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Jose is really smart with how he has changed the narrative into "I was a good coach, just never backed with players".

He was a constant failure. Failed with every transfer. Failed with every player. I mean do you blame woodward for not going for Maguire when Jose asked him?

He had his chance. Got in likes of Bailey when more was needed.
Yet he did bring us trophies and CL football.

Wonder when it will happen again
 

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Jose is really smart with how he has changed the narrative into "I was a good coach, just never backed with players".

He was a constant failure. Failed with every transfer. Failed with every player. I mean do you blame woodward for not going for Maguire when Jose asked him?

He had his chance. Got in likes of Bailey when more was needed.
Constant failure? Seriously?

The hate for this guy is unreal.
 

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Constant failure? Seriously?

The hate for this guy is unreal.

Yep. Childish.

They have their emotional stance and argue to justify it. The shambles Jose walked into, yet delivered trophies and a 2nd place we won’t see again for quite a long time. If he’d been properly supported we’d now be a force. The players downed tools because they were sensitive little snowflakes (cue: indignation) then Jose did likewise (because of players but moreso owners) and was happy to walk with a payoff. Don’t blame him. Shit players, disastrous owners and senior management. Club is fecked until these cnuting owners go and take that pudding faced melt with them.
 

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Yep. Childish.

They have their emotional stance and argue to justify it. The shambles Jose walked into, yet delivered trophies and a 2nd place we won’t see again for quite a long time. If he’d been properly supported we’d now be a force. The players downed tools because they were sensitive little snowflakes (cue: indignation) then Jose did likewise (because of players but moreso owners) and was happy to walk with a payoff. Don’t blame him. Shit players, disastrous owners and senior management. Club is fecked until these cnuting owners go and take that pudding faced melt with them.
Dont blame Jose? Are you his agent? He was perfect at United? You don't think he did anything wrong? All the players and board?
 

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As miserable as everything about his personality and football playing style was, he obviously had huge achievements at United given the quality of the squad (which he contributed to with crap signings). I do genuinely believe him when he says that finishing second was one of his greatest achievements in management.

He also had massively failures, like how bad we were in his final season. There's no mutual exclusivity there.
 

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I think that was the cocktail behind the scenes that translated onto the pitch. When we finished second 19 points behind city we sent £10million more than them in the transfer window. That’s not going to close the gap. Liverpool spent 177m. It was a strange decision by the board to hand him a contract then not back him. The Pogba saga undermined his authority too, but he wasn’t innocent either...

I think Jose can only work in an environment with full autonomy - hence him taking the likes of Porto and Inter to glory. He wasn’t a perfect fit for united but we aren’t any better off with him gone. I think our current board and modern fans would have sacked Sir Alex in 1990. Mourinho isn’t the manager he once was, you can see his cheeky personality is gone, but we had the best results with him. It’s a shame he never came after the great man retired.

In the end I think it’s all moot, I don’t think any manager can thrive under our current board and club structure
You're clutching at straws, imo. In terms of full autonomy, Mourinho had it, just like Moyes and Van Gaal, up until the point where they didn't and got sacked. Full autonomy is one of several reasons we've managed to spend £850mill since Fergie retired on transfer fees, and we still have a squad with more holes than swiss cheese. He was allowed to get rid of the players he didn't want and we spent the odd £370mill in transfer fees + the two free transfers of Sanchez and Zlatan in an attempt to allow him to build the squad he wanted. In the same period, Tottenham spent less than half of that bringing players in, while selling players for close to £130mill (we sold for £77mill). Liverpool actually spent around £10mill more than us during the same period, but they sold players for a lot more (£291mill, just one of them being a key player, Coutinho)

I agree that the board shouldn't have handed him a contract extension (with increased wages) that early, but it's hardly that black and white either. Mourinho and his agent were making noises about other potential "projects" while we were doing fairly well, what would the reactions have been if Woodward went head to head not wanting to extend at the time, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Things turned sour quickly, unfortunately.

