So we can't criticise him because he's our best midfielder?
Paul Pogba player of the year 2019-2020
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We can but we have so many issues it is a waste of time.
The squad is poor, really really poor.
It is, yet he's not standing out. Removing his reputation and nobody would be scouting him.
The 3 times in a row he lost the ball in front of our defense was hilarious though. 
I get it he shouldn't play close to the defense or that deep but what was his problem in keeping the ball in his possession at least once out of these 3 times ?
I get it he shouldn't play close to the defense or that deep but what was his problem in keeping the ball in his possession at least once out of these 3 times ?He wouldn't have lost it 3 times though if he had...The 3 times in a row he lost the ball in front of our defense was hilarious though.
Oh wait there's simply no excuse to losing the ball THREE TIMES in 30 SECONDS.
I had no words for him after that.
This thread at the end of the season will be as bad as the Lingard one.
Sure, maybe in the most overrated player in the world category
Is Ole working with him in training? The player should obviously be intelligent enough to know that he's over playing & needs to start moving the ball quicker. I'm wondering if Ole is too scared of reprimanding him.
Rinse Madrid next Summer, buy 2/3 new midfielders.
He's doing the same thing he always does when played in that role.
We were having the sane discussion in his first season here, his second season. Back then it was because it was Mourinho's fault apparently or because he needed to be on the left of a three.
This is just how Pogba plays and he isn't going to learn at this point. The only time he has looked good with consistency is played further forwards. Ole has had him more or less as a left winger and now back as a holding player and it's confusing me why we refuse to use him in the one area of the pitch he's proven he can do damage.
If you put him in areas where his exuberance is likely to be a weakness rather than a strength, then you know at this point what to expect.
If you still believe Pogba is "one of the best midfielders in Europe" then you are lying to yourself. He's highly inconsistent in his attack, he's absolutely horrendous in keeping the ball in the midfield. He's not even top 10 as far as midfielders go.
Yes, he's the best we've got, but whose fault is that? Why the heck was Bruno Fernandes not signed in the summer? Now we have ZERO alternatives. Insanity
Yes, he's the best we've got, but whose fault is that? Why the heck was Bruno Fernandes not signed in the summer? Now we have ZERO alternatives. Insanity
This.
I think this is what the club is thinking as long as they get an acceptable fee for him.
Hope it's spent on top notch players and not rubbish.
I think if we sign Sancho and Maddison we will have a decent front four. Then you just need some decent MFs. Not stars but ones who can do a good job. I dont think Mctominah is up to it.
Not sure though who to buy as MF. Longstaff i would have to watch more of.
We'll 'Try'
Keeps playing like he did against Southampton and nobody will want to buy him
He's regularly been caught in possession during his time here. He seems to have stepped up to a whole new level this season though. Would have expected him to be more solid after the Palace assist. He was even worse yesterday though. We were lucky that Southampton were too toothless to take advantage.
I think this is what we have planned but it could easily backfire. If Zidane has a bad season then he's gone with Jose his likely replacement. I don't see Pogba being to eager to go there in this scenario. We should have sold him & let them pay on tick as they couldn't afford to pay the full amount upfront.
I recognise his talent and that he is capable of great things but after watching him every week for a 3 year period, I can't think of a player with a worse reputation/hype to performance ratio.
Then people claim he's POTY/Ballon D'Or material?!? I simply can't belive we are watching the same player every week.
You look fondly on lots of players over the decades, with many 'greats' that we still talk about. Unless things change hugely, the mention of Pogba in 10 years time will just bring a shrug of the shoulders. A footnote in Manchester United history.
Then people claim he's POTY/Ballon D'Or material?!? I simply can't belive we are watching the same player every week.
You look fondly on lots of players over the decades, with many 'greats' that we still talk about. Unless things change hugely, the mention of Pogba in 10 years time will just bring a shrug of the shoulders. A footnote in Manchester United history.
The Pogcester United brigade have really started to grind my gears. We always used to say that no player is bigger than the club, Sir Alex often said it, but for these fans a player with such a low contribution to the greatness of this club has become bigger than the club. You hear stuff like 'United don't deserve Pogba', its nauseating.
He will continue to produce moments of absolute brilliance, moments of stupidity and consistent inconsistency.
He will never win Ballon D’Or, OP....
He will never win Ballon D’Or, OP....
i dont expect him to do everything, but do expect our best paid player to do something
I genuinely listen to some of them after games and wonder if it's just that I don't know anything about football (which I guess could be the case) because what I have watched is so different to them.
