But did we get what we thought we were getting from Jose? My answer is No. Jose was signed to win PL and challenge in CL, both he didn't achieve. We won couple if trophies though, so not a total failure.
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Before this season Smalling was the best CB we had since Vidic left, thats not saying much.
He didn't make few mistakes, he made many. That's why we had poor season and he lost the dressing room. Even in transfers he made lot of mistakes.
He had positives too though, can't deny that. Winning Europa league, promoting McT, phasing out Rooney so well.
I agree with all of that but that also has to do with a toxic board no DOF etc. he obviously deserves blame for a lot but he is the most successful manager since Fergie left and with players who play how he wants to play he would minimum insure CL football.
You don’t gotta like him but to try to paint him as a poor coach is just naive.
We were already so far from CL position when he was sacked. He isn't poor coach but maybe not the right fit for the club or maybe past it. Football moves on and those who don't change are left behind.
I think it can be both he wasn’t the right fit for the club and neither was the club for him. I don’t think Jose failed at United alone this was 50 José and 50 the board.
Even then a poor stint for Jose includes 3 cups won a Cup Final and a 2nd place finish which right now looks unthinkable for United.
2nd place is unthinkable as Liverpool and City are so much better than us. During which period did they reach those levels? Yeah when we had Jose as manager. When we were playing shit football and with no progress, City and Liverpool improved everything and built something that's sustainable. It's not as if Liverpool had better starting point or spent shit loads more than us.
When Jose took over we were better than Liverpool and close to other top teams (you can check league tables for last 2 season before he took over), when he left we are miles behind Liverpool and City.
3 cups? No one consider charityshield as some trophy, official rules are not even followed in that game. Teams make 6 subs and red cards don't even carry for next game. It's a friendly game for teams who did well in the previous season.
That statement I don’t agree with “United were better off then Liverpool” Liverpool have been building something sustainable since before Jose got there but it takes time for things to click meanwhile United was in freefall since the Moyes era. That’s how Liverpool are where they are now and United are not it starts from the board first and then the coach.
No, that's the narrative built once Klopp started to achieve lot of things. Before Klopp took over, Liverpool team was poor and Klopp changed whole team and squad except very few players. They didn't build anything, they just signed randomly, that's why they ended up signing Lambert, Benteke, Moreno, Balotellu and few more poor players. Once Klopp took over, everything changed. Even players who were average before started to play at much higher level and narrative was changed to "liverpool had very good model'
Not so long ago, Klopp was a fraud too. Wasn't the thread called Jürgen Flopp watch for quite some time?
Yeah it was regular Klopp thread which was renamed.
Do you not know that we finished second one season with him with 81 points. Has no one ever mentioned that on here ffs.
Best achievement in PL era and in Jose's career.
It was amazing and he had Lingard killing it.
Susprised he didn't give himself a trophy for it.
The 2nd place finish was alright but it was clear as day that all the underlying indicators were off - our football became progressively worse, our players weren't developing, his signings were failing, the atmosphere at the club was becoming more negative - and Liverpool looked, to everyone who paid attention, the team headed in the right direction, depsite the points total, with us headed towards mediocrity. I don't think much would have changed the following season with or without his dream signings Maguire and Perisic.
It's a bit off, but Mou has to be one of the best trolls in football. Take a look at 14 sec. 
It's a bit off, but Mou has to be one of the best trolls in football. Take a look at 14 sec.
This all seems like hindsight, he seemed very chuffed with Bailly and Lindelof was one he rated because I think he's overrates the Portuguese league a bit too much. Sure, he'd have liked someone like Ramos or Godin as a first choice but still a Mourinho signing and it's on him.
There isn't really a 2nd place trophy for finishing more than 20 points behind the leaders. We played shit football to get there too. It's not an excuse for Mourinho to implode and self-sabotage his 3rd season. He left us in as a bad a state as Moyes. There is really no excuse for that when you've spent 400 million.