Peoples interpretation of not being backed is surprisingly strict. When it comes to transfers, we did our best to sign the players he wanted and got the majority of them. Unfortunately, most of the focus was on the players we didn't sign. Again, we spent £370mill + two extremely expensive free transfers (sign on fee + wages) over the course of 3 summers. None of the other managers got all the players they wanted and, perhaps more importantly, 12 months later they weren't still complaining about it. Mourinho slowly started losing the support of the higher ups towards the end of his second season at the club. Martial and Rashford had a great start to the season, then Mourinho got his will and we shipped out Mkhi in return for Sanchez, who we then proceeded to stick out left where we already were alternating between Rashford and Martial. We had essentially gone from two young players doing well, having a functional left side, to an extremely expensive Sanchez not playing well at all and for some reason constantly playing, his comments surrounding the Sevilla match and our exit from the Champions League, rewind back to his first season and his comments about the failures of Klopp, Poch, how finishing top 4 without winning anything is meaningless, fast forward to "one of his biggest achievements in his career", finishing 2nd in the league without actually competing for the title. His stint as a pundit during the world cup with the focus on the clubs failure to sign Perisic, Mourinho's utter absurd decision to have a go at Pogba instead of simply praising him for an outstanding world cup and looking forward to the next season. His complaints about not being backed that summer carries more weight but it's not that simple either:

- Bailly and Lindelof were hardly cheap signings at the time, suddenly he didn't fancy either of them and the solution was to go after Maguire, who had a good world cup for England, for a world record fee, take into account that we'd tracked Maguire years back and he was available for half of what we forked out for Lindelof during the same transfer window, it's hardly a surprise that people weren't too impressed. Not to mention that his solution to our right wing was that we should get rid of Martial, preferably to Chelsea in order to get Willian (who was only interested in a transfer if Conte continued as Chelsea manager). Factor in Matic's performances, how Willian was generally playing, the importancy of bringing in Sanchez, the decision to sell Depay (Club originally wanted a loan deal, as they had hopes he'd improve) who was now playing well in France, Blind doing very well for Ajax. Mourinho's decisions were looking dodgy as feck, at the same time as he was picking fights with the dressing room and generally giving his full backing to players that weren't performing whatsoever. Mourinho undermined himself.
 
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Yep. Childish.

They have their emotional stance and argue to justify it. The shambles Jose walked into, yet delivered trophies and a 2nd place we won’t see again for quite a long time. If he’d been properly supported we’d now be a force. The players downed tools because they were sensitive little snowflakes (cue: indignation) then Jose did likewise (because of players but moreso owners) and was happy to walk with a payoff. Don’t blame him. Shit players, disastrous owners and senior management. Club is fecked until these cnuting owners go and take that pudding faced melt with them.
:lol: pathetic really
 

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The Messiah still being cherished. Jesus christ some of you have literally been brainwashed :houllier:
 

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Acting tough with clearing out deadwoods

Out of bodies in september

Blame Mourinho

Progress

3 years we'll win the league

In ole we trust
Eh? He "cleared deadwood" to replace them with even worse players.

1) Terrible judgment of players
2) Terrible tactics that saw no progress in team unity
3) Terrible man management -- half the side had a problem with him
4) feck up millions in the transfer market and blame the board for not backing him up
5) Embarrass the club by talking about second place finish as successful.
 

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Always the same posters still raging with anger as the type the words for our ex-Manager who should be history :lol: He really fecked some of you in the head.

Yep. Childish.

They have their emotional stance and argue to justify it. The shambles Jose walked into, yet delivered trophies and a 2nd place we won’t see again for quite a long time. If he’d been properly supported we’d now be a force. The players downed tools because they were sensitive little snowflakes (cue: indignation) then Jose did likewise (because of players but moreso owners) and was happy to walk with a payoff. Don’t blame him. Shit players, disastrous owners and senior management. Club is fecked until these cnuting owners go and take that pudding faced melt with them.
Mourinho was rightfully gone because he pitted his own downfall, let's not re-write history. Yes, the board wasn't giving him money to buy a new CB but that doesn't mean you burn bridges with the entire squad that helped you to those 'achievements' such as 2nd place finish he keeps talking about. There are ways to mount pressure on the board without destroying the dressing room, but Mourinho cannot control his emotions when he doesn't get what he wants. It can be traced throughout his managerial career.
 

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Ehm, joking? League cup and Europa League.
That's the point. Certain posters l(like the one I replied to) always mention 2 trophies with mentioning what trophies were won and 2nd without mentioning how far they were from the leaders. It's intellectually dishonest nonsense that nobody is falling for.

He won the League Cup and Europe League. If it were Liverpool, everyone would laugh at them for thinking it mattered.

