Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Oldyella]

Oh my life, I didn’t realise managers had ceilings as well.

Everyone has a ceiling..

 

[RooneyLegend]

I think he's improved us in almost every aspect since he took over.

What exactly has improved?

 

[Mainoldo]

And Craig Bellamy who probably knows Cardiff better than most said something like: He didn't do a very good job, but no one could have done a good job at that time in Cardiff

Like how Gary Neville knows United?

 

[Tarrou]

What exactly has improved?

the defence?

 

[Wumminator]

What exactly has improved?

Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.

Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.

I admire the positivity, however theres no point being positive for nothing. We've been down this road before. The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.

 

[Wumminator]

Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.

I admire the positivity, however theres no point being positive for nothing. We've been down this road before. The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.

I was there yesterday. Hard game. I was happy enough.

 

[RooneyLegend]

I was there yesterday. Hard game. I was happy enough.

You'd be happy for anything then.

 

[Tarrou]

Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.

I admire the positivity, however theres no point being positive for nothing. We've been down this road before. The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.

The question was whether or not its been improved or not. Do you remember the last few months performances under Jose?

Surely you can see we are clearly playing better than that? The club was in free-fall when Ole took over.

 

[RooneyLegend]

the defence?

Its still nowhere near good enough.

 

[mattunited1978]

Oles infuriating me with his handling of Gomes, Which goes against all his big talk of the united way,the lads all class and couldnt possibly do any worse than Mata or Lingard, he wouldnt need to be David Silva right out the gate to improve us.

But to give Ole some credit for yesterday, that starting 11 was awful, to manufacturer 3 points against a decent team, wasnt a bad job.

 

[Tarrou]

Its still nowhere near good enough.

That wasn't the question.

 

[rotherham_red]

What about all of our embarrassing defeats at the tail end of last season. How about our embarrassing defeat to palace who have scored all but 2 goals all season and a relegation side.

The 4-0 victory we had over Chelsea is everyone's defence but no one takes responsibility to see that the balance of the game doesn't reflect the scores. Chelsea hit the post twice in the first half and got undone by mistakes. If fans want to glorify penalties as to the reason why we aren't top of the league than you have to also balance the scales to realise we should have been 2-0 down at half time during that fixture.

Lampard is a better coach / manager than Solskjaer given their accomplishments. Solskjaer beat Poch last season at Wembley I guess he's an inferior coach too.

You want to talk about last season when three of our best players so far this season weren't even at the club.

Shit results happen, especially when you have the youngest squad in the league (yes, even younger than this fabled Chelsea side). We will inevitably be inconsistent between and even within games. Spurs lost to an even worse Newcastle the same weekend we lost to Palace, where's the vitriol for Poch, who coincidentally has a worse record than Ole in the last 18 games?

Also; I just want to check, is this the same Lampard who took a floundering Derby who finished 6th the season before, added a bunch of Chelsea youth prodigies, and ended up.... 6th?

 

[Mainoldo]

They've made their minds up and are desperate to be proved right. It's like they wanted to lose yesterday.

Pathetic. No United fan wants the team to lose to prove a point. But if you have an opinion why are you expecting people to change just to appease harmony when nothing is clearly going right at this club.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.

Our performances are the same as under Mourinho's first season. I would say for this season atleast that we don't give up and keep trying even though it doesn't lead to much but still a step in the right direction.
Our three transfers are playing well so far. But the key point here is they were trained somewhere else. Let's see what they do in few months when they are ingrained in the United way. Bearing in mind we haven't improved a player since De Gea.
The only difference in style of play I can see is that we press for first 25 mins and then play Mourinho's style after.
Our squad is worse overall. Defence has improved while our midfield and attack has gone worse.

What he has done is removed toxicity from the club and some deadwood. He has also shown a lot of trust in younger players like Mc Tominay, Rashford and Martial which is helping them and might even lead to them improving. His in-game management in the last game was better as well, so he is learning.

 

[Mainoldo]

You want to talk about last season when three of our best players so far this season weren't even at the club.

Shit results happen, especially when you have the youngest squad in the league (yes, even younger than this fabled Chelsea side). We will inevitably be inconsistent between and even within games. Spurs lost to an even worse Newcastle the same weekend we lost to Palace, where's the vitriol for Poch, who coincidentally has a worse record than Ole in the last 18 games?

Also; I just want to check, is this the same Lampard who took a floundering Derby who finished 6th the season before, added a bunch of Chelsea youth prodigies, and ended up.... 6th?

