. Back him and then assess where to go from there.
Why would Poch want to come to United at this stage? We are, give or take, a decade behind the curve now.
Why indeed. Not sure who people would want to replace Ole with if they really think he’s not up to task and who would come in that’s realistically attainable.
Agree. The stage of United being an attractive proposition is long past now. We are pretty fecked.
Very interesting observation. It is deja vu. Giggs took over from Moyes and immediately dropped Fellaini for all his games. LVG came and got him to play. Jose came and got him to play. Ole comes and sell him without replacing him and Herrera. Now he has been hoisted with his own petard.
This guy is used to defend deep and play counter attack football , and now the situation reversed and he got not clue what to do anymore
Bit odd for you not to mention that, considering that you posted it in the Ole thread, and put it in response to a message by me bemoaning the lack of support Ole receives from these fairweather fans... Why even mention such a thing when it bears no relevance to the issues at hand? Why, it's almost as if you're shifting the goalposts(!)
The crowd booed multiple times during Fergie's days (particularly during 2005), and since and for a variety of reasons too. Were the fans also questioning Fergie after everything he'd won as well?
In this instance, the ref and his linesmen had an absolute shocker, the players' were poor and the crowd definitely groaned in frustration, it could literally be about anything...
Also, thanks for the patronising last line, very much on brand for the quality of debate around here...
You’re talking about a patronising tone having called people cnuts in your original post
I’m not moving the goalposts - the manager is not good enough, the players are overrated and the board is inept. Blame must be equally apportioned.
If you go to the matches every week and think everything is fine and dandy then good on you.
The only person being patronising here is you. You don’t need to tell us your life story just your posts will do.
100%. I don't blame Ole for taking the job and trying to make the best of it, he loves the club and believes he can do it. But it becomes more obvious every week he can't. We're going nowhere but down.
Absolutely, cannot blame him for taking the opportunity of a lifetime
I literally gave you reasons for Chelsea being similar to us. They started 2 players who were in the Championship versus us. Lost their best player(Pulisic is not an adequate replacement) and lost a proven manager for an unproven one(similar to us).
They've plenty of players not up to the required standard
Abraham
Zouma
Bakayoko
Barkley
Batshuayi
Giroud(arguable)
Mount(arguable)
Alonso(think he's finished)
Azpilicueta(think he's finished too)
You have still yet to share why we're in a worse spot than Leicester, Everton or Wolves. Merely repeating it constantly doesn't make it true. I don't think I need to argue why we are not, because I think you're the only person who thinks we're in a worse spot.
But I saw your other posts and how 'you're a top red' and the rest of us aren't.
Honestly feck off with that elitist BS.
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Management of resources to build the squad is on him, that includes recruitment too. Of all the players we were linked with this summer by Tier 1 sources, 3 of them are at the club (James, AWB and Maguire). The only player who we couldn't sign was Sean Longstaff, also the only midfielder linked to us by reputable sources where we actually went twice for him. No amount of paper talk from O Jogo will make the Bruno rumors true. So our staggering lack of quality in midfield is again entirely on Ole, after getting rid of 2 first team midfielders (in Fellaini, Herrera) the only replacement he could identify was Longstaff. What does that tell you about the importance he placed in midfield?
Next up in attack, the club along with Ole knew all along that Lukaku wants to leave. Why was no replacement identified for the same, where was our contingency plan? Before anyone mentions Dybala, that was a deal thrown into our laps a week before transfer window shut, a player who by all accounts was not on our target list and we never reached out earlier or we'd have known about image rights issue. Eriksen was another name thrown into the ring in last few days, a player who in his last year of contract wanted to leave all along this summer. Yet, we only ever reached out to him with hours left in the window when he wasn't interested anyway.
The only player whom we couldn't get over the line was Sean Longstaff, that too due to ludicrous £50m asking price from Newcastle. So let's not kid ourselves into thinking this is not the squad Ole wanted because everything we've seen in the summer alludes to that. He's sold number of first-teamers, only to replace with him unproven youth at this level. The same is probably gonna happen with Sanchez too, he sees them as dispensable and replaceable by what we've got.
Next up in attack, the club along with Ole knew all along that Lukaku wants to leave. Why was no replacement identified for the same, where was our contingency plan? Before anyone mentions Dybala, that was a deal thrown into our laps a week before transfer window shut, a player who by all accounts was not on our target list and we never reached out earlier or we'd have known about image rights issue. Eriksen was another name thrown into the ring in last few days, a player who in his last year of contract wanted to leave all along this summer. Yet, we only ever reached out to him with hours left in the window when he wasn't interested anyway.
The only player whom we couldn't get over the line was Sean Longstaff, that too due to ludicrous £50m asking price from Newcastle. So let's not kid ourselves into thinking this is not the squad Ole wanted because everything we've seen in the summer alludes to that. He's sold number of first-teamers, only to replace with him unproven youth at this level. The same is probably gonna happen with Sanchez too, he sees them as dispensable and replaceable by what we've got.
Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
Stick with him because we won't get anyone else that actually cares about the club so much. We had one of the best managers in football and we were still shite. If reports were right, we were going to get Klopp, but he refused because we're being run by a bunch of cnuts
Sacking him is pointless unless there's a truly outstanding manager who can replace him, whoi will reveive the full backing of the board. Otherwise it'll be groundhog day.
I’m sure Neville also cares about the club but doesn’t mean he should be anywhere near it.
Do you think Pep cared about City before he joined?
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