Which is why you can fault Woodward and also hiring Ole in the first place. But not signing a midfielder considering we probably had shortlist of one - Longstaff - is borderline hilarious.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Agree, but then He also didn't approve Maguire signing last season. So he is to blame to certain extent
Jose is at fault for the failings of the squad that finished last season... But if Jose left Ole a squad so bad that Ole can't be blamed at all for our worst start in 30 odd years, then how come this same super-bad Jose squad managed to finish 2nd - above the now mighty Liverpool - a mere paltry 18 months ago??... And if the reason - as Jose claims - is that he forced them into the biggest achievement of his career, then surely that only proves how a relatively shit team can be made to perform at a higher level with the right managerial influence!? An argument that automatically ruins the idea that Ole is powerless to influence this squad... It's either one or the other?
As much as I viciously disliked Jose towards the end of his reign, he can't be blamed for his successor selling a prominent chunk of his squad and then wilfully not replacing it. Even if Ole is being hamstrung by the board behind the scenes, the lack of any kind of discernible playing style after 10 whole months (4-5 more than it took Klopp to instil some semblance of his ethos in his Liverpool side, after a similar mid-season appointment) is entirely on him... His long term plan may have been acceptable/achievable 6-8 odd years ago, in a much less competitive, less intensively tactical League. But in 2019, trying to build a new "United Way" by promoting youth through a threadbare squad, with no tactical philosophy, in the antiquated vein of the Class of 92 (who were brought into a much better, already established side, to fight a domestic rival managed by Kevin Keegan!) is just desperately naive, IMO...
And it's not unreasonable to voice such concerns.
For that certainly. Loves to pay over the odds for certain players. Still nothing beats the Fellaini transfer.
When it comes to planning the squad for the upcoming season that’s on the manager. I’m not sure even the DoF will intervene directly - he would be more in hand with the long term vision rather than a single season.
well yes agree, the on the pitch display is not on Ed but he is responsible for the fiasco we are in
Aye. Experienced DoF to take the director role on the footballing side is our best bet.
Sure hope we don’t go for someone like Ole or Evra though..
I wish the world would have listened last year. It was free
It will be in the Championship, but as long as Woodward is gone, eh?
See, I don't buy into this at all. To me it's like saying we should let Tim Burton make all of the Batman films from now on, because his were good in the 90s, and this whole modern Marvel thing is just a phase...
I think we're in a specific era of football where intensive tactical coaching is more important than it's ever been. In much the same way that the Puskas inspired Hungary of '53 embarrassed the outdated and arrogant England team back in the day, and thus forced us to adapt ...Adapt in the way that Fergie would've no doubt embraced, because that's what he was all about.
Except rather than do that, we're doing the complete opposite. We're doubling down on some fictitious old-school boot room nostalgia bullshit, and putting our faith in a guy who has no track record of any tactical ingenuity, in a hail mary pass that it might come off!
But what’s your answer? Who comes in with a good chance of success? Fifth change in 6 years for a lot of this squad (most who shouldn’t be here but another matter) will they suddenly start playing to the level they should be? Maybe for a month or 2 like the last change and the good start I seem to remember under Jose (points wise not particularly the football)
When it was clear Ander after the 2017/18 season was not going to be here, what did Woodward do?
Ole joined well before this season started. Woodward controls the finances. We should not have been looking for players after the season ended.
Now the talk is we in for McGinn in Jan. Who is going to weaken their squad mid season?
The only option is to push either Axel or Jones into midfield.
It is not unrealistic that we could be pulled into a relegation struggle after the Holiday fixtures.
But Woodward is happy about the Revenue we are generating.
Ole joined well before this season started. Woodward controls the finances. We should not have been looking for players after the season ended.
Now the talk is we in for McGinn in Jan. Who is going to weaken their squad mid season?
The only option is to push either Axel or Jones into midfield.
It is not unrealistic that we could be pulled into a relegation struggle after the Holiday fixtures.
But Woodward is happy about the Revenue we are generating.
Well, this is where you've got me... I don't have an answer!
Well, I do. But it's "we should've kept Ole as our interim like we originally planned whilst we courted Poch & Zidane for the summer, and not given him it full time on a whim because Twitter and shit said so"... But hey, we didn't do that, because we're idiots... So feck knows...
As much as I complain, I wouldn't sack him until there's a genuine replacement available. That'd obviously make things worse. I'm not arguing for that, per say. More so jumping in when I feel someone is being delusional about his potential... He's not getting any better. We're treading water here. Make no bones about it. We're stuck in footballing purgatory for at least 6 months.
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And in the cold light of day do zidane or Poch still feel they would be the right fit?
To me without an obvious alternative I don’t see the benefit in firing Ole yet. He needs to start winning again right soon but he’s being fecked each and every way. The players make it feel like they are doing us a favour if they got off the treatment table, top players too. If you haven’t got them playing and performing I don’t really see what else we can expect.
What’s with the obsession that you should not fire employees who are clearly not fit for the job and out of their depth?
If Ole was fired after the season ended we would’ve hired a better manager and we would’ve been in a much better position.
