Oh got to love the sjws.
Never fail to impress me with their stupidity.
Oh got to love the sjws.
What are those morons even trying to achieve here? Why's this movie getting so much shit press from butthurt lefties again?
Is that really against the grain at this point? It's down in the low 60s on metacritic.Inevitably, Bradshaw goes against the grain (yawn):
The most disappointing film of the year ~
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/03/joker-review-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips
Not sure that really holds up. Reading the negative reviews from the "top critics" on Rotten Tomatoes, none of the complaints have been about the message of the film or any perceived pro-gun sentiments.The SJWs and Anti-Guns critics worry more about the message and purposely giving negative reviews to the movie. Thinking this movie can inspire people towards violence...
It's out there, google it up.
They mostly wouldn't care about that because John Wick doesn't have the same following amongst incels that the Joker has and that is what's causing the concern here. There are a bunch of angry people who feel that society has let them down and some of them have already resorted to violence as a result. And here is a film where the central character is an angry person who decides to start killing as a response to them believing society has let them down and the worry is that someone who already feels on the edge might be motivated to follow suit. Personally, I think it's overblown, especially given what @sullydnl has written above but I can see why it's this film that's attracted this response.They were saying this before they had even seen the film. Where were these SJW twats when John wick 3 came out.
That kind of mindset is merely entitlement in disguise, IMO. It's justification virtually after-the-fact.There are a bunch of angry people who feel that society has let them down and some of them have already resorted to violence as a result.
I agree, hence me saying that they feel like society has let them down. They struggle to connect with others but rather than try to improve themselves, they lash out and blame society or blame particular groups (normally women).That kind of mindset is merely entitlement in disguise, IMO. It's justification virtually after-the-fact.
It's only a big deal to fully grown adults who are so invested in comic book movies that they become offended by anyone not taking their tastes seriously. For everyone else, there's plenty of middling to negative reviews, and they all make the same criticisms, specifically that it's neither as dark nor as challenging as the hype suggested.What's the big deal anyway? People are allowed to give a movie a bad review if they don't like its overall message. All about a personal opinion at the end of the day.
I guessing I will hate the movie(I'm not the biggest fan of Tax Driver, so a clown rip off is hardly going to work) but Bradshaws review was just lazy and boring.On second thoughts, I think my anti-Bradshaw moaning resulted from him giving movies' endings/twists away in so many reviews.
Isn't that an odd thing to criticise though? I mean where is this hype coming from? Can't have a go at the film for not living up to expectations that weren't created by the people involved. How about just reviewing the film on it's own merits? How many questions can I squeeze into one post? Is five too many?It's only a big deal to fully grown adults who are so invested in comic book movies that they become offended by anyone not taking their tastes seriously. For everyone else, there's plenty of middling to negative reviews, and they all make the same criticisms, specifically that it's neither as dark nor as challenging as the hype suggested.
Isnt the criticism that it sort of champions a white man feeling let down by society resorts to violence?It's only a big deal to fully grown adults who are so invested in comic book movies that they become offended by anyone not taking their tastes seriously. For everyone else, there's plenty of middling to negative reviews, and they all make the same criticisms, specifically that it's neither as dark nor as challenging as the hype suggested.
Kind of the jokers character though isn't that...Isnt the criticism that it sort of champions a white man feeling let down by society resorts to violence?
It's not a criticism I agree with mind, just stating what I've read online. There's also the worry that people might take to the streets and turn to violence themselves. Makes you wonder, don't people have parents to teach them that you shouldn't behave like a Batman villain in real life?Kind of the jokers character though isn't that...
Hmmm that immediately made me think of Falling Down and whether there was a huge controversy when that got released. Turns out there was...Isnt the criticism that it sort of champions a white man feeling let down by society resorts to violence?
