United’s next manager

[gza the genius]

We need to stick with Ole - chopping and changing isn't doing us any good and I think at this point it should be relatively clear that no manager is going to do much with this squad the way that it is. Ole is having a tough time getting the players to do what he wants on the pitch but he does at least seem to have a good vision of how he wants the team to play and who here doesn't fit in that image.


The only thing that would change my opinion on this is if we can get Pochettino and tie him down to a long term contract.

 

[Massive Spanner]

We need to stick with Ole - chopping and changing isn't doing us any good and I think at this point it should be relatively clear that no manager is going to do much with this squad the way that it is. Ole is having a tough time getting the players to do what he wants on the pitch but he does at least seem to have a good vision of how he wants the team to play and who here doesn't fit in that image.


The only thing that would change my opinion on this is if we can get Pochettino and tie him down to a long term contract.

You think a better manager than Ole couldn't beat teams like West Ham and fecking Rochdale (not on pens)? Our squad isn't great but you'd swear it's a bloody relegation quality group of players going by some on here. It should still be good enough for top 4-6.

I'm not sure there's any point dismissing Ole mid-season but he's a dreadful manager at Premier League level, he really is. It wouldn't take much to upgrade on him next summer.

 

[AllezLesDiables]

Liverpool could afford the risk. They hadn’t won anything in decades. We’re the largest club in the world. We should be attracting the best in the business, not gambling on the next one to work out.

Moyes, LVG, and especially Jose cost us a lot of money when they left, so the board was reluctant to invest in another top manager. Ole was a much smaller risk. Our manager strategy fits with Ed’s sound byte of playing “young, attacking football”. They’re both just money saving ploys.

The problem is that United cannot attract the best managerial candidates as none of them will come because the board is a joke.

18 of the 20 PL teams have DoFs. The only two that don’t are United and Newcastle.

Ole was a stool pigeon hire. Why else would a club of United’s stature hire a former player who has shown as little to aptitude as a manager.

Ole was brought in to placate the “knows United” crowd, and he wasn’t going throw his toys out of the pram if things weren’t going well.

Some here understand the gravity of what is happening, while others cling to
deluded notions that United will be great simply because it’s United and United is the biggest club in the world.

The stark reality is that this club is heading down a dark path that’s worse than Liverpool in the 80s.

 

[gza the genius]

You think a better manager than Ole couldn't beat teams like West Ham and fecking Rochdale (not on pens)? Our squad isn't great but you'd swear it's a bloody relegation quality group of players going by some on here. It should still be good enough for top 4-6.

I'm not sure there's any point dismissing Ole mid-season but he's a dreadful manager at Premier League level, he really is. It wouldn't take much to upgrade on him next summer.

I guess I just think that, at the least, his targets and who he wants to ship out align more with where I want to see United than any previous manager post SAF. I guess my opinion would likely change if we end up finishing mid-table in a heap of negativity.

 

[Im red2]

I guess I just think that, at the least, his targets and who he wants to ship out align more with where I want to see United than any previous manager post SAF. I guess my opinion would likely change if we end up finishing mid-table in a heap of negativity.

Ole as DoF, someone with a good record as manager.

 

[Borussin]

You need to do a little homework my friend. He took over Mainz and Dortmund after Klopp and had a higher success rate than Klopp with both clubs in the Bundesliga. There's is no better tactician than him in modern day football. He started his coaching career at an early age after his playing career was cut short with a serious knee injury. The man oozes passion and experience, he has an attidude about him which is necessary, and something Ole doesn't have or never will have. There is no better fit for Utd than him!

what are you defining as success? Win % isn't a fair measure as you have to look at the situation the club was in when the coach took over. So no way on earth can you make it so that Tuchel was more successful at Dortmund than Klopp, I mean, that's rubbish isn't it.

Klopp took over a team at Dortmund in financial ruin, a mid-table team who where going nowhere, he helped build it up on a tiny budget into what they became. Tuchel took over a talented team who'd qualified for Europe 6 years on the trot, who had money to spend and he still managed to mess things up and get sacked.

HE is a fine coach though, but comparing him and Klopp, beyond the two teams they coached, isn't really going to prove much, considering the difference in the clubs they took over. Mainz as well - Klopp took over a team who fought against relegation from league 2 every year, playing in a ramshackle old ground, without 2 pennies to rub togetther, and took then to the Bundesliga, Tuchel took over a financially stable Mainz team already in the Bundesliga with a brand spanking new ground (thanks in no small part to Klopp). So again, not much to compare.