Do you have any proof that Lindelof was 5th choice? Jose's mouthpiece Duncan Castles reported Lindelof was first choice option for Jose and he said this 6 months before Lindelof was signed.
That's excellent. Cant help but like the guyIt's a bit off, but Mou has to be one of the best trolls in football. Take a look at 14 sec.
Video is full of eastereggs, mate. Take a look at the books at 1.01min. For example 'the voyeur' and 'le specialiste en failure'.
Hmmm, it was a piss take directed at @haram and the rest of the Jose acolytes.
My favourite excuse is the but...but...but 81points would have won us the league in '99
Mou's time at United is similar to when I used to give my brother a £10 to go to the shops to get some sweets; I'd get a Freddo the frog, a liquorice dip and, most annoyingly, no change.
Yeah, but the point @roonster09 was making was that when José took over, we were much closer to the likes of City and Liverpool than by the time he had left, which is true. José sent us back years and now we're playing catch-up.
I seem to recall José pretty much giving up on him regardless of injuries. When you look at his first transfer window bar Zlatan, he eventually gave up on everyone. Pogba, Mkhi & Bailly. His next transfer windows were just as bad.
Because they got better. Not because Mourinho made us worse. He also made Utd better, just not at the rate they improved. Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea were all closer to them too.
Thats because when he returned to fitness he was rash and error prone. He's basically another Rojo, who himself had a few decent spells where he looked assertive and dominant, but it was just a purple patch.
We are still trying to get rid of some of his signings so i think its fair to say he ultimately set us back despite finishing 2nd.
I think we’d a better squad than the one he inherited. It’s just a matter of opinion though. We were shit then and we’re shit now.
Problem with Jose was that the club didnt let him be the boss. He fell out with certain players and the board would rather take the players side.
Eg: Mou wanted the Pogba out, Woodward didnt.
In a couple of weeks it will be Ole.
If Klopp fell out with Salah, Salah would be sold.
Our club is a mess.
Eg: Mou wanted the Pogba out, Woodward didnt.
In a couple of weeks it will be Ole.
If Klopp fell out with Salah, Salah would be sold.
Our club is a mess.
Am I reading this wrong or am I genuinely seeing a post in September 2019 claiming we should have sold Pogba and kept Jose?
This place is a mess.
The manager at the time wanted to do so, and the club refused.
The manager should decide these matters, not Woodward and the board.
SAF would quit if he didnt decide these things. So would Pep and Klopp. They are in control of the footballing matters, not the boardroom.
Pogba should've been sold since our manager at the time wanted to do so. No player should have more power than the manager.
Problem with Jose was Jose
Not trying to defend JM, because you can check my post history to realize I was never his fan, but SAF had enough power to demand the board to sell key players like Stam, RVN and others because he thought they were bringing more harm than good on the long run.
He earned that right though, Jose wasn't trusted enough to have sort of power, and it was the right decision.
In the end, that's the point. We lack leadership so much from the board, and if we don't solve that, there will always be a battle for power.
And this is very true. Look at my national league : Benfica and Porto have strong leadership so they are always in the pole position. Sporting elected an inexperienced president, that appointed people with lack of knowledge for director spots, and look where they are.
So we trusted EW instead. Brilliant.... and we’re still stuck with Pogba not giving a shiny shite.
Jose was right about pogba and martial it turns out
They're not giving their best and took a piss, especially pogba.
He could be our robson but he doesnt seems to give a feck
They're not giving their best and took a piss, especially pogba.
He could be our robson but he doesnt seems to give a feck
Far more complex than that
What how? Martial is injured & maybe will surprise return on Monday, Pogba has just come back he’s also been watching the under 18s and helping there, this forum used to be class but it’s poison now, the negativity is horrendous
That sort of cheeky & mischievous side of mourinho was missing when he came to United. Maybe it was the death of his father. He would have you hanging on the end of every word when younger. If only he had come straight after Sir AlexIt's a bit off, but Mou has to be one of the best trolls in football. Take a look at 14 sec.