This is the Jose Mourinho affect all over again. Teams lose games hell City lost yesterday. But clearly the way we are developing this team shows no promise.

The fanbase is filled with blind hope. It’s like when we finished 2nd and fans couldn’t see Liverpool had made more progress.

*Just realised who I was responding to. No shock here.

 

[Leftback99]

The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.

I think that's where all of you who want Solskjaer sacked already will be wrong. The days of the quick fix you want are over, it's not top 4 or bust. I don't think even Woodward is daft enough to think £70m net is enough to guarantee top 4.

 

[Leftback99]

Pathetic. No United fan wants the team to lose to prove a point. But if you have an opinion why are you expecting people to change just to appease harmony when nothing is clearly going right at this club.

So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.

 

[Mainoldo]

So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.

They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.

The board should have made the sensible decision not the fans.

 

[Judas]

So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.

Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?

The shortest period of time was when we actually played well under Ole, the larger period of time we've been far from convincing.

You speak like 6 months ago is 6 days ago, that's ages in football.

 

[noodlehair]

What exactly has improved?

Pretty much everything except our set pieces and ability to score penalties.

I mean it's actually possible to like and get behind this team because you can see the effort they put into games. Although some people just seen bafflingly determined not to get behind them

 

[Wumminator]

“Nothing is clearly going right at the club”

It’s the most optimistic I’ve been in years! So many things are going well.

 

[noodlehair]

Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?

The shortest period of time was when we actually played well under Ole, the larger period of time we've been far from convincing.

You speak like 6 months ago is 6 days ago, that's ages in football.

We've had 5 games this season and played well in 4 of them. We're two missed penalties away from potentially being 2nd despite a tricky opening set of fixtures.

I'm still on the fence with Ole but this isn't people changing their opinion on the evidence in front of them. It's people with unrealistic expectations and no patience changing their opinion based on ignoring everything except the results of a very small set of games.

I read stuff on here and I'm completely convinced the people posting either don't watch our games at all or what they post would be no different either way.

 

[Judas]

Pretty much everything except our set pieces and ability to score penalties.

I mean it's actually possible to like and get behind this team because you can see the effort they put into games. Although some people just seen bafflingly determined not to get behind them

I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.

 

[Leftback99]

They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.

The board should have made the sensible decision not the fans.

We can't change manager after every bad run.

Maybe the board have made a sensible decision and have a long term plan for once. Something a few of you were saying we should do a few months ago.

 

[Wumminator]

We've had 5 games this season and played well in 4 of them. We're two missed penalties away from potentially being 2nd despite a tricky opening set of fixtures.

I'm still on the fence with Ole but this isn't people changing their opinion on the evidence in front of them. It's people with unrealistic expectations and no patience changing their opinion based on ignoring everything except the results of a very small set of games.

I think I’ve been able to wipe the end of last season from my mind. We were abject but we had injuries pile up, a load of deadwood and looked lethargic.

This season we’ve looked better, had a younger squad, saved millions and have signed some class young players.

Some people seem incapable of putting the end of last season into context. We were running on fumes.

 

[Wumminator]

I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.

Exactly. It’s easy to focus on the positives when there is so much that is going right.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It's posts like these that I'll never get. We are giving youth enough chances now.

People always bring up Chelsea's case of how he's giving Tammy Abraham and Mount a chance and all whereas Gomes and Greenwood are warming our bench.
1. Tammy is 21, Mount is 20, not 17! If you want to compare him to any of our players, it would be Rashford.
2. Our average age and Chelsea's average age in all the games has been similar. At full strength, ours would be slightly younger
3. We play more 23 and younger players than Chelsea who play just the 4 (Pulisic, Tammy and Mount Timori - who may not be a starter)

Also, before people sing praises of how LVG would bring youngsters in, only 3 of his starting XIs in PL were younger than our side in the first 3 games of the season (1 in his 1st season and 2 in his second season) https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/durchschnittsalter/verein/985/plus/0?reldata=GB1&

So, I'm not sure how much more are people expecting here

Tammy and Mason have league experience which will have been vital in their development. We have always laughed at Chelsea and their loaning of players, but because of their ban it could now be paying off. Where our kids have been stuck in the academy leagues playing against other kids. Apart from Henderson, we have been loaning out kids we are not very sure about and keeping the ones that are supposedly the next best thing. Maybe it is the latter who should have been out learning their trade. Yet people want them to be thrown in and will moan when Mason Greenwood isn't banging the goals in at senior level, or James Garner struggles a bit in midfield. I am sure Ole will give some of them a chance in the EL and cups, but people will have to be patient and not expect too much too soon.

