The Argentine Solskjaer.....
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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They finished below Chelsea last season, a point ahead of Arsenal and at one stage was perilously close to finishing below us.
Levy was as important as anyone in building the current Spurs squad. So what has Poch achieved that deserves the praise he's garnered over recent years?
Yeah the decline started well at the end of last season and there were already murmurs about squad disharmony with the likes of Eriksen, Toby and Vertgonghen wanting to go. Spurs had some decent hits in past few years with players like Son, Alli, The Ajax trio and more recently Moura but they were still getting results on the backs of their own youth players, who Poch helped develop as well.
They were still extremely limited in midfield even at their best, relying on the likes of Dier, Dembele, Wanyama and more recently Sissoko. If they had made the outlay they did this last summer with Lo Celso and Ndombele a little earlier and bedded them in, their potential would have been fulfilled. At times the margins for error at the top are pretty small especially when City are investing the GDP of a third world country on the likes of Bernardo Silva to compliment an already great squad every year.
Likewise those who shit on Ole with X amount of wins in Y matches, then can't hold back their excitement for the idea of bringing in Poch, who has a worse record during the same period.
We all know deep down how this pans out.
His run of underwhelming results and performances continues. He leaves them at the end of the season.
Then joins us. Past his best.
Continuing our run of the wrong choice of manager.
His run of underwhelming results and performances continues. He leaves them at the end of the season.
Then joins us. Past his best.
Continuing our run of the wrong choice of manager.
Like Klopp was past his best when he left Dortmund I guess.
It would be very difficult for us to get much better than Poch. If one bad season means Poch is past his best, you're setting too high a bar.
You and me had this chat before. 3 years ago Poch wasn't what he is now. It is like asking fans 2 years ago do they want Maguire, AWB or Cancelo. I bet that 90% fans here were over the moon when we bought Alexis. Look at opinion now. You can't know how some coach or player will develop.
Look at Klopp. He was very good manager when he was in Dortmund but now he is even better.
And of course that biggest question about Poch is his ability of winning trophies. But now, imo it is only question mark about him. In every other area he is class.
And Guardiola leaving Barca
.Have Spurs actually been proficient in the transfer market though? I'd argue they've actually bought pretty badly in recent years.
There's a handful of decent buys in there but for every Heung-min Son there's a Vincent Janssen. If Pochettino hasn't had his choice of players and has still managed to do what he has at Spurs, that's still an achievement in itself. Could you imagine someone like Mourinho doing that?
Didn't know Jose fans means @Andycoleno9. I thought it was bigger group. Also I'm not even talking about 3 years ago, it was just 6 months before Jose was sacked.
Tottenham fans, lets resolve this topic. How Spurs are buying players? Levy is buying without Poch? Poch has final decision? Poch ( his scouts) pick players and Levy buys them?
You could substitute Utd,Ole,Woody in there
. It is a group but members went in hiding after he is sacked because inquisition started. 
. Some of us talk for them. Ha haI’ll never understand the doublethink between, first, praising Pochettino’s unquestioned success on a proverbial shoestring and, second, him having inherited a £150m striker whilst having a first XI full of top players worth £50m+ who every pundit in the land rates better than their equivalents at Old Trafford and the Emirates.
Is the difference between the perception in Poch’s reign really just the fact that Harry Kane was already at Spurs rather than having been bought?
Is the difference between the perception in Poch’s reign really just the fact that Harry Kane was already at Spurs rather than having been bought?
Past his best? Are you trying to be ironic or something? Are managers shelf life just doing a good job at one or two clubs now and they're finished?
He has helped, but the bulk of their development was done well before his arrival. Kane for example had already played 16 times under Sherwood.
The season finishes prior to Poch's appointment were 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th and 6th, with that last season coinciding with AVBs sacking, and the form under Tim Sherwood when he came in was good enough for top 4. So they were a 4th/5th team before his arrival and a 3rd/4th place team under Poch with a much improved squad. So really, their progression under Poch is about par with where they should be. Only you would probably say they should've added some silverware to their cabinet in that time.
Yeah if you choose to ignore the previous 3 years.
Crazy isn't it - he is one of the most promising young managers on the planet but he is now 'past his best' because of a period of poor form.
Kane was a £10 million striker when Poch started.
That's a unique take on it. The signings made on a apparent shoestring budget has been one of the major cheering points for his supporters.
Could I imagine Jose averaging a 3rd/4th place finish with that squad? Absolutely. The difference is he would have been criticised for not doing better. Puts his 2nd place finish with us into perspective really.
Their points total in 2016-17 would have been good enough to win the league in most seasons until Pep arrived at City and its 16 points higher than they ever managed in the premier league era, that's a notable improvement.