Not only that but United were closer to 5th than 2nd. Let that sink in terms of his "achievement".
 

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That's the point. Certain posters l(like the one I replied to) always mention 2 trophies with mentioning what trophies were won and 2nd without mentioning how far they were from the leaders. It's intellectually dishonest nonsense that nobody is falling for.

He won the League Cup and Europe League. If it were Liverpool, everyone would laugh at them for thinking it mattered.

Not only that but United were closer to 5th than 2nd. Let that sink in terms of his "achievement".
And it's not like he won them playing scintillating football.

Remember Celta Vigo came very close to knocking him out at Old Trafford and he also needed extra time to beat Anderlecht, all that were while giving up on the league and finishing 6th in the table.
 

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And it's not like he won them playing scintillating football.

Remember Celta Vigo came very close to knocking him out at Old Trafford and he also needed extra time to beat Anderlecht, all that were while giving up on the league and finishing 6th in the table.
This. The only achievement in winning the EL is that it's basicly a top 4 trophy. You get champions league football. That's it basicly. And no one but the really small clubs really care about the league cup. If Mourinho had truly been succes he'd never been fired. It's that simple. You can say 3rd season meltdown, classic Mourinho, but self-sabotaging your team while you are the highest paid manager in football, does not make a good manager. It makes you a shit manager. If he didn't want to be anymore he could have resigned. I appreciate that getting 2nd and getting to a Fa cup final was our best season post fergie in terms of domestic resulsts, but our football was shit and cowardly and everyone could see we were going nowhere.
 

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NO. That's such an exculpatory statement we need to stop. Ed Woodward took a brilliant yet volatile manager and did all of the exact things that set him off in order. Did he expect a different result than what we saw at Chelsea or Madrid? It's madness to think the outcome would be different. Indeed Ed is a mad clown wrecking us. If we let the manager do his thing, sacked Ed instead, we would be challenging for all trophies.
Well said.
 

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I think that was the cocktail behind the scenes that translated onto the pitch. When we finished second 19 points behind city we sent £10million more than them in the transfer window. That’s not going to close the gap. Liverpool spent 177m. It was a strange decision by the board to hand him a contract then not back him. The Pogba saga undermined his authority too, but he wasn’t innocent either...

I think Jose can only work in an environment with full autonomy - hence him taking the likes of Porto and Inter to glory. He wasn’t a perfect fit for united but we aren’t any better off with him gone. I think our current board and modern fans would have sacked Sir Alex in 1990. Mourinho isn’t the manager he once was, you can see his cheeky personality is gone, but we had the best results with him. It’s a shame he never came after the great man retired.

In the end I think it’s all moot, I don’t think any manager can thrive under our current board and club structure
First point bolded is a good one. Also the last years of SAF under the Glazers, while successful, was papering over the cracks. Second point has been said a lot here, but we need to keep saying it. And then say it again.
 

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I think he was the one Perez wanted but he knew it wouldn't be received well by many supporters so he went for the safer option.
Ballbag said Perez basically warned Woody not to hire him initially, saying the trouble he brings to the club as a whole is not worth it no matter the results. I think the Madrid and psg angles were pushed by his agent and the Jose acolytes in the media. Neither club wanted him.
 

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You're clutching at straws, imo. In terms of full autonomy, Mourinho had it, just like Moyes and Van Gaal, up until the point where they didn't and got sacked. Full autonomy is one of several reasons we've managed to spend £850mill since Fergie retired on transfer fees, and we still have a squad with more holes than swiss cheese. He was allowed to get rid of the players he didn't want and we spent the odd £370mill in transfer fees + the two free transfers of Sanchez and Zlatan in an attempt to allow him to build the squad he wanted. In the same period, Tottenham spent less than half of that bringing players in, while selling players for close to £130mill (we sold for £77mill). Liverpool actually spent around £10mill more than us during the same period, but they sold players for a lot more (£291mill, just one of them being a key player, Coutinho)

I agree that the board shouldn't have handed him a contract extension (with increased wages) that early, but it's hardly that black and white either. Mourinho and his agent were making noises about other potential "projects" while we were doing fairly well, what would the reactions have been if Woodward went head to head not wanting to extend at the time, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Things turned sour quickly, unfortunately.