Thing is, if you go outside the Caf bubble and it would appear that most people think the same. The Pogba acolytes are delusional IMO.
And very quiet today, I’m sure they will be back when he creates a goal when we are already comfortably leading in a game.
What does his wage have to do with anything? Sanchez is our best paid player anyway.
Pogba infuriates me as much as anyone else. I'm not defending him but i do think that he gets too much of criticism. Some of the passes he received in the positions he took up has more to do with the passer than the receiver. Again, i am not defending him to the hilt, he should have done better in receiving it or at least crapped on the person passing it to him.
I think Pierera was much more guilty of losing the ball than anyone else on the pitch.
sanchez plays for inter milan
how much we pay players should dictate what we expect of them in my view. that's why people were so disappointed with sanchez... if he was on 10k per week he was probably a mild success
The moment he has an assist the toxic posts of things such "anyone who thinks Pogba should be sold go and feck yourself etc" will be back in full force as they were during the Chelsea match.
It's Pogba FC for some people.
By that reasoning, Dan James should take it down a notch. We not paying him to perform so well.
Sanchez is on loan to Inter, we still pay him a significant wage.
This club has once again shot itself in the foot, pogba has had one real decent spell at the club and that was during the honeymoon period after Mourinho left, then was the time to sell him for maximum value and to make matters worse Ole is now playing him as a deep lying playmaker where he is not going to be able to contribute as much with assists and goals, real Madrid are not going 120 million let alone 150 million for a deep lying playmaker that has few assists and goals to his name at the end if the season if he is continued to be used in that position all season seeing as we are now going with 4231.
We have a weak minded coach. We have already lost a game over this nonsense. Pogba will never be balloon d’or like he wants unless he learns to listen.
Yea unless he improves dramatically this is what will happen. Except he will be twenty million richer. I think his reputation precedes him somewhat. ferguson was right in ways.
Interesting to think that if he had not come through our academy, would he have become what he has become? I think it could be different.
Ole is not weak minded. He was a star much bigger in club football than Pogba is or maybe will ever be. Ole isn't afraid of any of them. Jose was not weak minded - he is one of the most decorated coaches. I am sure it's not about whether they dare to coach him, it's about whether he is coachable or capable.
The way he continually loses the ball in those tight areas makes me question why some speak of him as a 10, when that roles classical/main requirement are taking the ball in even tighter areas and finding solutions.
Cut it out with this moronic crap. All these fanboys portray Pogba as like Maradona at Napoli. Pogadona is his new nickname as he is obviously his second coming...
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Pogba does something noteworthy one game in every eight. And his fanboys dine out on that as justification for several weeks after.
As opposed to Salah or KDB who produce highlights and have influence virtually every time they play.
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A very frustrating player. It just seems like he can’t focus all game. His and the manager faults.
One thing for sure, he shouldn’t be playing in that midfield 2. France had two workhorses alongside him to do the dirty work for him. We should just freaking copy them if we want to get the best of him.
One thing for sure, he shouldn’t be playing in that midfield 2. France had two workhorses alongside him to do the dirty work for him. We should just freaking copy them if we want to get the best of him.
Should be benched to be fair. He has had his chances. We cant have a midfielder losing the ball in critical areas so often. Fred or Matic next. Lets see if they can do better.
He's not playing for the team. He's playing for brand pogba.
Doing all those jazzy moves that slows down the move for nothing
Doing all those jazzy moves that slows down the move for nothing
He's proven time and time again that he has absolutely no positional sense, and no understanding of the consequences for the team if he loses the ball in particular positions.
I though he was going to be the next Yaya Toure and dominate teams by scoring at one end and being impassable at the other.
In reality, he seemingly doesn't have the football mind to be that sort of player. He's proven it time and time again yet some people still make out he's some kind of genius. His loyal army will make out that it's due to those around him, but take Pogba out this team and put in a peak Yaya Toure and we finish in the Top 4 no problem. That's what world class influential midfielders do. Pogba has been exactly how he is now for more than 3 years. In that time he had a good two and a bit months when Ole first started, which was the only time when he showed a bit of consistency. Even when Mourinho just signed Matic (when he was still good) to play along side him and had Herrera in there with him (I.e. two players who would protect him and do the dirtier work) he was inconsistent at best. It's been Jose's fault, Ole'e fault, the players around him fault, pundit's fault, the fan's fault, but in the eyes of his fans, never his fault. Beggars belief really.
