There are so many outstanding young foreign talents (too many to count) that I hate to disagree with you. I think we've been stung too many times over the last decade by lacklustre foreign talent, it's far safer to recruit PL proven players - their nationality is irrelevant as long as they are tried and tested in the prem like Eriksen for example.
Sky Sports: Manchester United must be patient in transitional period, says Gary Neville
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Yeh agreed. I'm so over hearing this imbecile talk. We have a politician in Australia called Pauline Hanson and it's hilarious hearing her talk due to how stupid she is. Neville is the same except it isn't even funny at this point
Either that or Bayern sign them all.
We are already in our 7th year of transitional period:
1st year - Moyes
2nd year - LVG
3rd year - LVG
4th year - Mourinho
5th year - Mourinho
6th year - Mourinho/Ole
7th year - Ole (current)
Mind you it may take us another 7 years until we are done with transitional fecking period.
Imagine other top wealthy clubs like Real, Barca, City, Juventus, Bayern need to wait that long (7 years), need to be patient right? Feck sake.
1st year - Moyes
2nd year - LVG
3rd year - LVG
4th year - Mourinho
5th year - Mourinho
6th year - Mourinho/Ole
7th year - Ole (current)
Mind you it may take us another 7 years until we are done with transitional fecking period.
Imagine other top wealthy clubs like Real, Barca, City, Juventus, Bayern need to wait that long (7 years), need to be patient right? Feck sake.
We know for a fact that we were trying hard to sign Dybala and Eriksen. All this nonsense that he won't sign anyone who isn't English is exactly that; nonsense. He obviously wants a British core so he prioritised that this summer as it wasn't there previously. We all know that he'd have had Dybala in a heartbeat, but we couldn't make it happen. I can't think of an all time great team that didn't have a core of players from the country they're from, so it's hardly rocket science.
People here are trying to make out that if a top foreign player becomes available, we're rejecting it because they're foreign. It's complete rubbish, and I have no idea why it's being peddled.
Ole has spent all summer pandering to Pogba despite being undermined by his declarations that he'd like to leave (Ole had said earlier in the summer that Pogba would be staying), and he has made DDG captain. Does this sound like a man who is anti-foreigners. I mean, he is foreign himself ffs. It beggars belief.
Yes. That is true that we tried for those two players. It would have been nice to get them, but why would they come to us at the moment. No CL, not a great squad, a rookie manager who is a legend to us, but they might not rate him as a manager. We just have to hope we can build a good side which the great players see as a good project.
I agree, that's bullshit of the highest calibre.
I feel after failing so hard in the transfer market post-Saf, the board decided to play it safe this summer by recruiting PL proven players. But that's not to say had an extraordinary foriegn talent become available, Woody wouldn't have bent over backwards to sign him.
Next summer I think we'll see a mixture of foreign and homegrown talent recruited.
Money? It's a weak argument but its the best we can offer right now. That could be another reason for sticking to young British talent this summer, they're far more likely to join the United project, with or without CL football, than foreign players.
What does 'patience' even mean?
As fans we only have few ways to express ourselves:
1. Watch games, inside Old Trafford or via paid for TV subscription.
2. Spend money on official club merchandise
3. Express our voices in the huge ocean that is social media
4. Reduce or completely stop any of the above, as a form of protest or because we've lost interest.
Presumably what Neville is advocating is that fans keep on doing all of the top 3, and not slip into option 4.
Because I'm protesting the Glazer ownership, Ive stopped buying official merchandise since many years ago, and because I'm fed up of the football the club serves up, I've cancelled my paid for subs (I visit those plentiful digital 'rivers' when we have a game) - the club does not deserve my monies for the product they deliver. I also take alot less interest in the club. So I'm well into option 4. And I'm a London red since big fat Ron, so cant be classified a glory hunter. I would imagine there are many more like me.
It's so obvious to me what has happened at Manchester United, and I see it all over the corporate world, especially within many legacy US corporations. We were recently a very special organisation that had magic and soul but are now simply an organisation does not have any genuine purpose beyond making profits. It happens in corporations when founders move on, in our case when SAF/Gill retired, but once the reasons for the magic and soul move on, all that is left is a soulless husk, which can be milked and squeezed for profit, before it becomes just another trademark, unremarkable like the many others.
The only path for a resurgent United is when the club can spend all of its own self generated profits. I remember banker friends of mine warned me of this day when the Glazer buy-out was first talked about in late 1990s. It took longer to happen, because of the magic of Ferguson, but we are well and truly here now.
