Wait a second, are you saying that it was solely Ole who vetoed Dybala?
Why are we dropping the standards for Ole?
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Weren't there quite a few posters who said they were happy to be midtable if Utd would only just played exciting games? Seems like Ole was signed to play well, not make top 4 -- as people said, being 2nd was meaningless when Jose did it.
I didn't think playing as a midtable team would be that exciting to watch, perhaps we'll get to find out.
I didn't think playing as a midtable team would be that exciting to watch, perhaps we'll get to find out.
Maybe we also get to find out when Jose can stop stealth-begging for employment on skysports
It is both really. The coaching team should of course include the manager.
I completely agree with you about those players you have mentioned and as a result worry about how the new signings will develop. They have all started well but the concern is that they will stagnate like those you mentioned.
In term who, sadly I have no idea.
But I have to say that I have been less than impressed with Carrick, Phelan and McKenna.
The advances in modern coaching seem to have bypassed United and for a club like ours that is unacceptable.
By doing what, exactly?
The only way to make a difference is to stop giving them money. Stop renewing a season ticket to watch mid-table dross. Unless that happens, Ed is laughing his way to the bank. Unfortunately, this will involve fans having to turn on Ole in some shape or form - IE - stop supporting the team in the ground and stop attending games. You can't do one without the other and expect any difference to be made. Even if fans are chanting 'Woodward out' at home games, guess what? They're still attending those home games. Ed wins.
And some people see him as the solution not a continuation of mistakes. Astounding what nostalgia can do
Why did we sack Mourinho last season then??He won 2 trophies in his 1st season,we finished 2nd in his second season....We miserably failed to back him in the transfer window....and then we sacked him after a few months.Okay,Mourinho had issues with 3-4 players,but if not finishing 4th is acceptable now then it should have been acceptable in Mourinhos last season as well...
Mourinho would be happy to toe the party line, knowing he had no chance of competing? Your answer for everything is in there. You can bet that the Glazers are over the moon with the current arrangement.
Ridiculous knee jerk judgement. It took SAF 5/6 years (no transfer windows) to sort out the club when he first joined, Ole has had 9 months, in that time he's got rid of a significant amount of dead wood, the players he's bought have started the season extremely well, he's targeted exactly the same profile of player that starred at the club during our most successful periods including targetting the continents most talented academy age players, he's changed the style of play significantly and he's refused to sign players to aren't fully committed to the club and it's future whilst getting our talented youngsters involved in the first team, all of which are are massive improvement on the previous 6 years.
'Fans' who can't see past the result of the previous game need to wind their necks in and get some perspective.
Im happy to be mid table this year while we rebuild and as long as we play like a team and develop a core of players who care and give everything for the team.
I’m happy to see our team stripped back, good riddance to the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez.
A loss against Leicester today and this place will be toxic (as it has been after the last few games) but even if that is the outcome, as long as our players put it in and give everything I won’t complain.
Comparing Ole to SAF in anyway is just mind boggling. It's utterly laughable and pointless to do so. They're not of the same league in terms of managers, in fact Ole is probably bottom half in the PL, he's simply not got the pedigree, experience or talent to do the job. He's out of his depth.
Changed the style of play? Eh? I see the same clueless and toothless play that we've been famous for over the last 5 or so years.
'Fans' who think they're better 'fans' by sticking up for us becoming more and more mediocre are the most bizarre of 'fans' of all.
This very post here is the encapsulation of why this thread was even created. You have dropped your standards.
We are going nowhere under Ole, but further and further away from being a top club. Enjoy these years of Liverpool and City dominance, while we hold the moral high ground of United way and all that shit.
Nice false equivalency with the Fergie comparison. People used that one with Moyes too. What style of play do we have exactly? Pass the ball to James and hope he does something? We are diabolical to watch, and have no clue how to attack or defend.
I agree, comparing the achievements, pedigree, experience and talent of the greatest manager who has ever lived with a manager who is pretty much at the start of his career is pointless, I was comparing the situation of the club in 1986 to the situation at the club now. If it took a manager of SAFs pedigree and talent 5/6 years to turn the club around what makes people think Ole can do it now in 9 months?
I was judging the decisions Ole has taken and the changes he's made, all of which are exactly what the club needed and continues to need.
People who can't see this, or don't care about it, should go and support Real Madrid where absurb impatience is commonplace.
Patience is all well and good if its with someone who deserves it. Ole isn't the one. There's nothing to point to him being the answer either.
No I haven't dropped my standards, I just understand that the changes the team requires take much longer than Ole has had and the decisions he's taken so far are precisely the correct ones.
It's got nothing to do with nostalga or irrational loyalty to Ole, it's judging him on what he's done so far off the pitch and on it.
Yes there is, for examples see the list I gave of the changes he's made and decisions he's taken so far in the post you quoted above.
Only manager we have had since SAF where the players have improved their ability was under LVG.
People talking about the current direction we have now as being a step in the right direction, i would disagree. Both in regards to manager and players.
This is a MUST win otherwise the clock is ticking.
You honestly can’t be judging Ole on that as he’s overseen an absolutely embarrassing transfer window where we lack quality & depth from last season & style of play is non existent plus results are awful.
What does this euphemism mean exactly? Seems like Utd is steadily losing its reputation as a destination for players who strive to be the best in the game. Do we want hard-working players now, rather than elite talents?
