That would hold true if he hadn't moaned about not having a ball playing CB when he was here after buying 2 CBs. So if he knew Lindelof was weak aerially and if he's not good enough when it comes to ball playing, what did Mourinho envisage him doing?
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Got to say Paddy Power sure do make some funny adverts. Fair play to Mourinho to have a laugh at himself too.
On the plus side, we are better than Leicester now. I think.
Probably because Bailly was injured all the time.
It doesn't really matter, the point was that he wasn't simply slating Lindelof - he was talking about his game in general.
I'm really not interested in the Mourinho = bad guy, type soap opera stuff tbh.
He came here, played dull footy, won 2 trophies, finished 2nd, wasn't backed and threw the season. End of.
Our focus should be on Woodward and OGS and why they are are both failing.
You have to be thick to think a manager who manage the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Samuel ,Lucio , Ramos , Varane would be satisfied with Bailly and lindelof. It's obvious none of them was Mourinho first choice , they are more like Woodward's , affordable and have resale value since they are still young. Mourinho first choice would be older and more experienced CB.
Nah. Great PR there for him.
You shouldn't be buying a player who needs to have his weaknesses masked by his partner!
They really are the scummiest of a scummy bunch of scum. Thought he was classier than that.
I think the only teams he'll manage are those interplanetary fantasy teams. The mans become a joke
That was a season where Leicester won the league with less points than most runners up get. Not quite the same proposition as we faced when Mourinho was in charge.
Bailly was fine until he became a perma-crock. Hard to blame José for that.
As interim manager he was actually doing a better job. We should just change Ole back to interim manager.
'You have to be thick' always a great friendly way to start a debate...
There's no way Mou didn't give sign off on those players. I'm genuinely shocked that you think Woodward has chosen those players (also when has he ever shown an interest in resale value, we're the worst club in the league at this) - whilst we shouldn't underestimate how detrimental he is in the grand scheme of things we definitely shouldn't exaggerate his role to being one where he signs players for managers without their consent. Mou even explained how he worked when he was here many times, he gave a list of a few names in order of priority to Woodward and Woodward then tried to bring them in, maybe Woodward couldn't attract the number one targets but Lindelof and Bailly are Mou signings.
Over 350 million in 2 years not including Zlaton and Sanchez suggests he was backed too much
Christ we can’t shake off this second place finish as a success can we, the same season Liverpool went to the champions league final so concentrated on that, the same season arsenal went to the europa semi final so focused on that, the same season we had a piss easy group in the champions league group and went out in February against fecking Sevilla
After spending around £350 million fecking pounds and zlatan on a freebie
As long as some fans think this was good we are fecking fecked.
I don’t think it’s so much as people thinking it’s good but more that it’s better than before or since. Which it undeniably was. I doubt anyone thinks it’s good enough.
Some people do, it was circumstances that led us to that second place finish not us being great. Much like they herald the move from 6th the previous season to 2nd that season. We gave up on the league that year because of the europa clearly, I think we had fantastic start from memory but once it became clear europa was our best chance of champions league qualification the towel got thrown in. Just surprised so many people who follow united on a forum hence spend a bit more time than they should
can’t see it for what it was.He wasn't backed after finished 2nd though was he - and that's what I was referencing, as you know.
I was just stating his achievements objectively - I also stated, 'dull footy' which is obviously my subjective view.
On another note, do you think if Ole spent 350m - 190m more than he's already spent, and then won the League Cup, Europa and finished 2nd you'd also state that it wasn't good enough?
Genuine question so do try and be honest.
Pretty sure under Solskjær we have already recouped most of what has been spent, don’t recall much being recouped under the special one (di maria maybe?).
Under Ole I don’t think so but my arguments were against this overly hyped second placed finish that was about as meaningful as the the 1988 2nd place finish that resulted in Fergie ripping that squad up as he knew it was going nowhere.
I don't think it's over-hyped mate, it's just an objective truth that it was our highest PL finish since Fergie.
And you have to understand that the longer it goes on until we finish that high again, it will be referenced, and not necessarily because people love Mourinho - but just because it's a clear marker of our most successful PL campaign since Fergie.