 

[Dancfc]

No what we should do is keep changing managers after every sticky patch.

Well yeah that's exactly what you should do until you find the right man. This notion of sticking with managers that are clearly not cutting it or have stagnated is footballing suicide.

Take a look at Liverpool as an example,

Roy wasn't the right man, gone in six months.

Kenny after a promising start got exposed as yesterday's man, gone despite his bonafide legend status at the club.

Brendan, good first year, great second, average third then after a woeful start to the 4th, sacked. No sentiment because of 13/14 the board realised it won't getting any better so sacked him.

Now they have who many will regard as the best manager in the world who has assembled one of the best teams in this country in recent times. Liverpool are reaping the rewards of quick decisive action.

So really in short you absolutely should keep sacking managers until you find the right one and if that one stagnates after a period of success you replace him and go again. Yes it would have been lovely and romantic if Moyes got through three years of struggles and started winning titles but in reality you would have turned into a bonafide midtable team had you given him that time, and every one knew it hence near enough every opposition fan being gutted when you sacked him and I'd wager it will be a similar song if//when Ole gets the boot.

 

[Amerifan]

One problem with changing managers often is it gets expensive. That 20 million we paid out Jose would have bought us a decent striker or midfielder this summer. LVG and Moyes severance cost us another player or two. I doubt Ole is on a high price payout, but the big names thrown around will demand assurances. I’d rather we take our time and get it right and spend the money on players. This season is over regardless.

 

[FrantikChicken]

Liverpool could afford the risk. They hadn’t won anything in decades. We’re the largest club in the world. We should be attracting the best in the business, not gambling on the next one to work out.

Moyes, LVG, and especially Jose cost us a lot of money when they left, so the board was reluctant to invest in another top manager. Ole was a much smaller risk. Our manager strategy fits with Ed’s sound byte of playing “young, attacking football”. They’re both just money saving ploys.

I don't agree with this narrative at all. Saving on the manager is a cheap person's mentality, and if anything, the glazers and Woodward are anything but cheap. They're people made of money. Anyone with half a brain knows that us being at the top would make us much more money than saving a few million on the manager.

I think the problem is more that they don't understand the sport at all, don't know how to properly support the manager in what he needs, don't know how to deal properly in the transfer market, etc.

 

[Un4givableB]

One problem with changing managers often is it gets expensive. That 20 million we paid out Jose would have bought us a decent striker or midfielder this summer. LVG and Moyes severance cost us another player or two. I doubt Ole is on a high price payout, but the big names thrown around will demand assurances. I’d rather we take our time and get it right and spend the money on players. This season is over regardless.

20 million for decent striker or midfielder? Only if you had a time machine, besides l don't think it's paid in one big lump sum, as l understand it, It's paid over the length of the contract. And if Jose gets another job that affects the money he gets.

 

[Seaman]

20 million for decent striker or midfielder? Only if you had a time machine, besides l don't think it's paid in one big lump sum, as l understand it, It's paid over the length of the contract. And if Jose gets another job that affects the money he gets.

I never understood how little people think managers are worth. People have no problem taking a punt on young talent for 20 million. But a highly rated manager and most wouldnt buy him out for 20 million.

 

[Amerifan]

I don't agree with this narrative at all. Saving on the manager is a cheap person's mentality, and if anything, the glazers and Woodward are anything but cheap. They're people made of money. Anyone with half a brain knows that us being at the top would make us much more money than saving a few million on the manager.

I think the problem is more that they don't understand the sport at all, don't know how to properly support the manager in what he needs, don't know how to deal properly in the transfer market, etc.

£5 million payoff to Moyes and staff, £8 million to LVG, £20 million to Mourinho. Ole is likely only a few million. According to Ed the value of CL football this season was £20 to £30 million. You do the math.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Liverpool could afford the risk. They hadn’t won anything in decades. We’re the largest club in the world. We should be attracting the best in the business, not gambling on the next one to work out.

Moyes, LVG, and especially Jose cost us a lot of money when they left, so the board was reluctant to invest in another top manager. Ole was a much smaller risk. Our manager strategy fits with Ed’s sound byte of playing “young, attacking football”. They’re both just money saving ploys.

The best in the business are taken. We need the next "next big things".