In fairness, we play like a relegation threatened team so standards are where they probably should be.
The season is 4.5 games old, calm down with the rash judgements.
As for an embarassing transfer window, we got rid of Darmian, Sanchez, Lukaku, Valencia Smalling, whilst getting in the best CB we could, a RB that is performing excellently and a winger who has started the season on fire, we also didn't fall into the trap of previous windows of throwing money at players who aren't committed to the club.
In addition we also made several very promising additions to the academy and promoted very talented youngsters to the first team.
It was a decent window and a step in the right direction.
lunacy
Basing it on last season as well as this one.
If you honestly believe we’ve had a good transfer window then good luck to you. Let’s see if we do better this season then
The constant comparison to SAF and belief that Solskjær is going to repeat what SAF did is not only delusional it’s also an insult to SAF. Solskjaer is not SAF.
But by your logic, it took Pep £400m to turn City into what they are so hey give Big Sam £400m and he’ll achieve the same. Utter nonsense! The same scalpel won’t yield the same results in different surgeons hands.
He’s changed the style of play? Yes and our players look lost and clueless. There is no pattern of play or idea when going from transition between defence to attack. When our attackers are around the opposition box they look lost.. so yeah good luck countering against teams that defend deep.
No. Players just don’t want to play for Ole. He’s not seen as the man who can turn United around. Maguire’s first choice was City to play under Pep but City didn’t value him above £60m.
Massive improvement on the past 6 years? In the past 6 years we’ve won the FA Cup, Europa Cup, finished top 4 and finished 2nd. Now we’ll probably finish outside of the top 7... honestly some people can’t see the obvious until it happens. It’s like under Moyes in early October some people realised he’d take us outside top 4 but others couldn’t imagine it.
The constant comparison to SAF and belief that Solskjær is going to repeat what SAF did is not only delusional it’s also an insult to SAF. Solskjaer is not SAF.
But by your logic, it took Pep £400m to turn City into what they are so hey give Big Sam £400m and he’ll achieve the same. Utter nonsense! The same scalpel won’t yield the same results in different surgeons hands.
He’s changed the style of play? Yes and our players look lost and clueless. There is no pattern of play or idea when going from transition between defence to attack. When our attackers are around the opposition box they look lost.. so yeah good luck countering against teams that defend deep.
No. Players just don’t want to play for Ole. He’s not seen as the man who can turn United around. Maguire’s first choice was City to play under Pep but City didn’t value him above £60m.
Massive improvement on the past 6 years? In the past 6 years we’ve won the FA Cup, Europa Cup, finished top 4 and finished 2nd. Now we’ll probably finish outside of the top 7... honestly some people can’t see the obvious until it happens. It’s like under Moyes in early October some people realised he’d take us outside top 4 but others couldn’t imagine it until it happened.
Standards have dropped massively.
He's a shit manager. Worst in the top 12. So the standard has to drop.
You can only do so much with the tools in hand.
We got the 3 points. Hopefully build upon that and keep clean sheets like this again. We've been unlucky on a few ocassions with the missed penalties and poor goals (or worldies) conceded.
The only gripe I might have is that Axel Tuanzebe seems to be a better option than Lindelof who continues to be shaky when under pressure, especially in the air.
We got the 3 points. Hopefully build upon that and keep clean sheets like this again. We've been unlucky on a few ocassions with the missed penalties and poor goals (or worldies) conceded.
The only gripe I might have is that Axel Tuanzebe seems to be a better option than Lindelof who continues to be shaky when under pressure, especially in the air.
Because he's building a team which will probably last more than 1 or 2 years before we need to 'clear the deadwood' again
He might not take us to the top of the table but
a) he is giving youth a chance
b) he is signing the right players
c) he has stopped the rebellion that was under Mourinho - now only Pogba appears to be leaving
d) he is getting rid of the players no one wants.
Worst thing that happens is that we get a lot stronger side without results and we get another poor season - we will still be in a lot better position.
Has it ever occurred to people here that OGS risks sacrificing his own job to do what everyone wants him to do ? With the players he took over, he had to take one step back to take 2 steps forward. Will it work for him ? No one knows - but what he is doing now had to be done.
For me it means I’d rather have an Ashley Young than a Di Maria in the team. AdM is a far better player but only turned up for his salary whereas Young cares and will always give his all.
Huddersfield players cared and gave their all last season - they relegated.
Nowhere did I say I expect Ole to replicate what SAF did, no one could, I said it took a genius in SAF 5/6 years to turn the club around yet people like yourself are calling for Ole's head after 9 months because we're not top of the league. It's utterly idiotic.
The changes he's made are spot on, the decisions he's taken are exactly the right one's, it's not about the next game, the next 10 games or even this season, it's about making the correct decisions now so we're in the right position in 3/4 seasons time.
If you can't see that then you're just wrong, and if you don't care then United really isn't the club for you, maybe you'd be happier supporting City or Madrid.
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That’s both the most immature and most INSECURE thing people can say
OK, little point in continuing this seeing as you're just avoiding the points I made.
No - I think you have him beat with your comment.
I don’t see any footballing improvement in our style of play. He’s tactically naive. Depends on the counter attack, doesn’t make in play changes to adapt to what’s happening in the match. Signings have been good, but we’re still weaker as he didn’t replace Fellaini/Herrera
So yeah. I addressed all of your initial points. It’s you that ignored mine.
100% correct.