We demand more sackings!! It's clear that the more managers the Caf demands we sack, the higher our chances of winning the league.
Sack Ole, sack Allegri and sack Nagelsmann!
The slow and steady slide into total mediocrity
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Sack Ole, sack Allegri and sack Nagelsmann!
Should've kept Moyes...
Tile is fitting for this forum and the little children posting on it.
I expect them to bite...
I expect them to bite...
Someone like Fergie being here for 26 odd years becomes the club and there's not much left once he goes.
He was here from the mid 80s to the early 2010s
The slow & steady slide is aided by a number of fans who are looking for any positive so defended our s*** show of a Summer as some masterful beginning to a rebuild.
Clubs that have been far more successful of late were as ‘active’ as we were in the Summer & generally are as a matter of course.
When you are not as good as someone/something you generally have to work harder, smarter or more efficiently. A mixture of those is reasonable too.
Citeh stumble into signing 2/3 players a Summer as a matter of course, something we used to do to refresh successful squads.
There is a belief amongst our fans that we “can’t do it all in one Summer” & I agree we can’t do it ‘all’ but given the nonsense OgS was spouting from about March/April regarding how he knew what we needed & who we were after; taking a month to sign AWB, waiting all summer to sign Maguire whilst Dan James dragged abit shows he was full of it.
A rebuild should be planned around squad needs, not some arbitrary “can’t do” because it would take someone at the club pulling their finger out & actually doing their jobs.
If you evaluate the squad needing 3/5/8 players then attempt to sign as many of those targets as you can. I can’t equivocally say we didn’t, I don’t work for the club nor know the inner workings. What I can say is OgS claimed he was happy with the squad & is now claiming his [very] shortlist of attacking targets were not available - although we can all see there are 10s of attacking players we could have pursued to improve our options.
Whilst our fanbase is appeased with late in the window £80mil signings the mediocrity will continue.
Clubs that have been far more successful of late were as ‘active’ as we were in the Summer & generally are as a matter of course.
When you are not as good as someone/something you generally have to work harder, smarter or more efficiently. A mixture of those is reasonable too.
Citeh stumble into signing 2/3 players a Summer as a matter of course, something we used to do to refresh successful squads.
There is a belief amongst our fans that we “can’t do it all in one Summer” & I agree we can’t do it ‘all’ but given the nonsense OgS was spouting from about March/April regarding how he knew what we needed & who we were after; taking a month to sign AWB, waiting all summer to sign Maguire whilst Dan James dragged abit shows he was full of it.
A rebuild should be planned around squad needs, not some arbitrary “can’t do” because it would take someone at the club pulling their finger out & actually doing their jobs.
If you evaluate the squad needing 3/5/8 players then attempt to sign as many of those targets as you can. I can’t equivocally say we didn’t, I don’t work for the club nor know the inner workings. What I can say is OgS claimed he was happy with the squad & is now claiming his [very] shortlist of attacking targets were not available - although we can all see there are 10s of attacking players we could have pursued to improve our options.
Whilst our fanbase is appeased with late in the window £80mil signings the mediocrity will continue.
And I totally get that, however, when we talk about the club we mean EVERYTHING.
Now, we have the best of most things like the best pitch, the biggest stadium (although needs a revamp), money to spend, one of the best training facilities etc. Fergie had all that to deal with.
But a new person has got a difficult job on their hands but one that can be achieved within a year or so. But like the OP mentions, mediocrity breads mediocrity and that's where we're at the moment. We have owners who don't have the appetite to invest to get out of this vicious cycle.
Just chill. Creating threads like this doesn't help the team or the fans even if our squad is thin and there is some truth to what you are saying. We can finish anywhere between 7th and third and that's the realistic truth
This is not in defense of Ole, but we've had 4 managers and a caretaker since Fergie retired. The fans have turned on every one of them and called them incompetent. They've been sacked, everyone of them, and the shit keeps piling up.
No, I don't think the problem is the manager.
No, I don't think the problem is the manager.
I think most fans would be happy if they see progress. We can't even seem to take even one corner kick properly. These kinds of issues are what's upsetting a lot of supporters. No matter what happy soundbite ole says people are not stupid.
I think my main issue with our current situation is not that we are mediocre. We have won enough in my lifetime for this club to deserve my patience.
My problem is that i do not see any serious intention to re-build properly and hire the right people.
All we are aiming for are shortcuts like Jose Mourinho that go against everything this club was built on, for an attempt at short term success.
And even then, the shortsightedness is there for everyone to see when managers who get hired are fired 6 months in, managers who sign extensions get no funding and managers who have no top flight experience get hired instead of aiming for the absolute best managers available.
All i want to see is some planning and progress done the correct way, and i know that the people in charge are not qualified or interested in that.
My problem is that i do not see any serious intention to re-build properly and hire the right people.
All we are aiming for are shortcuts like Jose Mourinho that go against everything this club was built on, for an attempt at short term success.
And even then, the shortsightedness is there for everyone to see when managers who get hired are fired 6 months in, managers who sign extensions get no funding and managers who have no top flight experience get hired instead of aiming for the absolute best managers available.