 

[starman]

I can see there lots of hipster choices, I like Farke as much as the next person but its way too soon to consider him. Lots of these initial impact managers are basically what Howe was when Bournemouth got promoted, and fade off, but what he has done is stayed the course and established Bournemouth as a deserving PL club, all the way up from the bottom of league 2....
I am not Ole out yet, but Howe basically ticks every box for the type of the rebuild that the board supposedly wants of developing a young team, with a clear philosophy and playing exciting football. I want to believe in Ole, but its more of a hope than a understanding. Howe is someone i could truly get behind and give a lot of time to, he just needs that platform, imo.

 

[AkaAkuma]

I can see there lots of hipster choices, I like Farke as much as the next person but its way too soon to consider him. Lots of these initial impact managers are basically what Howe was when Bournemouth got promoted, and fade off, but what he has done is stayed the course and established Bournemouth as a deserving PL club, all the way up from the bottom of league 2....
I am not Ole out yet, but Howe basically ticks every box for the type of the rebuild that the board supposedly wants of developing a young team, with a clear philosophy and playing exciting football. I want to believe in Ole, but its more of a hope than a understanding. Howe is someone i could truly get behind and give a lot of time to, he just needs that platform, imo.

I could get on board with Eddie Howe under the right circumstances. He would fail if he was bombed in as a rescue choice, but if there was a positive mood to Solskjaer leaving it could work.

My current option in the event things feck up royally with Solskjaer would be Ancelotti, I think he offers the same qualities as Ole but more nous. I also think he'd jump at the chance rather than feeling any loyalty to Napoli.

 

[Sanche7]

I could get on board with Eddie Howe under the right circumstances. He would fail if he was bombed in as a rescue choice, but if there was a positive mood to Solskjaer leaving it could work.

My current option in the event things feck up royally with Solskjaer would be Ancelotti, I think he offers the same qualities as Ole but more nous. I also think he'd jump at the chance rather than feeling any loyalty to Napoli.

Napoli are extremely hard to deal with. We saw how much Chelsea struggled to get Sarri.
Personally I feel we should go for someone younger, more modern.

 

[r0663664]

I just a man that I believe can turn things around. Jose would still be here if the board back him in the transfer. If Jose was backed, we would still be top 4. I think the main culprit here is Ed, he hire a top top manager and refuse to back him to buy Maguire and he went to pay a world record fee for him. What an idiot! If Maguire was bought, we would still be in Champion League. I don't know if I trust Ole today, do I expect Ed to backup in January window? Ed may decide to hold on the funds and appoint a new manager again. It is happening over and over again. Ed is the main man who got all these wrong. Ed should not meddle in footballing decision, hire and DOF and stay out of football. Let the new man think if Ole is the right man.

 

[Mainoldo]

I just a man that I believe can turn things around. Jose would still be here if the board back him in the transfer. If Jose was backed, we would still be top 4. I think the main culprit here is Ed, he hire a top top manager and refuse to back him to buy Maguire and he went to pay a world record fee for him. What an idiot! If Maguire was bought, we would still be in Champion League. I don't know if I trust Ole today, do I expect Ed to backup in January window? Ed may decide to hold on the funds and appoint a new manager again. It is happening over and over again. Ed is the main man who got all these wrong. Ed should not meddle in footballing decision, hire and DOF and stay out of football. Let the new man think if Ole is the right man.

How about all the stuff inbetween? Jose was finished from Sanchez through to Sevilla.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

The club must do whatever it takes to get a manger that I believe is the only manager that is on the level of Guordiaola and Klopp in how they built there suad, played great attacking football and has turned a midtable side into the 3 rd best team in the league, reached a Champions League Final, promoted numerous young players and doing so on a lot less funds than the other top teams and topped it all off with the opening of their new stadium.

Mauricio Pochettino is the only man I see at the moment that would get this club back to where we belong at the top of English Football.
We can;t afford another Guordiola situation when we missed out on him after Fergies retirement.
Poch is the man.

 

[ILC]

The only manager on par with Pep and Klopp right now is Allegri.

 

[FrantikChicken]

£5 million payoff to Moyes and staff, £8 million to LVG, £20 million to Mourinho. Ole is likely only a few million. According to Ed the value of CL football this season was £20 to £30 million. You do the math.

THIS season. What about consistent CL football? You're also not considering the larger advertising and merch revenue that comes with a winning team. Don't Adidas pay us a lot less if we're not in the CL? You do the math.