Being in the top 4 now is a completely different dogfight from doing it under Harry or Sherwood so just staying there while selling their best player from that era in Bale is a tough proposition for a club like Spurs. Making it to the champions league final is also no small thing for them especially with the performances against City in the knock out rounds and the high pressure point they secured at Nou camp. The Spurs before Pochettino couldn't even dream of being at that level.
So Poch gave him his talent? Without Poch he would still be a £10m talent?
No but he helped with his development and continually played him - it's mostly down to Kane of course but to suggest he was a £100 million striker when Poch came in just isn't correct.
He’s done an amazing job at Spurs. Truly amazing. But I’m personally not a huge fan of that Spurs team in terms of their style and mentality, and while that might be more the players/immaturity than manager instructions I just don’t think he would be the saviour here that people expect.
Also, after Mourinho, I’d be really wary of bringing in a burnt out manager who looks like he needs an extended holiday.
Also, after Mourinho, I’d be really wary of bringing in a burnt out manager who looks like he needs an extended holiday.
I don't actually know whether it's him or Levy signing the players, either way I don't think the signings have been a strong point for them. I do think Poch's stock has fallen a bit in the last 12 months but you can't deny the progress he's made with that Spurs team since his appointment.
I disagree re Mourinho. He's had one top 4 finish in his last four domestic seasons and was sacked in two of them. He'd have been too busy whinging about no signings last season to get a top 4 finish with that Spurs team last season, for starters.
What do people think of the signings he's made at Spurs?
2019
NDombele
Lo Celso
Sessegnon
2018
Moura
2017
Aurier
Llorente
Foyth
Sanchez
2016
Sissoko
N'Koudu
Janssen
Wanyama
2015
Son
N'Joe
Alderweireld
Wimmer
Trippier
Alli
2014
Stambouli
Fazio
Yedlin
Dier
Davies
Vorm
2019
NDombele
Lo Celso
Sessegnon
2018
Moura
2017
Aurier
Llorente
Foyth
Sanchez
2016
Sissoko
N'Koudu
Janssen
Wanyama
2015
Son
N'Joe
Alderweireld
Wimmer
Trippier
Alli
2014
Stambouli
Fazio
Yedlin
Dier
Davies
Vorm
He's done a great job at Spurs on a relative shoestring budget compared to other big teams. His transfers have been a bit iffy though, more miss than hit in my opinion. It's time to move on but just because he's struggling nowadays, it doesnt change the fact he's visibly a MUCH better manager than Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. His struggles at present don't make our manager any better than he is showing to be.
Come on. That's a massively flawed way of looking at it. You're taking the context of the league and opponent away. Those anomalies are everywhere.
The same could be said about Spurs' 2nd place finish. The only reason they achieved that was because the majority of their opposition were in a large period of transition. Take that away and the average finish is 4th, so although the opposition has improved considerably in that time, so has the players available to the Spurs manager. As I said, it's about par.
They did well. Huge dollop of luck involved in their run to the final but they got there so credit where credit is due.
You also can't deny the squad wasn't as strong as the one Poch has. If he has that squad, he certainly isn't doing any worse than Poch, he'd have probably picked up some silverware along the way too.
AVB made some really good ones in Eriksen Lloris Vertonghen. He also brought Kevin De Bruyne Courtois Cahill to Chelsea.
I like some of Poch's signings as well but this thing with Kane, he might've been lucky to get him but if Poch is at a top club they can buy such a player for him as well as other good upcoming players he can work with like he did with Eriksen and co. A big club has the ability to replace them when things get stale so I think Poch can be a success if he moves to a bigger one.
I like some of Poch's signings as well but this thing with Kane, he might've been lucky to get him but if Poch is at a top club they can buy such a player for him as well as other good upcoming players he can work with like he did with Eriksen and co. A big club has the ability to replace them when things get stale so I think Poch can be a success if he moves to a bigger one.
Anyone honestly think he even has > 1% input into who Spurs buy?
The bolded are definaltey good purchases, and have done well for spurs.
Just a subtle difference is i actually said we'll get him past his best. As opposed to their obligatory early cup exit meaning he's past his best
Yup especially this transfer window, you really think he would be the second longest currently working manager if he had no input? He would have been long gone.
Everyone since Fergie hasn't been able to handle Man United. Maybe its become too big a job for one man. What do we think about teaming Poch with Ole as a two man team ??
Not quite sure how that would work? Poch would want all his people in, Ole his, cant see that working.
Why the feck would we do that?
Wait, you think he just show up for work and there's a new player there he didn't know they were signing?
I don't think he goes to Levy and says I want these players in this window. He more or less works with what he is given.