Leftback99
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My guess is the new Watford manager won't do much better.
Lets wait and see...My guess is the new Watford manager won't do much better.
I don't trust Ole but we're stuck with him till the end of the season. Anything else will lead to yet another knee jerk action with the new manager being blamed of all the ills caused by Ole's inexperience and the board's incompetence.Well...sack him now mean nothing seriously. There will still be no DOF, there is no reason to believe Ed and co can choose the next Klopp.
I would rather trust Ole. Afterall he did love United and in my opinion, he's a smart guy. His signing has been good so far and he did clear out some deadwood. The only problem I have with him is his clear favouritism toward Rashford and Lingard but I still hope he will prove me wrong.
Care to tell us who they appointed as the new manager?United needs to stop living in fantasty land and get back to reality. this is not a fairytale, it's business. Watford is acting more like a big club. No other club in the world would let a rookie manager stink up the place like United have done with Ole.
Last 4 seasons:Lets wait and see...
Watford have, in recent years, established themselves a PL club by being utterly ruthless with their managers.
They regularly do this, and they most often do well from it.
I don't think there's a single person who could genuinely argue that Pochettino hasn't done a great job over the last 5 years at Spurs. He's loved universally by all Spurs fan which is very telling.Trophyless?
Yes many don't want Ole sacked right now but rather that he be assessed without favouritism like any Man United manager should.I don't trust Ole but we're stuck with him till the end of the season. Anything else will lead to yet another knee jerk action with the new manager being blamed of all the ills caused by Ole's inexperience and the board's incompetence.
Ole and the board made their bed with this unbalanced side filled with hungry players from the local pond. They need to lay into it.
that was always my biggest fear regarding us bringing in a 'homegrown' manager. Strictly speaking there's nothing wrong with that. Other clubs had done it with mixed success (Juve had Conte but also Ferrara. AC Milan had Capello but also Gattuso etc). However United are different. We're the most sentimental big club there is. If we can't find in our hearts to kick Jones out of the club after years producing only facial expressions then how on earth are we going to fire Ole?Yes many don't want Ole sacked right now but rather that he be assessed without favouritism like any Man United manager should.
So we are agreeing there is context to stats, rendering the thread pointless without further contextWhat are the last 5 years like for Poch?
False equivalency. Pochettino turned Spurs into top 4 regulars and CL finalists on £5m net spend in 5 years. Ole had a decent 3 month run for us, and has been dismal ever since.What's the last 16 games like for Pochettino? Guess Spurs should sack him too right?
For club's like Watford, it's about remaining in the PL, and they have.Last 4 seasons:
15/16 45 points (Sanchez Flores)
16/17 40 points (Mazzarri)
17/18 41 points (Silva/Gracia)
18/19 50 points (Gracia)
An average of 44 points. Lets see if they beat it by much if at all.
Yeah that was what i was referencing. Whilst i agree 4 games is too small a sample and the league has been weirdly even this season bar city and liverpool, this run has been going since march. So although we shouldn't sack him now, if we are bottom half at christmas (which is where we would be if our last 16 games match the next 16), what then?The only (slight) exaggeration was the 03/04 comment, the rest is exactly what I think, and frankly I don't think anyone reasonable could disagree with it.
Fans who want Ole sacked 4 games into the season after 6 months in charge with the squad and club in the state are, in my opinion, acting like spoiled children.
Thanks for this post. Our fanbase have finally bought into Ed's vision. A club of our stature starting a season with no expectations whatsoever. It is ridiculous beyond description.I've said many times, Ed Woodward should be in possession of a fecking medal for the job he's done in forcing the fans to accept mediocrity. He's managed to slowly but steadily erode any form of expectation or protest among our fanbase, and he's done such a good job of it that the majority of fans are expecting us to struggle to finish SIXTH for the 2019/20. Sixth.
It's an incredible job to be honest. I have to take my hat off to him, the bloke is an absolute genius when it comes to his job.
That's fair ask. You can definitely criticize the manager but looking around it feels like people have already started digging the grave after 4 games which is way way overboard.Yes many don't want Ole sacked right now but rather that he be assessed without favouritism like any Man United manager should.
Yeah pretty much.So we are agreeing there is context to stats, rendering the thread pointless without further context
Only took the one reply for this tired facile comparison to be rolled out for the umpteenth time. Well done.What's the last 16 games like for Pochettino? Guess Spurs should sack him too right?