 

[Skills]

Well yeah that's exactly what you should do until you find the right man. This notion of sticking with managers that are clearly not cutting it or have stagnated is footballing suicide.

Take a look at Liverpool as an example,

Roy wasn't the right man, gone in six months.

Kenny after a promising start got exposed as yesterday's man, gone despite his bonafide legend status at the club.

Brendan, good first year, great second, average third then after a woeful start to the 4th, sacked. No sentiment because of 13/14 the board realised it won't getting any better so sacked him.

Now they have who many will regard as the best manager in the world who has assembled one of the best teams in this country in recent times. Liverpool are reaping the rewards of quick decisive action.

So really in short you absolutely should keep sacking managers until you find the right one and if that one stagnates after a period of success you replace him and go again. Yes it would have been lovely and romantic if Moyes got through three years of struggles and started winning titles but in reality you would have turned into a bonafide midtable team had you given him that time, and every one knew it hence near enough every opposition fan being gutted when you sacked him and I'd wager it will be a similar song if//when Ole gets the boot.

Finally some fecking sense.

 

[Enigma_87]

Well yeah that's exactly what you should do until you find the right man. This notion of sticking with managers that are clearly not cutting it or have stagnated is footballing suicide.

Take a look at Liverpool as an example,

Roy wasn't the right man, gone in six months.

Kenny after a promising start got exposed as yesterday's man, gone despite his bonafide legend status at the club.

Brendan, good first year, great second, average third then after a woeful start to the 4th, sacked. No sentiment because of 13/14 the board realised it won't getting any better so sacked him.

Now they have who many will regard as the best manager in the world who has assembled one of the best teams in this country in recent times. Liverpool are reaping the rewards of quick decisive action.

So really in short you absolutely should keep sacking managers until you find the right one and if that one stagnates after a period of success you replace him and go again. Yes it would have been lovely and romantic if Moyes got through three years of struggles and started winning titles but in reality you would have turned into a bonafide midtable team had you given him that time, and every one knew it hence near enough every opposition fan being gutted when you sacked him and I'd wager it will be a similar song if//when Ole gets the boot.

Spot on.

Just to reiterate with the nepotism model and appointing club legends to buy them time:

AC Milan appointed Seedorf - gone in 20 or so games.
Inzaghi - relegation form - gone in 40 games.
Mihajlović - gone after 38 games.
Brocchi - gone in 7 games.
Montella - sacked in 60 games
Gatusso - sacked after 2 seasons.

and they are still shite.

 

[SilentWitness]

Howe is the choice manager in the league if you're adamant in the young British core route. He has one massive flaw though (the same as Moyes, he couldn't beat the top sides) which we aren't able to judge much because he's been too loyal in his managerial career so far.

It's difficult though because no route has worked so far for you. You tried the route of giving a manager his first shot at a big club - it didn't work out. You tried giving the job to a manager that will run a military regime and whip them into shape - it didn't work. You tried appointing one of the best managers in the world - it didn't work. You are now underneath a club legend - it's not working.

Who knows where to go from here.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Howe is the choice manager in the league if you're adamant in the young British core route. He has one massive flaw though (the same as Moyes, he couldn't beat the top sides) which we aren't able to judge much because he's been too loyal in his managerial career so far.

It's difficult though because no route has worked so far for you. You tried the route of giving a manager his first shot at a big club - it didn't work out. You tried giving the job to a manager that will run a military regime and whip them into shape - it didn't work. You tried appointing one of the best managers in the world - it didn't work. You are now underneath a club legend - it's not working.

Who knows where to go from here.

He needs to take a step up from Bournemouth just like Marco Silva did after Watford.

 

[dove]

Well yeah that's exactly what you should do until you find the right man. This notion of sticking with managers that are clearly not cutting it or have stagnated is footballing suicide.

Take a look at Liverpool as an example,

Roy wasn't the right man, gone in six months.

Kenny after a promising start got exposed as yesterday's man, gone despite his bonafide legend status at the club.

Brendan, good first year, great second, average third then after a woeful start to the 4th, sacked. No sentiment because of 13/14 the board realised it won't getting any better so sacked him.

Now they have who many will regard as the best manager in the world who has assembled one of the best teams in this country in recent times. Liverpool are reaping the rewards of quick decisive action.

So really in short you absolutely should keep sacking managers until you find the right one and if that one stagnates after a period of success you replace him and go again. Yes it would have been lovely and romantic if Moyes got through three years of struggles and started winning titles but in reality you would have turned into a bonafide midtable team had you given him that time, and every one knew it hence near enough every opposition fan being gutted when you sacked him and I'd wager it will be a similar song if//when Ole gets the boot.