Instead we will let him break all negative records this year and pick up a check on top of that for the service.
If you are firing people within the first year of employment the problem is not the employee (unless he’s a tea leaf of course or worse
)I’m curious - how much more time you need to see that Ole is completely useless as a manager? Put us in relegation zone?If you are firing people within the first year of employment the problem is not the employee (unless he’s a tea leaf of course or worse
I’d like to see how he does with a fully fit team first, not sure if that is going to happen with what i class as soft players though.
I feel Poch would be, yes. And whatever qualms I had about Zidane when we were first linked (namely that he had no distinctive style) have become less and less of an issue under Ole's tactically vacuous tenure...Not to mention that he'd be a near peerless totem for attracting players. Beyond even Jose getting Zlatan and Pogba to join us as a Europa League team... And I mean, like, we could genuinely convince Pogba to stay and be in with an outside chance of Mbappe.... Zidane + Manchester United would be biggest thing in 21st Century football!!
But Solskjaer has identified Sean Longstaff as a target, so, you know, silver linings on both sides and all that...
I agree...But the only reason there's no benefit, is because there's no obvious replacement...
If I had any faith in the club to have scouted the next big thing (like Soton did with Poch, for example) then I'd make the swap in an instant.... But sadly, I don't. We'll go for the highest profile manager available. So it's worth keeping Ole, to our own detriment, until a good one eventually becomes available! This is us now.
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People finding all sorts of excuses for this guy. he is a terrible manager, and no, sticking with him won't suddenly turn him into Fergie mk. 2
Ole is out of his depth. Our performances have been very mediocre. Give him till December then move him on.
However I am pleased with the list management side of things. Perhaps he would be an ideal candidate for DoF.
However I am pleased with the list management side of things. Perhaps he would be an ideal candidate for DoF.
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Dug this post up, because the forum permanently needs a reminder.
I think he talks pure shite, knows nothing about tactics and team management is appalling. Plus his presence on the touch line is nothing short of depressing.
The players aren’t soft they just arent good enough.
It’s not a dichotomy. Are problems stem from both player quality and manager ineptitude.
Your hatred towards Pogba is something else. Now you're turning Pogba playing while injured into an attack on posters for merely calling you and others (who were wrong about him not giving his all) out.
Still think we would be much ahead in the table had Martial been fit. We looked very good when he was on the pitch. His presence is what we've been missing.
Perhaps
But every clueless fan on here could see we left ourselves woefully short when it came to squad depth
We have been a squad of crocks for over ten years now
With a supposedly more punishing fitness regime, why did we think it would be any different this time round?
The lack of basic competency at United really shocks me
So we can't string 2 passes together, score more than a goal a game or create chances because of one certain player injured? That speaks bad about our manager than being good.
What will we do when he gets injured again then? The season is still very long ahead btw.
Martial wouldn’t have made a jot of difference IMO
We are clearly poorly coached and have no discernible pattern of play
I honestly don’t understand what people are seeing when they back the current direction of the club
All this support for Ole is pure reactionary. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, the past managerial appointments were a farce but that doesn't mean Ole is the man to take the club forward
The football has been so appalling. Even Moyes managed to get some good performances out of even crappier players. There's no cohesion, no fluidity, no urgency. I can go on..
What has Ole done to warrant more time? Moyes was a more qualified manager than him.
The football has been so appalling. Even Moyes managed to get some good performances out of even crappier players. There's no cohesion, no fluidity, no urgency. I can go on..
What has Ole done to warrant more time? Moyes was a more qualified manager than him.
Defiantly we would be scoring more with him. He's our best finisher in our team and also links up really well with Pogba. Watch how they combined well to win the penalty against wolves, despite the fact that the box was swarming with players. He's also very good in holding the ball back to the goal and brings other players into play. He's our most important player as he can score smallest chances.
the forum needs a reminder that Busby and Ferguson didn't have immediate success? what's that got to do with Ole being a shit manager? or is the train of thought that provided time Ole will suddenly morph into a generational manager like Busby or Ferguson almost as if he was a pokemon of some sort? If time is the magic recipe, we should have stuck with Moyes.
Ole is a shit manager and no emotional appeals to Busby or Ferguson will change that.
We all know that Ole is merely a symptom, not the disease itself. However that's still not a sufficient reason to tolerate his laughable incompetence. I'm certain that an elite manager could take us as high as 3rd, even with this mediocre squad and with a band of idiots running the club. Our Top 4 rivals are very weak this season.
Its time and had my limit. This is my 1st post since SAF retired. In these years I gave my 10000% support quitely no matter what happen to EX manager, but not OGS. I was an United fans since 5 years old and now I am 40. I never miss a single match although I have to wake up in the middle of the night due to huge time difference. And now I couldn't give a sh!t anymore.
I cried also United, laugh also United. My whole week emotion could be simply affected by a win or lose match by United. But I just dont care now.
I feel insulted when the manager happy with the shower of sh!t that put in past 6 months. I had watch other EPL match but no team has perform like we did. No plan, no organization, low spirit, zombie passing, player's in the wrong place in the wrong time....