I presume you wanted Mourinho sacked? Now you want Ole sacked? How long exactly are you willing to give managers before you sack them?United needs to stop living in fantasty land and get back to reality. this is not a fairytale, it's business. Watford is acting more like a big club. No other club in the world would let a rookie manager stink up the place like United have done with Ole.
Because this is our new reality and we've made up reasons to comfort us and be more optimistic.
What then? We give him the time and patience he needs to sort out the squad and club. Football doesn't end next May.Yeah that was what i was referencing. Whilst i agree 4 games is too small a sample and the league has been weirdly even this season bar city and liverpool, this run has been going since march. So although we shouldn't sack him now, if we are bottom half at christmas (which is where we would be if our last 16 games match the next 16), what then?
Depends on the manager, a historically bad run of results should lead to a swift sacking. Ole should have been gone in May already.I presume you wanted Mourinho sacked? Now you want Ole sacked? How long exactly are you willing to give managers before you sack them?
You missed 'last season doesn't count, we need a pre-season' to 'he needs at least 2-3 years'Because 'running'
Because 'tradition'
Because '1999 treble winning goal'
Because 'rebuild'
Because 'we've tried big name managers... so now we must do this'
Because 'fixing culture at the club - like Fergie did'
Because 'Pogba is on Instagram'
Because 'FIFA playing fans don't understand what Ole is doing'
Btw @MyOnlySolskjaer - you should change title to 'Lower than Watford'.
Pretty much were I am at, it makes zero sense to get rid of Ole right now. Let him ride this season out.I don't trust Ole but we're stuck with him till the end of the season. Anything else will lead to yet another knee jerk action with the new manager being blamed of all the ills caused by Ole's inexperience and the board's incompetence.
Ole and the board made their bed with this unbalanced side filled with hungry players from the local pond. They need to lay into it.
So if Ole should have gone in May you're basically saying as soon as a manger has a bad run they should get the sack?Depends on the manager, a historically bad run of results should lead to a swift sacking. Ole should have been gone in May already.
Well said. It is fan like those that are the reason our standards has become so low. Using those kind of false equivalency to try and justify our poor form. It is not just that our record is poor, but anyone that watches us play knows that our football is appalling. Ole would never do what Pochettino has done and he would have us battling relegation if he had the resources Pochettino had at Spurs.False equivalency. Pochettino turned Spurs into top 4 regulars and CL finalists on £5m net spend in 5 years. Ole had a decent 3 month run for us, and has been dismal ever since.
Think before you type for god sake.
It's undeniable we have lowered our standards, both our management and our fans. Would Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Juventus etc accept this? No, they would not. Those were the clubs we were once equal to, so clearly we have lowered our standards. We're basically Arsenal now, 4th would be a celebration. Pathetic FC.
And for the record, Arsenal lowered their standards in 2006 when they moved into the Emirates, they have never got back to where they were. We need to wake the feck up or we could be looking at a decade of irrelevance.
Same with me. Top 8 or Ole out.No dropping of standards here. For me it's top six or bust for Ole!
True. But one manages a club that should be more than capable of getting more than 3 wins out of 16, whilst the other may face tougher teams relative to what he has, and have a tricky job with >5 wins in 16.I'm assuming context comes into play. One is a new manager therefore afforded time to try and do his own things while other one had that run while already being well established and accustomed.
It's not black and white
Champions league finalist, continual top four finishes .... completely brainless perspectiveWhat's the last 16 games like for Pochettino? Guess Spurs should sack him too right?
Ha ha.What then? We give him the time and patience he needs to sort out the squad and club. Football doesn't end next May.
No dropping of standards here. For me it's top six or bust for Ole!
We’re not entitled to be finishing top 6-8 every year you know? its a tough league mate, top half finish should be enough to give him next season imo.Same with me. Top 8 or Ole out.
With you here pal. Have to wonder what kind of lives people on here lead, what they actually do to consider themselves supporters and whether or not they have a clue how football, let alone sport works.Ffs, these threads, fecking unbeliavable, every other thread, nothing better to do? No patience, no support, just constant bitching and moaning, like kids in toy shop not capable to decide which toy they want.
You people need a hug and a life, and I need to log off from Caf, to save myself from gettin unnecessery annoyed by football Einsteins.
Same with me. Top 8 or Ole out.