Sad when oppo fans speak more sense than our deluded ones.

 

[sparx99]

We need to stick with Ole - chopping and changing isn't doing us any good and I think at this point it should be relatively clear that no manager is going to do much with this squad the way that it is. Ole is having a tough time getting the players to do what he wants on the pitch but he does at least seem to have a good vision of how he wants the team to play and who here doesn't fit in that image.


The only thing that would change my opinion on this is if we can get Pochettino and tie him down to a long term contract.

I don't necessarily agree. Clearly, we have chopped and changed too much but the issue has been the huge philosophical swings as well. Moyes was out of his depth, LVG wanted to play possession, Mourinho plays more direct and defensive and then Ole who talks about a high press and fast football. If he doesn't improve performances and results then we will need to sack him. The key is bringing in somebody looking to play a high tempo game so its not such a dramatic lurch again.

This is where Lucien Favre, Pocchetino, Nagelsmann or Rose could be the best bet. I really think Favre could work wonders with our group. We have a lot of the key elements of his Dortmund team just not the tactics from our coaching staff to implement it.

https://www.thefalse9.com/2018/11/lucien-favre-tactics-formation-dortmund.html

If we brought Favre in then we would probably only need two signings to be able to play his football. A central midfielder and a right-winger. He'd almost certainly push Pogba into Reus' positon at Attacking Midfield. Then he would need a new CM to join McTominay in the double pivot and a Right Winger so that Rashford/James could play LW and new player/James could play RW.

Everything else after that is tactical which is what we lack so clearly.

 

[Mainoldo]

Spot on.

Just to reiterate with the nepotism model and appointing club legends to buy them time:

AC Milan appointed Seedorf - gone in 20 or so games.
Inzaghi - relegation form - gone in 40 games.
Mihajlović - gone after 38 games.
Brocchi - gone in 7 games.
Montella - sacked in 60 games
Gatusso - sacked after 2 seasons.

and they are still shite.

I think the best way to keep knowledge away from United fans is to make us believe we are the only club in world football. Seeing as everytime facts show us what we are doing will fail we find s way in calling on the United spirit to assume it will be different with us.

I mean Mourinho went ‘Mourinho’ like he does with all his clubs yet we still believed he would turn it round and it was our fault.

 

[simplyared]

I can see there lots of hipster choices, I like Farke as much as the next person but its way too soon to consider him. Lots of these initial impact managers are basically what Howe was when Bournemouth got promoted, and fade off, but what he has done is stayed the course and established Bournemouth as a deserving PL club, all the way up from the bottom of league 2....
I am not Ole out yet, but Howe basically ticks every box for the type of the rebuild that the board supposedly wants of developing a young team, with a clear philosophy and playing exciting football. I want to believe in Ole, but its more of a hope than a understanding. Howe is someone i could truly get behind and give a lot of time to, he just needs that platform, imo.

Truth is there are no British managers around who could succeed at our club. We need someone with passion, a tactition, someone who is used to dealing with a group of international players with big ego's, someone with an attitude who won't be told what to do, someone relitavely young, someone who's gone through the ropes through all levels of coaching and worked his way up, someone who has an awe and authority about him. If Klopp is right for Liverpool then Tuchel is right for us. Our board should be already making plans to land Tuchel in the summer when his contract goes out with PSG. No brainer!!

 

[Sandikan]

We'll very obviously stick with Ole unless we hit a run of defeats so catastrophic we end up 12-14th in mid season.

What will be a very tough situation for our board to judge, is if we finish say 6th without any cup success.
Do we then let him splash another 100m or so?
Or do we look else where?

Id say a key element is whether we have a style of play that clearly just needs the right players added. Like with klopp.

At the moment we don't have any style of play. It's unbalanced and like a bunch of strangers.

 

[Skills]

I think the best way to keep knowledge away from United fans is to make us believe we are the only club in world football. Seeing as everytime facts show us what we are doing will fail we find s way in calling on the United spirit to assume it will be different with us.

I mean Mourinho went ‘Mourinho’ like he does with all his clubs yet we still believed he would turn it round and it was our fault.