Sry for my bad English, because its not my main lauguage. Same goes to Ole, just call it a day if feel that United is not your level.
I cried also United, laugh also United. My whole week emotion could be simply affected by a win or lose match by United. But I just dont care now.
I feel insulted when the manager happy with the shower of sh!t that put in past 6 months. I had watch other EPL match but no team has perform like we did. No plan, no organization, low spirit, zombie passing, player's in the wrong place in the wrong time....
Sry for my bad English, because its not my main lauguage. Same goes to Ole, just call it a day if feel that United is not your level.
This old song and dance, eh? This club has been around for 141-years and you've managed to list our two most successful managers of all time. In other words; outliers. The statistical and practical (based on what we've seen) likelihood that Solskjaer is going to be able to replicate even a modicum of the aforementioned legends' success is highly unlikely. The fact of the matter is, managers get sacked all of the time for being subpar and incompetent. I'm not going to sit here and claim that every decision to do so was, is and will be justified, but very much like players, top level managers are scarce. The revolving door is always in motion and for good reason.
Let's look at our first season post Sir Alex, shall we. By the end of the 2013/14 season, 12 Premier League managers had been sacked. Twelve. Take a gander at this casualty list below.
Paulo Di Canio
Ian Halloway
Martin Jol
Steve Clarke
Andre Villas-Boas
Malky Mackay
Michael Laudrup
Rene Meulensteen
Chris Hughton
David Moyes (shudders)
Pepe Mel
Tim Sherwood
What an inspiring list of managerial powerhouses. I suppose they should have all been granted 3-5 years and unmitigated access to their respective club's funds.
Unfortunately for us, Ole and any future manager, our owners and upper management are rotten to the core. However, that's not to say a superior manager wouldn't be helpful. I mean, we had zero shots on target against AZ Alkmaar and Ole publicly claimed it was a "good performance." Have I've been smacked over the head and sent back in time to "Moyes' Boys" era? I get it, we fielded a young squad so giving them a bit of motherly love makes sense. Unfortunately, it's not something that inspires a lot of confidence in the context of his time here as a permanent manager.
His gleeful facade started to crack many moons ago and he's had to resort to full-on denial. It's the pitch, it's bad luck, it's the ref, it's this, it's that, I forgot to my lucky tie in the wash. Obligatory statement where I state that Ole is one my favorite strikers of all time (he is), but this constant barrage of thinly veiled excuses is downright insulting.
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I dunno about Busby but Ferguson had domestic and European success before joining United. So Ferguson merited his time to get things right... to get his players, etc.
Anybody with domestic and European success behind them will get more time. Logic.
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I wish the world would have listened last year. It was free
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We can and should improve on Woodward. But my bigger concern about him is the overarching vision of the club and selection of managers. If we need a DoF or CEO to help Ole 'unearth' well known players like the ones City and Liverpool have signed we are delusional. Liverpool signed Mane Firmino while we signed Memphis and co. They picked better players coached them better. There are things the manager simply has to be accountable for, and can't pass on to the club.What is ridiculous is some of our fans expecting the CEO to look for midfielders, scout them, decide who are good enough and then bring them to OT
So once he gets injured during the season we will be doomed? We are still in Octobre and he will get injured again as the season is long. You are just telling me our manager is clueless once he gets one player injured which just speaks about him rather than good. His job as a coach is to find a way to replace the injured important player.
I agree Ole has three years rebuild project. Rebuild means we expect to improve step by step, and expect we can't complete with Man City and Liverpool in few years. However, is there any sign that we are improving step by step so far? Can't win even a single away game within 10 months, not even a single player improve under Ole's coaching, breaking as many bad record as we can, only 4 points ahead of relegation zone (not mention 6 away out of 7 games in Oct), and now the manager pleased with a performance of 0 shot on target? This is nothing about the quality of players, nothing about Ed Woodward, this is totally about bad coaching.
Look at Pep, even he didn't win any trophies in first season, he implied his philosophy into his team, playing attacking football, and when he bought defenders in second season, he started to dominate Premier League. Look at Klopp with that quality of players in first season, he implied his pressing attacking football, and become the most scoring team. And now you look at Ole, is there any philosophy coming from him? No! I even wonder M.Phelen is more likely be our manager than Ole. So at the end, if we are out of Top 4, or even out of Top 6, will quality players, such as our dream target Sancho, choose to come Man Utd? Actually no. Then how can our rebuild project finish in 3 years? It will just take more and more time.
Look at Pep, even he didn't win any trophies in first season, he implied his philosophy into his team, playing attacking football, and when he bought defenders in second season, he started to dominate Premier League. Look at Klopp with that quality of players in first season, he implied his pressing attacking football, and become the most scoring team. And now you look at Ole, is there any philosophy coming from him? No! I even wonder M.Phelen is more likely be our manager than Ole. So at the end, if we are out of Top 4, or even out of Top 6, will quality players, such as our dream target Sancho, choose to come Man Utd? Actually no. Then how can our rebuild project finish in 3 years? It will just take more and more time.
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