andContextually, Falling Down was released in theatres less than one year after the 1992 Los Angeles riots. In them, the targeting of Korean-Americans and their businesses by rioters was a point of fact. The Korean American Coalition[23] and Korean Grocers Association[24] protested the film for its treatment of minorities, especially the Korean grocer. Warner Brothers Korea canceled the release of Falling Down in South Korea following boycott threats.[25] The outcry by the Grocers Association in particular was sufficient to see Michael Douglas meet with members at Warner Brothers Studio because they "were there and they were pissed. So we had a conversation and I told them, 'Look, I'm very sorry, but there's a reason the screenwriter picked certain things to put in the film.'"[26]
Unemployed defense workers were also angered at their portrayal in the film.[23] Falling Down has been described as a definitive exploration of the notion of the "angry white male"; the character of D‑FENS was featured on magazine covers, including the March 29, 1993 issue[27] of Newsweek magazine, and reported upon as an embodiment of the stereotype.[28]
In the aftermath of the 2015 Chapel Hill shooting, the wife of perpetrator Craig Stephen Hicks[29] recounted his obsession with the film to the Associated Press: "That always freaked me out. (Craig) watched it incessantly. He thought it was hilarious. He had no compassion at all."[30]
In 2012, Tasha Robinson of The A.V. Club was critical of the '90s film "that most stands out for me from that era, because it's such a ham-handed, wrong-headed, self-congratulatory attempt to encapsulate its era's spirit". Robinson added "the film treats virtually everyone around him [D-FENS] as worthless, and presents his violence as the comedic payoff, turns it into a tone-deaf, self-pitying lament about the terrible persecution facing the oppressed majority in an era of political correctness and increasing multiculturalism." She finishes her short review with, "It's a profoundly hateful film disguised alternately (and erratically) as either tragedy or humor."[20] An earlier 2008 review on the site said, "Heat used as a metaphor for simmering rage is nothing new, but few films execute sweaty psychosis as well."[21]
On the 25th anniversary of the film's release, film critic April Wolfe of LA Weekly wrote that it "remains one of Hollywood's most overt yet morally complex depictions of the modern white-victimization narrative, one both adored and reviled by the extreme right". Wolfe said "Today, we might see D-Fens and the white supremacist as the infighting sides of the far right — one couches racism in coded words like "thug," while the other wants an outright ethnic cleanse. Ultimately, what both want is to return to their idea of a purer America, unburdened by the concerns of minorities and women". Wolfe suggested that Rupert Murdoch would "go on to bottle that fury and package it as patriotism" in creating Fox News.[22]
Yeah, the negative reviews did criticise it on multiple levels, also as a self contained work, totally independent of hype etc. It's had a very mixed reception critically and the negative reviews are pretty much uniform in what didn't work.Isn't that an odd thing to criticise though? I mean where is this hype coming from? Can't have a go at the film for not living up to expectations that weren't created by the people involved. How about just reviewing the film on it's own merits? How many questions can I squeeze into one post? Is five too many?
Nope he's not.My friends are boring so I might go to this alone. People are saying he is arguably better than heath ledger
My friends are boring so I might go to this alone. People are saying he is arguably better than heath ledger
He was the first joker to seem genuinely unhinged, in a dangerous way. An agent of chaos. And Ledger fully committed without ever being overly theatrical or cheesy. He was mesmeric.I haven't seen Heath's performance - can anyone explain to me why it's considered to be so good, please?
I'm not into super hero movies at all but even I went to see that film to see if he lived up to the hype of that performance and he did. Was mesmeric.I haven't seen Heath's performance - can anyone explain to me why it's considered to be so good, please?
You should watch it. It's about as good as superhero films get.Cheers.
He stole the show. Every scene with him was iconic. However the brilliance of it was that he had no real motive for any of his actions. Extremely unpredictable, just trying to sow chaos for chaos' sake. The screenwriting was perfect. Even batman didn’t get itI haven't seen Heath's performance - can anyone explain to me why it's considered to be so good, please?
Personally, Joker should never even have a back story or try and see why he is how he is. He's just nuts, and thats all he ever should be.Kind of the jokers character though isn't that...
This I just don’t get. I know everything is subjective but I was captivated by him from the get go. And the incidents with his laugh (gonna put this in spoilers although not technically spoiling anything as describing performance not the scenes) whenJust finished watching it. It is a bit of a hype machine and honestly there were times I was considering just leaving the cinema as for large portions it’s a bit of a bore fest. However I’m glad I didn’t as the last 15-20mins are worth it.
Phoenix performance is annoying and stale and not much going for it other than an annoying laugh and contorting his “machinist” body in to shapes. Then there is like a 5 minute spell of good stuff at the end where all of a sudden it’s like yes here we go, if I compare it to other stand out performances I’ve seen over the years then I wouldn’t say it’s anything spectacular.
Kinda feel like this is just a movie that could be about anyone except they slapped a Joker title on it to make it more grandiose.