Peoples interpretation of not being backed is surprisingly strict. When it comes to transfers, we did our best to sign the players he wanted and got the majority of them. Unfortunately, most of the focus was on the players we didn't sign. Again, we spent £370mill + two extremely expensive free transfers (sign on fee + wages) over the course of 3 summers. None of the other managers got all the players they wanted and, perhaps more importantly, 12 months later they weren't still complaining about it. Mourinho slowly started losing the support of the higher ups towards the end of his second season at the club. Martial and Rashford had a great start to the season, then Mourinho got his will and we shipped out Mkhi in return for Sanchez, who we then proceeded to stick out left where we already were alternating between Rashford and Martial. We had essentially gone from two young players doing well, having a functional left side, to an extremely expensive Sanchez not playing well at all and for some reason constantly playing, his comments surrounding the Sevilla match and our exit from the Champions League, rewind back to his first season and his comments about the failures of Klopp, Poch, how finishing top 4 without winning anything is meaningless, fast forward to "one of his biggest achievements in his career", finishing 2nd in the league without actually competing for the title. His stint as a pundit during the world cup with the focus on the clubs failure to sign Perisic, Mourinho's utter absurd decision to have a go at Pogba instead of simply praising him for an outstanding world cup and looking forward to the next season. His complaints about not being backed that summer carries more weight but it's not that simple either:

- Bailly and Lindelof were hardly cheap signings at the time, suddenly he didn't fancy either of them and the solution was to go after Maguire, who had a good world cup for England, for a world record fee, take into account that we'd tracked Maguire years back and he was available for half of what we forked out for Lindelof during the same transfer window, it's hardly a surprise that people weren't too impressed. Not to mention that his solution to our right wing was that we should get rid of Martial, preferably to Chelsea in order to get Willian (who was only interested in a transfer if Conte continued as Chelsea manager). Factor in Matic's performances, how Willian was generally playing, the importancy of bringing in Sanchez, the decision to sell Depay (Club originally wanted a loan deal, as they had hopes he'd improve) who was now playing well in France, Blind doing very well for Ajax. Mourinho's decisions were looking dodgy as feck, at the same time as he was picking fights with the dressing room and generally giving his full backing to players that weren't performing whatsoever. Mourinho undermined himself.
This just needs to stickied to every Mourinho thread.
 

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He thinks he did quite a good job at Utd due to winning 3 trophies in his 1st season. The myth is busted though when you look in more detail. The charity Shield is not a major trophy. We were out played by Southampton in the LC final & didn't really deserve to win. We should have been knocked out of the EL at OT by Celta Vigo.

I also don't believe that the 2nd place finish in his 2nd season was anything special. The league was incredibly poor this season which is why it was won by City with so many games to spare. The question should have been why were we 19pts off City at the end. A 9pt gap would have been justifiable but 19pts means the board were right to lose faith.
 

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He thinks he did quite a good job at Utd due to winning 3 trophies in his 1st season. The myth is busted though when you look in more detail. The charity Shield is not a major trophy. We were out played by Southampton in the LC final & didn't really deserve to win. We should have been knocked out of the EL at OT by Celta Vigo.

I also don't believe that the 2nd place finish in his 2nd season was anything special. The league was incredibly poor this season which is why it was won by City with so many games to spare. The question should have been why were we 19pts off City at the end. A 9pt gap would have been justifiable but 19pts means the board were right to lose faith.
You think pep wouldve done any better? What manager wouldve done better based on the squad we had
 

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Actually, you're right. You don't have to be simple to fall for Mou's excuses. You have to be downright delusional.

I have never seen a manager as shameless as Mourinho. He should be ashamed of showing his face on T.V after how wrong he was with every transfer at his time here. An outdated dinosaur of a tactician.
Agreed.
 

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You think pep wouldve done any better? What manager wouldve done better based on the squad we had
Klopp, Pep without doubt. Squad wouldn't have been so bad either with them in charge.
 

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Just quickly remembering the 17-18 season; in Aug-Sept-Oct it seemed like Utd was going to win the PL. Then City skyrocketed and Pep had its revenge for 11-12.

17-18 has been, so far, the single professional season of the post-SAF era, in terms of "results on the pitch" matching the budget-history of this club. Other than the accident vs Seville, that foreshadowed 18-19, 17-18 was just as good as 94-95, 97-98 or 10-11. Perhaps better.