Neville's request for 'patience' is horseshit. I cant see how this club regains the English Premier League in this current mode of ownership, whilst it has competitors who invest more and make better decisions at every available occasion.
To be fair I don't think Neville has really praised Lingard either. Lingard doesn't command 250k a week and didn't cost 80m to join, and Neville will be paid by Sky Sports to focus on what gets most attention.
I don't think he's racist or nationalist about it. Coming in at 80m will draw attention whether you're Maguire or Pogba. If Maguire makes a big error leading to a goal next week hel be highlighted massively in all the back pages too. That's what draws attention.
Surprising anyone thinks we sat back, soaked up the pressure hoping to nab something on the break. We had 71% possession and 4 times as many shots, 8 corners to their 1. Our end product was lacking but I can’t imagine the motivation for saying we played on the break.
I Like Neville. He talks more sense than most other pundits about.
But the fact is, this 'transitional period' (which is 100% where we are at the minute), has been dragged out and unnecessarily extended far far too long. A whole lot longer than it should be, and the indications only point to it lasting alot longer. Another 4 or 5 transfer windows to sort things out isnt really acceptable when you think about all the time wasted in the last few windows where we could have sorted some glaring holes in the squad. And this is largely down to Woodward and his massive failings in the transfer market.
Clubs that are serious about challenging and have proper ambition do not allow time to pass allowing wasted chances (*see Real Madrid this season). They go out and make a statement, get the right quality in to help turn their fortunes around. With City winning the domestic treble and L'pool winning the CL, this was the perfect time for Utd to go out and show we still mean business and are not going to just fade away. Go make a statement in the market and get in some serious quality to change our team. But no, we didn't. our defence has improved, but the team is generally the same shit from last season. Woodward leaving us short once again and dragging it out into the unforeseeable future.
So no Gary, 4/5 more transfer windows to catch up isnt acceptable. Not one bit. Considering the revenue at our disposal and the size of our club, these are problems that should be taken care of asap. The longer the club leave it to make serious changes, the further we fall behind the top 4 and allow the evertons, burnleys and leicesters to take us over.
But the fact is, this 'transitional period' (which is 100% where we are at the minute), has been dragged out and unnecessarily extended far far too long. A whole lot longer than it should be, and the indications only point to it lasting alot longer. Another 4 or 5 transfer windows to sort things out isnt really acceptable when you think about all the time wasted in the last few windows where we could have sorted some glaring holes in the squad. And this is largely down to Woodward and his massive failings in the transfer market.
Clubs that are serious about challenging and have proper ambition do not allow time to pass allowing wasted chances (*see Real Madrid this season). They go out and make a statement, get the right quality in to help turn their fortunes around. With City winning the domestic treble and L'pool winning the CL, this was the perfect time for Utd to go out and show we still mean business and are not going to just fade away. Go make a statement in the market and get in some serious quality to change our team. But no, we didn't. our defence has improved, but the team is generally the same shit from last season. Woodward leaving us short once again and dragging it out into the unforeseeable future.
So no Gary, 4/5 more transfer windows to catch up isnt acceptable. Not one bit. Considering the revenue at our disposal and the size of our club, these are problems that should be taken care of asap. The longer the club leave it to make serious changes, the further we fall behind the top 4 and allow the evertons, burnleys and leicesters to take us over.
It is getting players who will get more money with us, but they still have ambition to want to improve. There has been too many 'in their twilight years' signings on massive money. I am not against British players, but a couple of decent games does not make someone a great signing for us. I like Brooks at Bournemouth. Maddison is another. Rice I am not sure about. If Pogba does go in the summer, then we definitely have to make the right choice to replace him.
The man is the most opinionated person other than Donal Trump. He thinks he is always correct too as does Donald Trump.
Gary cares about the planet though.
Let's stop using terms like moron and imbecile, shall we? Especially for a club legend.
Context is a funny thing. It might help explain the meaning behind a single sentence.
but we have changed strategy each time meaning we are back in transition... lots of fans want to sack this manager... almost certainly puts us back to the start of a transition without laying the foundations of leadership at the club
Too long a timeline
What "patience" are we talking about? We need the results, as without the results we can't retain our best players and attract good transfer targets.
If there is another wasted season, our squad will become even weaker (as we won't sign any star players - they wouldn't want to come fight for top 6), our income will drop too.