Of the midfielders I've seen for United growing up, he wouldn't make the top 20 for what he's done. The story goes that he left because Ferguson didn't trust him in a league game against Blackburn when more or less every midfielder was injured. The reason he didn't trust him was because of his positional sense and discipline, or lack of it.
He literally hasn't developed in terms of his positional awareness since he was a teenager based on what I've seen.
Can't wait for him and the circus that surrounds him to go to be honest. I foolishly thought that him staying and been given the role of "experienced player given all the trust and there to guide the youngsters around him" might get a song out him. Reality is, his performances have been even more reckless all things considered and have already cost us points (and I'm not referring to the penalty miss in this).
Ole was wrong to keep him. Should have let him go when he was kicking up a fuss and signed a replacement. Once again his lack of consistency will be a major factor in where we finish, and he will only need replacing next summer when another manager (probably) decides he's not worth the hassle (and I refer to all the baggage that comes with having him here, not him personally). Question is, if he has yet another poor season (yes, ANOTHER. Please spare me the memes with last season's stats. He was his usual self for 6 and a half of the 9 months), will there be any takers at the money we'll be asking?
Would love to have egg on my face come May, but given the last 3 years and the opening 4 games of this season, I've reached the point where I'd even strongly consider putting my mortgage on me not having.
I though he was going to be the next Yaya Toure and dominate teams by scoring at one end and being impassable at the other.
In reality, he seemingly doesn't have the football mind to be that sort of player. He's proven it time and time again yet some people still make out he's some kind of genius. His loyal army will make out that it's due to those around him, but take Pogba out this team and put in a peak Yaya Toure and we finish in the Top 4 no problem. That's what world class influential midfielders do. Pogba has been exactly how he is now for more than 3 years. In that time he had a good two and a bit months when Ole first started, which was the only time when he showed a bit of consistency. Even when Mourinho just signed Matic (when he was still good) to play along side him and had Herrera in there with him (I.e. two players who would protect him and do the dirtier work) he was inconsistent at best. It's been Jose's fault, Ole'e fault, the players around him fault, pundit's fault, the fan's fault, but in the eyes of his fans, never his fault. Beggars belief really.
Of the midfielders I've seen for United growing up, he wouldn't make the top 20 for what he's done. The story goes that he left because Ferguson didn't trust him in a league game against Blackburn when more or less every midfielder was injured. The reason he didn't trust him was because of his positional sense and discipline, or lack of it.
He literally hasn't developed in terms of his positional awareness since he was a teenager based on what I've seen.
Can't wait for him and the circus that surrounds him to go to be honest. I foolishly thought that him staying and been given the role of "experienced player given all the trust and there to guide the youngsters around him" might get a song out him. Reality is, his performances have been even more reckless all things considered and have already cost us points (and I'm not referring to the penalty miss in this).
Ole was wrong to keep him. Should have let him go when he was kicking up a fuss and signed a replacement. Once again his lack of consistency will be a major factor in where we finish, and he will only need replacing next summer when another manager (probably) decides he's not worth the hassle (and I refer to all the baggage that comes with having him here, not him personally). Question is, if he has yet another poor season (yes, ANOTHER. Please spare me the memes with last season's stats. He was his usual self for 6 and a half of the 9 months), will there be any takers at the money we'll be asking?
Would love to have egg on my face come May, but given the last 3 years and the opening 4 games of this season, I've reached the point where I'd even strongly consider putting my mortgage on me not having.
He is definitely our best player. Not really close either, he’s been used wrong in the deeper role however. Should be moved to number 10 when Fred is back in the team & James on the left so they won’t get in each other’s way like with Sánchez who was always cutting inside.
We need to sell him next summer sadly though & buy at least 2/3 quality midfielders players & Sancho. Pogba is probably a better player than Sancho will ever be but our fan base seems to resent him which isn’t healthy for club or player.
Watching Madrid tonight he’s gonna have the same problems there too imo. Poor finishing & erratic players around him. Luckily their league is a bit easier but he’ll get good numbers for any side atm.
We need to sell him next summer sadly though & buy at least 2/3 quality midfielders players & Sancho. Pogba is probably a better player than Sancho will ever be but our fan base seems to resent him which isn’t healthy for club or player.
Watching Madrid tonight he’s gonna have the same problems there too imo. Poor finishing & erratic players around him. Luckily their league is a bit easier but he’ll get good numbers for any side atm.