Oldyella
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Everyone has a ceiling..Oh my life, I didn’t realise managers had ceilings as well.
Everyone has a ceiling..Oh my life, I didn’t realise managers had ceilings as well.
What exactly has improved?I think he's improved us in almost every aspect since he took over.
Like how Gary Neville knows United?And Craig Bellamy who probably knows Cardiff better than most said something like: He didn't do a very good job, but no one could have done a good job at that time in Cardiff
the defence?What exactly has improved?
Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.What exactly has improved?
Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.
I was there yesterday. Hard game. I was happy enough.Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.
I admire the positivity, however theres no point being positive for nothing. We've been down this road before. The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.
You'd be happy for anything then.I was there yesterday. Hard game. I was happy enough.
The question was whether or not its been improved or not. Do you remember the last few months performances under Jose?Our performances are trash, did you not watch the match yesterday? no one really knows our style of play so thats more a myth than anything and our squad isn't better, its somehow managed to become weaker.
I admire the positivity, however theres no point being positive for nothing. We've been down this road before. The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.
Its still nowhere near good enough.the defence?
That wasn't the question.Its still nowhere near good enough.
You want to talk about last season when three of our best players so far this season weren't even at the club.What about all of our embarrassing defeats at the tail end of last season. How about our embarrassing defeat to palace who have scored all but 2 goals all season and a relegation side.
The 4-0 victory we had over Chelsea is everyone's defence but no one takes responsibility to see that the balance of the game doesn't reflect the scores. Chelsea hit the post twice in the first half and got undone by mistakes. If fans want to glorify penalties as to the reason why we aren't top of the league than you have to also balance the scales to realise we should have been 2-0 down at half time during that fixture.
Lampard is a better coach / manager than Solskjaer given their accomplishments. Solskjaer beat Poch last season at Wembley I guess he's an inferior coach too.
Pathetic. No United fan wants the team to lose to prove a point. But if you have an opinion why are you expecting people to change just to appease harmony when nothing is clearly going right at this club.They've made their minds up and are desperate to be proved right. It's like they wanted to lose yesterday.
Our performances are the same as under Mourinho's first season. I would say for this season atleast that we don't give up and keep trying even though it doesn't lead to much but still a step in the right direction.Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.
This is the Jose Mourinho affect all over again. Teams lose games hell City lost yesterday. But clearly the way we are developing this team shows no promise.You want to talk about last season when three of our best players so far this season weren't even at the club.
Shit results happen, especially when you have the youngest squad in the league (yes, even younger than this fabled Chelsea side). We will inevitably be inconsistent between and even within games. Spurs lost to an even worse Newcastle the same weekend we lost to Palace, where's the vitriol for Poch, who coincidentally has a worse record than Ole in the last 18 games?
Also; I just want to check, is this the same Lampard who took a floundering Derby who finished 6th the season before, added a bunch of Chelsea youth prodigies, and ended up.... 6th?
I think that's where all of you who want Solskjaer sacked already will be wrong. The days of the quick fix you want are over, it's not top 4 or bust. I don't think even Woodward is daft enough to think £70m net is enough to guarantee top 4.The moment in dawns on Woody that Ole wont get a top 4 spot, he'll be out the door.
So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.Pathetic. No United fan wants the team to lose to prove a point. But if you have an opinion why are you expecting people to change just to appease harmony when nothing is clearly going right at this club.
They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.
Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?So many of the current 'Solskjaer out' group have changed their opinion based on a short period of time I don't really take them seriously. Some of their posts from just 6 months ago make interesting reading.
Pretty much everything except our set pieces and ability to score penalties.What exactly has improved?
We've had 5 games this season and played well in 4 of them. We're two missed penalties away from potentially being 2nd despite a tricky opening set of fixtures.Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?
The shortest period of time was when we actually played well under Ole, the larger period of time we've been far from convincing.
You speak like 6 months ago is 6 days ago, that's ages in football.
I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.Pretty much everything except our set pieces and ability to score penalties.
I mean it's actually possible to like and get behind this team because you can see the effort they put into games. Although some people just seen bafflingly determined not to get behind them
We can't change manager after every bad run.They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.
The board should have made the sensible decision not the fans.
I think I’ve been able to wipe the end of last season from my mind. We were abject but we had injuries pile up, a load of deadwood and looked lethargic.We've had 5 games this season and played well in 4 of them. We're two missed penalties away from potentially being 2nd despite a tricky opening set of fixtures.