It's like a cult. It's quite dangerous

 

[Bilbo]

I just a man that I believe can turn things around. Jose would still be here if the board back him in the transfer. If Jose was backed, we would still be top 4. I think the main culprit here is Ed, he hire a top top manager and refuse to back him to buy Maguire and he went to pay a world record fee for him. What an idiot! If Maguire was bought, we would still be in Champion League. I don't know if I trust Ole today, do I expect Ed to backup in January window? Ed may decide to hold on the funds and appoint a new manager again. It is happening over and over again. Ed is the main man who got all these wrong. Ed should not meddle in footballing decision, hire and DOF and stay out of football. Let the new man think if Ole is the right man.

Jose is not a man to build for the future. We are seeing the evidence of that right now. His players are gone and we are left with half a squad

 

[JPRouve]

Truth is there are no British managers around who could succeed at our club. We need someone with passion, a tactition, someone who is used to dealing with a group of international players with big ego's, someone with an attitude who won't be told what to do, someone relitavely young, someone who's gone through the ropes through all levels of coaching and worked his way up, someone who has an awe and authority about him. If Klopp is right for Liverpool then Tuchel is right for us. Our board should be already making plans to land Tuchel in the summer when his contract goes out with PSG. No brainer!!

His contract doesn't end this summer, not only PSG had an option but they extended him at the end of last season until 2021.

 

[sparx99]

We'll very obviously stick with Ole unless we hit a run of defeats so catastrophic we end up 12-14th in mid season.

What will be a very tough situation for our board to judge, is if we finish say 6th without any cup success.
Do we then let him splash another 100m or so?
Or do we look else where?

Id say a key element is whether we have a style of play that clearly just needs the right players added. Like with klopp.

At the moment we don't have any style of play. It's unbalanced and like a bunch of strangers.

This is the challenge. Even if we finished top 4 and won a cup we should still consider if there is a better alternative out there. That is what a ruthless top-level club would do. Rodgers at Liverpool was arguably dealt with harshly and yet look at where they are now.

 

[Eoin McMahon]

This is the challenge. Even if we finished top 4 and won a cup we should still consider if there is a better alternative out there. That is what a ruthless top-level club would do. Rodgers at Liverpool was arguably dealt with harshly and yet look at where they are now.

If Ole could get us playing good football and if at the end of the season the team looks like its going push on next season then I think that would be his best chance of staying. If continue playing like this even if we got top and a cup i'd still be skeptical and besides we'll finish 6th again if we don't improve soon.

 

[simplyared]

His contract doesn't end this summer, not only PSG had an option but they extended him at the end of last season until 2021.

Didn't realise that. Looks like he's committed himself to PSG with the goal of winning the CL with them. Obviously makes the job a lot harder with that in mind.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Didn't realise that. Looks like he's committed himself to PSG with the goal of winning the CL with them. Obviously makes the job a lot harder with that in mind.

The French league isn't strong enough, that's the biggest problem to them winning the CL.

 

[Majima]

We'll very obviously stick with Ole unless we hit a run of defeats so catastrophic we end up 12-14th in mid season.

What will be a very tough situation for our board to judge, is if we finish say 6th without any cup success.
Do we then let him splash another 100m or so?
Or do we look else where?

Id say a key element is whether we have a style of play that clearly just needs the right players added. Like with klopp.

At the moment we don't have any style of play. It's unbalanced and like a bunch of strangers.

His results in the league since he became permanent manager? Played 14; Won 4, Drawn 4, Lost 6 with -5 GD. That would put us 13th in the table so far, so we don't even need a catastrophic run, we already are on course to finish there.

He would be sacked already if we had a competent board who put football first.

 

[bond19821982]

Howe is the choice manager in the league if you're adamant in the young British core route. He has one massive flaw though (the same as Moyes, he couldn't beat the top sides) which we aren't able to judge much because he's been too loyal in his managerial career so far.

It's difficult though because no route has worked so far for you. You tried the route of giving a manager his first shot at a big club - it didn't work out. You tried giving the job to a manager that will run a military regime and whip them into shape - it didn't work. You tried appointing one of the best managers in the world - it didn't work. You are now underneath a club legend - it's not working.

Who knows where to go from here.

We got to keep looking. The above reasons doesn't give a reason to stick with an average manager.

 

[Hughie77]

Ole was not the right man, he was given it way to early, kept it at the caretaker until end of season would have been better, Chelsea didn't even give Benitez the job! And he has way way more experience than Ole.

It's not working out and rip off the plaster sooner rather than later, get Poch like they should have, or Tuchel .