We're on course for 60 points if you want to extrapolate 5 games.
2 points behind City
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Have you taken account of XG though?
Sample size is too small. Liverpool are on course for 114.
What we've learnt after 5 games is that most teams are capable of upsetting the top 6 clubs on any matchday, so hopefully some of us here remember that next time we throw tantrums and call for change every time United don't win a match.
That's my point. We'll get a better idea in 10 games.
The logic that we could have been on 13/15 points doesn't really work. Big teams tend to have much of the ball/game against lesser teams, or at least enough chances to win those games. And hence you can always point to moments in those games that could have swung it your way. For example I'm sure Mourinho and LVG would apply this logic to many of this draws in disappointing seasons claiming "had we taken those chances we'd be on 85 points". But it doesn't work that way. Teams miss chances. Teams miss penalties. Moments go against you just they otherwise go for you (see our game Vs Chelsea or Liecester albiet lesser so).
You could use this logic if we had played spanking football and genuinely dominated in all the key metrics only for the rub of the green not to fall our way. But in truth, we were poor against Wolves in the second half, we were poor against Palace the whole game and again poor against Southampton in the 2nd. I didn't come away from any of those games thinking - that was an excellent performance despite the result.
Even if we had scored those penalties, won those two games and were only 2 points behind Liverpool but played the same way we still wouldn't be in the title race.
Nope. People were on Jose's back since the day he was signed. Ole's gotten a pass. Not saying that has been wrong. But to accept poor performances is not ok regardless of the guy.
To be clear, not saying sack the guy. Just saying why glorify nothing things like being'2 points behind city's nonsense. That's ridiculous. Especially at this stage of the season
How can any team "challenge" for the title in September 
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.Especially when Liverpool have already won it.How can any team "challenge" for the title in September
Don't be jealous mate, it's nearly time for the annual dusting of your trophy cabinet.How can any team "challenge" for the title in September
Who the feck thinks we are in the title race? Or ever would be this season
Odd response, how am I jealous when were ahead of you on goal difference
.Not gutted, but I think on similar lines.
Or it could be a tongue in cheek ironic post?
What Havak described, in the post you replied to, is pretty much what I saw in 2017-18, when we managed to stay in 2nd nearly all season, despite some far from excellent performances.
Not if you're SAF
Had We score those fecking penalties we'd have threads about us vs Liverpool for the league title.
Wow. 2 points behind City.
For anyone to feel that this is good then it just goes to illustrate how far we have dropped our standards.
At the start of the season we were level on points with both City and Liverpool....
For anyone to feel that this is good then it just goes to illustrate how far we have dropped our standards.
At the start of the season we were level on points with both City and Liverpool....
And Burnely and Newcastle.
So to be sure I understand you correctly, you claim that many people were on Jose’s back at the beginning of his stint here, but noone are on Ole’s back now? Maybe I have a different redcafe.net version to you, because on mine it takes a minute to find fifty posters on Ole’s back. You are just one of them.
Then I go through this thread looking to find someone who glorifies things. Glory, glory, never have fans been ones to glorify? I would expect quite a few glorifying their club on a fan forum, but in this thread? Can’t find it. Maybe we read letters different as well?
Someone has pointed out that we are 2 points behind City (a fact), pretty clearly as a response to a whole heap of posters complaining like we are in a crisis (context). And then 90 posts were about all of them are criticical to that post, to United etc. So this is the landscape were ‘Ole gets a free pass’ and people are ‘glorifying things’?
Either you don’t put much thought into what you claim when writing, or you are just being disingenuine.
The OP apparently
Day 1 of the job. Not this season. Go back to when Ole was made permanent and there's an obvious soft spot for him being a legend. The only critique I recall was his experience at the top level, but as a fit for the club he did seem to get a pass. Think it was LVG pointing out that Ole didn't exactly set up much differently to Jose .
I don't understand what you're saying here.
Well no. The OP is much more than that. It says we're in the title race. It's a literal context.
Is that meant to be slightly tongue in cheek? Maybe, but if so it's inflammatory. Nothing more than a WUM. Which I'm entitled to criticize as an asinine thread to start.
I already referenced another thread so no, you've missed the mark. My perspective is on a cumulative of opinions about Ole's time in charge spanning related threads. I'm sure you follow multiple threads so I don't know why you're hung up on that.
I think you, @esmufc07 and I all want the same thing: a bit of patience in letting the season unfold under Ole's management without overreaction or prematurely axing him. But I'm very very clear in admitting that my patience stems from the love for Ole as a club legend and being so fed up with the last several seasons. So im accepting that we are trying something new, between the stepwise transfer windows and squad clearance to bed in youth. I'm accepting that we're not going to function like a well oiled unit for a while. But it also means I and the rest of us should be critical of poor decisions and form. Because acknowledging deficiency is important to growing. So a WUM thread like this doesn't do any damn good. If anything it just agitates those who want success tomorrow rather than easing them into considering a bit more patience.
Bit of a prat though isn't he?