All i want to see is some planning and progress done the correct way, and i know that the people in charge are not qualified or interested in that.
Nail. On. The. Head.
We want to see more from the guys in charge. They keep saying they are committed to bring success, but what have they show us for us to believe them? In any organisation you work in, it all starts from the very top and works it way down, not the other way around.
Ed and the Glazer's need to show us their intentions.
It's what Manchester United has been for the vast majority of it's history: Mediocre. I suggest fans understand this and readjust expectations. Non-match going and especially foreign fans need to understand that while a cut-throat business, Manchester United to it's community is, and always been about more than results and money spent.
On that basis, every club in English football history is the same.
As usual, people overthink. Of course we buy our way out of it. We buy a better manager, we buy better coaching, we buy better players. Then we win. It's very simple.
Currently we have a shit manager and small squad full of young average players. We'll finish top half.
Currently we have a shit manager and small squad full of young average players. We'll finish top half.
Ironically it's when they move out from the long term gain mentality they finally get klopp
Then we wont sign anyone
The name manchester united isnt enough to make a proper football star plays for less wage and nothing to win
Maaan bench Rashy for the left and get Gnarby in there, what a monster!
Home games are mostly attended by season ticket holders, which are sold out before the season even starts. A boycott achieves little.
Profits from merchandise go directly to the company who holds the contract, currently Adidas, meaning, again, this suggested action achieves little, if anything.
Oh bless, you DO get it. Your club is not special, and thus the bitching and the tubthumping "We Are Manchester United, not....." BS should cease.
In conclusion, another Ole out thread. Ffs.
And that’s different to now, how exactly?
Its a strange one, huh. It cannot be players as well, as apart from De Gea and Jones no one else is from the Fergie era. Our team is significantly different from then. I can't even say its the board and owners as we have spent nearly a billion on players, and it's not like we've bought shit players either.
This is getting a bit over the top. The thread will start with us becoming mediocre and end with Sack Ole and player bashing rather than focusing on what is important.
We keep losing sight of the actual reason which is way over the manager's head.
But because fans cannot really do anything about it, it is natural to take frustration out on players and the manager.
We keep losing sight of the actual reason which is way over the manager's head.
But because fans cannot really do anything about it, it is natural to take frustration out on players and the manager.
None of the managers at the time they were hired were good enough. You can only look to see where each one ended up after they got sacked from here. When we appoint the right manager things will start to fall into place.
Keep talking about it till death do us
Very passive aggressive
It's not that we're special. It's that we're absolutely loaded and are underachieving massively. Not fulfilling your potential or even close to it is whats so frustrating.
The club and its facilities are in a healthy state, just not the football side.
There's how it is different.
A right manager right now is the one who knows how to assemble a full football structure and will leave seeds for the future.
Unfortunately those kind of managers are usually rare and expensive because they also bring a lot of staff with them, but that's where we start to "learn" and are taken.
Being a patronising ass is not a clever way if you want to get many more posts on here
Your own club is always special, but it takes some incredible idiocy to say clubs like United, Pool etc aren't special, or have been "mediocre" for most of their time.
There's a reason these teams have huge fanbases and mass media interest, and it's not just because both had 15-20 years of winning a lot.
Great base... but legitimately not a single player who would start for either Liverpool or Manchester City.
If we're aiming towards 6th place, amazing.
Are you saying that you haven't been, and what's happening to you now isn't merely a reversion to the mean? Because a quick trip to wikipedia would set you straight if that's the case. FYI, I become a patronising ass when I see posts implying that because you're Manchester United you should automatically be winning things. And it's a big forum, with quite a few that hold that view so....Being a patronising ass is not a clever way if you want to get many more posts on here
Your own club is always special, but it takes some incredible idiocy to say clubs like United, Pool etc aren't special, or have been "mediocre" for most of their time.
There's a reason these teams have huge fanbases and mass media interest, and it's not just because both had 15-20 years of winning a lot.
Yeah, that's fair enough. For what it's worth I have nothing specifically against United, and actively like Solskjaer. So I am actually rooting for you to do better than you are.
Yes we're sliding into mediocrity and it's being allowed to continue. The naivety of our manager thinking Pogba "is not going anywhere" and he's committed to the course bla bla bla couldn't be further from the truth. He's not going to fix it we all know the job's too big for him.
So your suggestion is even with the evidence in front of you that the team was not performing we should have just kept the managers?
Every single one that has gone deserved to go and probably sooner than they did. And Ole will be exactly the same. Maybe the squad isn’t good enough but I would expect more from this group of players. We can’t even pass the ball.
Solskjær is naiv because he's not publicly stating Pogba is not comitted?
Where does it say that? If you are clueless as a manager, then get your crap together and get a clue. If you are stupid, get smart.
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Ok get your point. Still very naive of him though to think we're all going to believe it.
We are 3 points off top 4.
It maybe of no consequence to him, but the point I was making was it's of considerable consequence to (certain) players who don't seem to care about winning as long as the money keeps rolling in - as pioneered back in the day by Winston Bogarde at Chelsea and then taken to the ultimate level by Sanchez, at Utd.