If there is another wasted season, our squad will become even weaker (as we won't sign any star players - they wouldn't want to come fight for top 6), our income will drop too.
dabbing on your mind, rent free.The amount of flack he’s taking for espousing an obviously correct opinion
Just shows what some people will do if you slag off their beloved Pogba.
It would be typical of United to show patience with the worst manager out of the bunch we have had since fergie left, the time we should have shown patience was with Van Gaal who got us back in the champions league, was able to compete in matches against other clubs near the top, won the fa cup and missed out on qualifying for the champions league again by an extremely small margin, was laying down the foundations of a philosophy that had an emphasis on being comfortable in possession of the ball and was willing to give youth a chance, it's the best we have had it since fergie left and I'm sure had van Gaal stayed on he could have also won the Europa league cup like Mourinho did considering the toughest opposition that we faced that season was an average young ajax side.
Oh I see, the never ending transitional period. When Ole gets the sack the next manager will start his transitional period from the start as well, and 20 years from now on we'll still be seeing quotes about us still being in "transitional period".
Oh the LVG revisionism is strong in this one. Laying down foundations of a philosophy? Sure, sure.
He had us playing the worst football ever seen probably and was throwing youth just for the sake of it, not to mention squandering money on average players.
Seems like we didn't follow these.
It’s alright, it’s an endless transition that will never be complete.
Appointing Moyes (not good enough), Van Gaal (past it/didn't speak the language) and Mourinho (toxic man) were all mistakes. Ole is the first appointment from the board I can just about understand. Unfortunately, we have no choice but to trust the same people. We can't get rid of them. Fortunately though the influence of football men I do trust like Nicky Butt at the club has increased and there have been some structural changes that might help with player recruitment and youth development. From what I've seen so far the players we recruited over the summer have been quality, though we could and should have done more. Hopefully Ole can build on that.
This should be learnt in football history. How did he go so wrong? LVG is a manager who has terrible man management but gets teams to play good football. At United he started very well and then completely lost the plot. Maybe it was an age thing as his methods in dealing with players is so old fashioned it did not work in this age. Yes if anyone from the ex Managers after SAF would like to be given time, I would also have chosen LVG.
Patient? We have been waiting for 7 years now, did he mean 70 years?
I'm not thrilled with it because I don't think the upcoming batch are anything resembling a golden generation. The British core should be assembled selectively and as special British players become available. We are simply forcing it if we sign too many at once. Don't really care about claims of xenophobia as I do the gimmicky nature of it
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The problem is we're not really in transition. Transition hints your building towards better times, but we're not, we are still in decline. We won't have better times to look forward to until we actually arrest the decline, and there's no sign of that especially with the current lot in charge above.
We were "not far off" last week.
And going to win the league before Liverpool.
Now it's talk of patience and transistion.
Wonder what next week's line is.
And going to win the league before Liverpool.
Now it's talk of patience and transistion.
Wonder what next week's line is.
Neville's a clown. His outburst last week is the type of reactionary response fuelling the negativity around the club, yet he comes out with stuff like this. It's a shame he's a paid pundit because he'd be best served keeping his mouth shut.
Dont get me wrong the football was boring, that's possession based football for ya when it's not yet clicking but it was still better than what I have seen under the other managers, what on earth have we really achieved since he left, and up and down rollercoaster with Mourinho who was very fortunate in his first season that the quality of teams in the europa league that season was bang average considering we finished 6th in the league that season, then got to second the following season and then imploded in the 3rd like he typically does, now a season on we are currently at our worse since fergie left with manager that is the worst of the bunch and a team seriously lacking depth, with van Gaal there was some stable consistency there.
Patient?
The same expectations we had on Moyes, LvG and Mourinho should apply to Solskjær.
The same expectations we had on Moyes, LvG and Mourinho should apply to Solskjær.
I disagree about Mourinho and Van Gaal. They were both signed as quick fixes, especially Jose. I think the main positive about the last 12 months is that the board has realised that does not work and they need to allow a coach to build a team over a couple of years. Whether Ole is the man to do that remains to he seen but if we are going to give him a chance then we can't just do it when he's beating PSG.
Only consistency was a shit football.
Legend goes that Leicester game broke him. God knows how long would it take for his football to click.
We have to be patient. The current mess that we're in it will probably take years for us to get back to being competitive.
Considering how the board clearly doesn't listen to us fans, I don't think it makes a blind bit of difference if we are patient or not to be fair.