Hopefully we equal / beat it soon!
It’s all opinions mate, it’s what makes it interesting but without the clubs being involved to the death in Europe I estimate the true placings of the first 2 seasons under Jose as 4th and 4th (when clubs without depth go deep in Europe, do you remember the Liverpool one under the fat Spanish waiter, where did they finish? 6th I think without searching)
Haha, you don't need to estimate the 'true placings' though man, we know the true placings by looking at the PL table.
Don't let your hate for Mourinho lead you into daftness (as he is / was a master of making people do!).
A dinosaur of a manager who wasted over 350 million and still took us backwards . We are still feeling the effects of his time .
As bad as Moyes god knows when we will recover from him
As bad as Moyes god knows when we will recover from him
There will always be gullible people also, does the fact we were out of Europe early in February whilst liverpool, arsenal and Chelsea went into April and beyond in Europe and took their foot of the gas in the league not even register with you and Jose fans?
Why did we finish 6th the season before? I can think of one good reason .
Many things affect PL finishes though mate, and it doesn't make the finish any less official, or 'true'.
Would City have won the PL last season if Liverpool weren't also stretched by reaching the CL final...?
And would Spurs have really won the CL if they'd finished lower in the PL?
It's really not about venerating Mourinho, it's just a reality that he achieved our highest PL finish since Fergie.
It seems really odd to try, as a Utd fan, to discount that because of 'what if's and 'maybes'.
What like I don’t think Blackburn would have won the league by one point if Cantona had not have been banned from January or City wouldn’t have the title in 2012 if QPR hadn’t have known they were safe 5 minutes out?
It's one thing to state that, that's fine.
But to suggest that the 'true league finish' was something other than...you know... the actual, true league finish is a step too far.
I think I'd get loads more women if I was a millionaire, so... the true number of women attracted to me is way higher than it appears
I want some of your LSD.....
I like your way of thinking and I’m gonna pretend I’m a millionaire tomorrow night as I’m hitting town so will let you know how that works out for meIt's one thing to state that, that's fine.
But to suggest that the 'true league finish' was something other than...you know... the actual, true league finish is a step too far.
I think I'd get loads more women if I was a millionaire, so... the true number of women attracted to me is way higher than it appears
Do you really think we would have finished 6th in Jose’s first season if we weren’t gunning for the europa?
Honest answer as you asked for earlier then preceded to mock my answer
I can't remember enough specific games to answer definitively, but the point of my previous posts wasn't to mock you at all - genuinely, it was that whatever situation you look at, you can say, 'this would be different if that was different'.I like your way of thinking and I’m gonna pretend I’m a millionaire tomorrow night as I’m hitting town so will let you know how that works out for me
Do you really think we would have finished 6th in Jose’s first season if we weren’t gunning for the europa?
Honest answer as you asked for earlier then preceded to mock my answer
It's a pointless thing to do.
Look at it this way - City won the PL because Liverpool were stretched by the CL, and Liverpool only won the CL because Klopp has spent more money than Pochettino...
So really Liverpool won the PL and Spurs won the CL...
But then... Liverpool only won the PL because Arsenal and Utd are in transition...!
So really, Utd and Arsenal finished higher than they really did...
It's insane mate, where does it end!?
The PL finishes are final and set in stone, whether fortune was involved or not doesn't matter to the truth of the league table.
Fair enough but we were better than sixth that season and I shall leave it at that
Ps we took 15 points from the final 9 games that season that coincided with the europa semis and final
Perhaps Jose didn't personally scout Lindelof? Maybe he wanted a CB and out the options the club had scouted they settled on him (based on price, availability, attributes, qualities etc). It's unclear to me what role precisely the manager, recruitment staff, Woodward, the negotiator play in the buying of a player. Mourinho strikes me as the kind of guy to say I need a defender, rather than identify the specific defender he needs.
Not to start another argument in this thread but I think Jose was the most specific manager we have had since fergie left on who he wanted, that guy throws his toys out if you don’t get who he asks for.
Maybe you're right, I just don't know. Suffice to say that his eye for talent is not his strength.