I think you, @esmufc07 and I all want the same thing: a bit of patience in letting the season unfold under Ole's management without overreaction or prematurely axing him. But I'm very very clear in admitting that my patience stems from the love for Ole as a club legend and being so fed up with the last several seasons. So im accepting that we are trying something new, between the stepwise transfer windows and squad clearance to bed in youth. I'm accepting that we're not going to function like a well oiled unit for a while. But it also means I and the rest of us should be critical of poor decisions and form. Because acknowledging deficiency is important to growing. So a WUM thread like this doesn't do any damn good. If anything it just agitates those who want success tomorrow rather than easing them into considering a bit more patience.[/QUOTE]
Ok, then I get more where you are coming from and I’ll disregard the rest. Suffice it to say that reading this thread, that was not my impression of what you wrote. I can agree with you about the needlessness of exaggerating or demonstrative posts like the OP, though I tend to read it mostly as a way of saying ‘all you people in the last five match day threads continuosly claming we are a rudderless heap of planks trapped in the Bermuda Triangle, we can’t be worse than Salford United when we are two points off City.’ Reading a lot of posts the last months to that general effect, I understand the sentiment. But better probably not to feed the polarizing drama by sweeping statements.
Ok, then I get more where you are coming from and I’ll disregard the rest. Suffice it to say that reading this thread, that was not my impression of what you wrote. I can agree with you about the needlessness of exaggerating or demonstrative posts like the OP, though I tend to read it mostly as a way of saying ‘all you people in the last five match day threads continuosly claming we are a rudderless heap of planks trapped in the Bermuda Triangle, we can’t be worse than Salford United when we are two points off City.’ Reading a lot of posts the last months to that general effect, I understand the sentiment. But better probably not to feed the polarizing drama by sweeping statements.
It's on!
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Lads, we're back!
You would be correct, if us losing was an isolated occurrence, but as we saw last season, after the PSG match, we were dreadful. Even the match against LCFC, required a penalty.
We're not playing champagne football, but getting unlucky, we are struggling to create good chances.
In any case, after the LCFC win, our league position isn't bad, so the people who want to be positive have every right to be positive.
Anyone noted that Shitty have conceded 2 more goals than United so far this season?
Another thread for that @esmufc07 Elvis?
Another thread for that @esmufc07 Elvis?
I am not trying to be negative here, believe me. But 2 points behind after 5 games of the season? Dont look too far into it.
Looking at logically, if they keep expanding the gap at a rate of 2 points every 5 games, we will be at least 14 points behind by the end of the season.
It's really not worth throwing these comments out there just yet though, let's sit tight and see if we can maintain the gap or jump above them sometime soon.
Looking at logically, if they keep expanding the gap at a rate of 2 points every 5 games, we will be at least 14 points behind by the end of the season.
It's really not worth throwing these comments out there just yet though, let's sit tight and see if we can maintain the gap or jump above them sometime soon.
More than all the mathematical gymnastics in this thread, it's how City have dropped those points that's interesting. They absolutely battered Spurs and would have won that game 9 times out of 10. Against Norwich, they were creating chances until the last minute.
United, in contrast, don't create half as many as City. There is no comparison I think; United will likely finish 15 points behind City again this season, unfortunately.
United, in contrast, don't create half as many as City. There is no comparison I think; United will likely finish 15 points behind City again this season, unfortunately.
It was a good weekend for us with results elsewhere with every other team that could have jumped ahead of us dripping points.
If spurs can get their act together they are probably the only equipped side that could finish above city this season into 2nd place, I still see only one winner now that city looked screwed defensively up until January.
If spurs can get their act together they are probably the only equipped side that could finish above city this season into 2nd place, I still see only one winner now that city looked screwed defensively up until January.
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Last season is last season. Different first XI. Probably (hopefully) a very different vibe in the dressing room. We are certainly not a free flowing team so far but I think we will improve. The next couple of games are big for us. We don't often win at West Ham and Arsenal are a direct competitor. 2 wins could be huge for our season.
More than that I suspect. City and Liverpool are the only sides capable of consistent victories in this division. My prediction outside of those two is that every other club has a minimum of 7 defeats.
Yeah and City have scored 8 more.
I get what you're saying, but we also lost games we have shot more than anyone else, almost 20+ times. I think we are entitled to get better points too in those games, it's not always a Leicester type of game. I don't know where we are heading, but I think momentum will be everything, and if Ole can hype our players up, there could be something interesting happening. We should also be super happy that all 3 of our signings are absolutely well integrated and seem to not be flops. At this point, I am just enjoying the 4th place. Yes, the 7 pts gap is a bit big but I think Liverpool will still do a bit of Liverpool and then, we will see what happens.
Where I really trust Ole is on the mental strength side, I think he can instill that to players in a way that maybe they never had the chance yet, even with Jose. By using their language, by extrapolating to his own experience. Hopefully that does the trick for this season.
it's coming home isn't it
Let's just hope it doesn't stay that way for too long. Because if it does the Dippers are surley walking the League
I admire your optimism and wished I had the same, but here are the issues with the points you have raised:
1 - Once United take the lead in games, we don't push for a second the way Pool and City do. The opposition then puts a few attacks together and are able to nick a point or better. Leicester game seems to be an exception - we rode our luck. Eventually over a season, our lack of efforts on goal will tell (we are 6th in the table in no. of shots).
2 - Agree that our 3 signings are looking great, but there are gaping holes in the team elsewhere in midfield and attack - not nearly enough for a team that wants to challenge.
3 - I hate to say it, but this Liverpool is unlike any other Liverpool of the Premiership era. They are good in every department and it will take another almost flawless campaign from City to stop them winning the title.
4 - Regarding Ole and making these players mentally tougher, it remains to be seen. Every time there's a small crisis (going behind etc.), they don't respond particularly well. Time will tell of course.
Its a bit bonkers that despite forgetting how to win a game for a few weeks we are somehow only 2 points off them.
Probably the big suprise is City lost to Norwich to begin with.
Probably the big suprise is City lost to Norwich to begin with.