I'm still on the fence with Ole but this isn't people changing their opinion on the evidence in front of them. It's people with unrealistic expectations and no patience changing their opinion based on ignoring everything except the results of a very small set of games.
Exactly. It’s easy to focus on the positives when there is so much that is going right.I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.
Tammy and Mason have league experience which will have been vital in their development. We have always laughed at Chelsea and their loaning of players, but because of their ban it could now be paying off. Where our kids have been stuck in the academy leagues playing against other kids. Apart from Henderson, we have been loaning out kids we are not very sure about and keeping the ones that are supposedly the next best thing. Maybe it is the latter who should have been out learning their trade. Yet people want them to be thrown in and will moan when Mason Greenwood isn't banging the goals in at senior level, or James Garner struggles a bit in midfield. I am sure Ole will give some of them a chance in the EL and cups, but people will have to be patient and not expect too much too soon.It's posts like these that I'll never get. We are giving youth enough chances now.
People always bring up Chelsea's case of how he's giving Tammy Abraham and Mount a chance and all whereas Gomes and Greenwood are warming our bench.
1. Tammy is 21, Mount is 20, not 17! If you want to compare him to any of our players, it would be Rashford.
2. Our average age and Chelsea's average age in all the games has been similar. At full strength, ours would be slightly younger
3. We play more 23 and younger players than Chelsea who play just the 4 (Pulisic, Tammy and Mount Timori - who may not be a starter)
Also, before people sing praises of how LVG would bring youngsters in, only 3 of his starting XIs in PL were younger than our side in the first 3 games of the season (1 in his 1st season and 2 in his second season) https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/durchschnittsalter/verein/985/plus/0?reldata=GB1&
So, I'm not sure how much more are people expecting here
And we weren't a great team last season either, and had a lot of problems to sort out with the squad. What exactly were people expecting Ole to do? Have us thrashing teams 8-0 after 1 transfer window and pre season?.I'd agree that I like this team more than I have any other in many years, and I'm really happy to see the youngsters getting chances, even them just being on the bench is a positive. You can't say this team isn't trying, we're not a great team, but the effort is being put in.
The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.We can't change manager after every bad run.
Maybe the board have made a sensible decision and have a long term plan for once. Something a few of you were saying we should do a few months ago.
We weren't even playing for 3 months of it.Changing your opinion due to the evidence on display isn't a bad thing, I think its more odd that some still are very much Ole in, because what we've seen really doesn't for me justify that opinion. Being stubborn and sticking blindly to an opinion isn't exactly logical is it?
The shortest period of time was when we actually played well under Ole, the larger period of time we've been far from convincing.
You speak like 6 months ago is 6 days ago, that's ages in football.
Wrong question, is he the right interim man until we find the one long term?The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.
But why not back him? What’s the possible harm?The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.
The super experienced and previously successful managers got us nowhere. How much evidence do we need that the manager is only a small part of getting us back on track.The worry is Ole the right man to get this backing? The least experienced of the managers we've had since Fergie by far.
I would judge Ole from this season onwards because he has changed the way the team plays and made a lot of changes to the squad, so last season he clearly wasn't able to do what he wanted.I think I’ve been able to wipe the end of last season from my mind. We were abject but we had injuries pile up, a load of deadwood and looked lethargic.
This season we’ve looked better, had a younger squad, saved millions and have signed some class young players.
Some people seem incapable of putting the end of last season into context. We were running on fumes.
I think some people have convinced themselves that not backing him is the right thing to do for the club. Which is a bit silly really as Woody will obviously give him more time than this.But why not back him? What’s the possible harm?
He’s not spending loads, his signings look good. What is the harm?
With Mourinho (supposedly one of the best managers in the world) he bought aging has beens who we struggle to get rid of. He grew the wage bill and average age of the team.
Ole is giving youngsters a go, saved millions in wages and his young signings look great.
There’s no harm in backing him.
Not accurate, for me at least. Of all the managers we've had post SAF, Ole seems to be the only one brave enough to plan for the medium to long term.They might do. But they jumped on a bandwagon and let’s be honest the guys that have stayed loyal are only doing so based on that good run we had. Nothing else.
The board should have made the sensible decision not the fans.
All of that is wrong. Delusional.Our performances, our transfer dealings, our style of play and our squad.
We don't look a decent team based on our performances this year?All of that is wrong. Delusional.
We don’t look like a decent team, no real pattern to our play as we don’t have a decent manager. We don’t have a style of play, our squad is worse than last season with an atrocious transfer window where we have got weaker overall leaving our midfield & attack so weak & lack of quality it’s disgraceful