 

[noodlehair]

I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.

And we weren't a great team last season either, and had a lot of problems to sort out with the squad. What exactly were people expecting Ole to do? Have us thrashing teams 8-0 after 1 transfer window and pre season?.

 

[Judas]

We can't change manager after every bad run.

Maybe the board have made a sensible decision and have a long term plan for once. Something a few of you were saying we should do a few months ago.

The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.

 

[Leftback99]

Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?

The shortest period of time was when we actually played well under Ole, the larger period of time we've been far from convincing.

You speak like 6 months ago is 6 days ago, that's ages in football.

We weren't even playing for 3 months of it.

 

[webbs]

Can people just have patience for a few months instead of jumping to a conclusion for the sake of an argument.
Ole has taken us in the right direction, how far does he is go in it is something only time will tell.
No need for kneejerk reactions after every game.

 

[Cassidy]

The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.

Wrong question, is he the right interim man until we find the one long term?

 

[Wumminator]

The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.

But why not back him? What’s the possible harm?

He’s not spending loads, his signings look good. What is the harm?

With Mourinho (supposedly one of the best managers in the world) he bought aging has beens who we struggle to get rid of. He grew the wage bill and average age of the team.

Ole is giving youngsters a go, saved millions in wages and his young signings look great.

There’s no harm in backing him.

 

[Leftback99]

The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.

The super experienced and previously successful managers got us nowhere. How much evidence do we need that the manager is only a small part of getting us back on track.

 

[noodlehair]

I think I’ve been able to wipe the end of last season from my mind. We were abject but we had injuries pile up, a load of deadwood and looked lethargic.

This season we’ve looked better, had a younger squad, saved millions and have signed some class young players.

Some people seem incapable of putting the end of last season into context. We were running on fumes.

I would judge Ole from this season onwards because he has changed the way the team plays and made a lot of changes to the squad, so last season he clearly wasn't able to do what he wanted.

Even so, based on Ole's results last season we would have finished 3rd and very comfortably ahead of 4th and 5th.

People on here are just, for some reason, bafflingly determined to be against their own team.

 

[Tarrou]

But why not back him? What’s the possible harm?

He’s not spending loads, his signings look good. What is the harm?

With Mourinho (supposedly one of the best managers in the world) he bought aging has beens who we struggle to get rid of. He grew the wage bill and average age of the team.

Ole is giving youngsters a go, saved millions in wages and his young signings look great.

There’s no harm in backing him.

I think some people have convinced themselves that not backing him is the right thing to do for the club. Which is a bit silly really as Woody will obviously give him more time than this.

One thing I would say is that even if Ole isn't the right man to take us to the top, he might still be the right man to help us progress and put the right processes in place. He could still be great for the club even if he leaves in 2/3 seasons; if he gets rid of the deadwood, brings youth through, gets the right players in with the right mentality, and sets up the club correctly so we can kick on with a more modern approach to managing a football club. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, like it was with Moyes, LVG and Jose.

 

[Mike Phelan's Former Tash]

They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.

The board should have made the sensible decision not the fans.

Not accurate, for me at least. Of all the managers we've had post SAF, Ole seems to be the only one brave enough to plan for the medium to long term.

Most of the sh*t has been moved on, the squad is young and they look hungry to me. I like what he's doing, it won't happen overnight but we're heading in the right direction for the first time in years.

Ole may not be the world's greatest manager, he may be a little nieve at times with his comments and decisions but he's the right man for United right now.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.

All of that is wrong. Delusional.

We don’t look like a decent team, no real pattern to our play as we don’t have a decent manager. We don’t have a style of play, our squad is worse than last season with an atrocious transfer window where we have got weaker overall leaving our midfield & attack so weak & lack of quality it’s disgraceful

 

[Wumminator]

All of that is wrong. Delusional.

We don’t look like a decent team, no real pattern to our play as we don’t have a decent manager. We don’t have a style of play, our squad is worse than last season with an atrocious transfer window where we have got weaker overall leaving our midfield & attack so weak & lack of quality it’s disgraceful

We don't look a decent team based on our performances this year?

Out of interest, who do you think has looked 'decent' this year in the Premier League?