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They need to go as well.
How not?I can't believe that was the bit you took umbrage with to be fair.
Its not just about implementing youth, Chelsea and Derby have had senior players performing well too. No one is performing for us.Could be that Chelsea have a properly implemented structure for their youth players to work their way up and be integrated into the first team setup, rather than our way of picking the best of the crop of youngsters and using them to fill holes in the first team when there are injuries or underperforming players. I've also had the feeling that they never really clicked with Mourinho, I remember they were promoted to the first team by Woodward in a bid to improve our style aesthetically. Jose might've felt undermined as a manager. If they didnt click then McKenna wouldn't have had much influence or opportunity to implement his style.
Why Carrick stays on the bench the whole match ? If it was Roy Keane or Gary Neville they would be shouting angry at the players...
For a start he thinks Phil Neville is one of our coaches. Or that there is the slightest chance Ronaldo would come back here as a player or a coach.How not?
Haha yeah, just realized that.For a start he thinks Phil Neville is one of our coaches. Or that there is the slightest chance Ronaldo would come back here as a player or a coach.
Gotta love football and how opinions change quickly!I would expect them to be gone if we actually appointment a manager with a clue like Conte.
Jose lost a lot when Rui Faria went and thought he would be okay with some nobody assistants but in reality he needed help dealing with big players and coaching. I said it a year ago they've offered nothing to our play or player development and Carrick is just there with the same glum expression since he was hired. There's more wrong with other staff, the diets, we've had too many players get overweight or bulky, be resistant to training.
Doesn't take long for player to come here and transition to be sluggish.
McKenna does look a bit like Phil Neville to be fair .For a start he thinks Phil Neville is one of our coaches. Or that there is the slightest chance Ronaldo would come back here as a player or a coach.
You have some flawed logic. Different people have different opinions. You and some others are too quick to say the fans this, redcafe that oh look as if we're some hive mind.Gotta love football and how opinions change quickly!
Conte got binned off by Chelsea for being sh!t near the end of his spell! Our fans were largely horrified by the idea of Conte coming here, a kind of Jose lite negative guy.
Then he took Lukaku and Sanchez to his team, when both looked dreadful here last year.
So I don't know if Conte is suddenly quality again
How would you describe the style of play and tactics we played under McKenna at U18 level?I maintain that I think McKenna will go on to have a very successful career, we don't play anything like we did when he coached the U18s so I don't know if he has any influence on the first team. I will say though, if we played like the U18s did under him then we wouldn't be flirting with relegation.
Feck knows about Carrick though, I don't know what he does, how good he is and how much influence he does/doesn't have.
Not sure who’s in charge but I’d wager we do a lot of sideways and backpassing. We’re really good at it so it can’t be by accident.What do we actually do during training sessions and who's in charge of them?
This is interesting.Its not just about implementing youth, Chelsea and Derby have had senior players performing well too. No one is performing for us.
The second part is what I am getting at. Frank and Jody Morris are great friends who will take each others advice and an inexperienced Frank will be heavily relying on Jody's huge success at youth level. Meanwhile, McKenna has no connection to Mourinho or Ole and thus neither have any reason to give his style any importance. It is telling that we play nothing like McKenna's style and during the short period when Ole first joined and said he didn't have time to coach the squad and it was all on McKenna and Carrick, we played fantastic football. Just like all of McKenna's other teams.
It isn't really because McKenna and Carrick apparently still take all of the coaching sessions.This is interesting.
I said the exact opposite.When some fans were mauling Mourinho for his football, they lauded Carrick and especially McKenna as the second coming! Cant be bothered to hunt out the posts but there were so many of them!
Well???? WTF have these two been upto?
In the case of Ole, I don't see any reason why he would take precedence over Ole's tactics.Normally I would like this, but I doubt Mckenna is going to have much influence given that Mou said, "There are many good coaches but I like to make my assistants. I don't like coaches who are already trained, I like to shape them to my way of thinking and they grow with me and I also grow with them."
If that's the case then we lost a good u18 coach for a yes man or someone who won't change Mou.
This isn't true at all. We had Sbragia being the direct opposite of McKenna despite the same players. We've also had Warren Joyce being manager with our youth players, and he played conservative despite having superior talent (not the same generation of players), though he did win.When you have tuanzebe greenwood and chong plus gomez at u18 that's like having messi naldo in the premier league everything looks good
Maybe. As others mentioned, McKenna U-18 style was different. Also the longer Ole was in charge, the more the team becomes dysfunctional after the initial excellent outburst (which Ole admitted he didn't have any influence).It isn't really because McKenna and Carrick apparently still take all of the coaching sessions.
Could it be that there is a slight difference in quality between u18s and the Premier League? Or should you also take into account Ole's record with the reserves?Maybe. As others mentioned, McKenna U-18 style was different. Also the longer Ole was in charge, the more the team becomes dysfunctional after the initial excellent outburst (which Ole admitted he didn't have any influence).
It's not really about record, but rather a rough outline on how they played. You'd have to ask someone who watched the reserves if they were great going forward or rather if they were adventurous or conservative.Could it be that there is a slight difference in quality between u18s and the Premier League? Or should you also take into account Ole's record with the reserves?
Interesting bump.Oh ffs just fecking enjoy the football and stop with these threads
A sideways merchant couldn't be further from the truth.When Carrick retired as a player he suddenly became the best thing ever and everyone rewrote his career with us.
I suspect his coaching is as bland as he was as a player. He has always been a sideways merchant and in coaching it is displayed
It looks like Mourinho is back at the bench again, isn't it? Feels like there are two Mourinho's sitting on the bench now, the football is that much boring and the players seems not so "lifted" these days...Hard to say but for the players to look at the bench and see encouragement instead of Mourinho's contempt must lift the players and drive them on.
Yep, that post aged well didn't it?It looks like Mourinho is back at the bench again, isn't it? Feels like there are two Mourinho's sitting on the bench now, the football is that much boring and the players seems not so "lifted" these days...
It sure did.. Not just this post, many posts from this thread is pure gold nowYep, that post aged well didn't it?
Why wouldn't Ole have coaching influence?If we accept that Ole/Phelan doesn't really have much coaching influence at the club - is it fair to say that these two are responsible for our poor ball movement and uncoordinated pressing?
Does Ole need to look at freshening up his coaching team in the summer? Question is, are there many high rated coaches out there willing to take on the coaching job while letting Ole keep the matchday fun to himself.
From according to many, Ole's taken a late Fergie years approach to the training ground. And Phelan's his man management guy.Why wouldn't Ole have coaching influence?
Phelan is a whole other issue for me. I still think if Ole stays on, we should boot him. I'm not convinced by him and our football notably got worse when he replace Quieroz as the #2 to SAF.
You should know better than thatI actually thought this was going to be a bump praising Carrick for his work with Matic, Pogba, McTominay and Fred and McKenna for his work unlocking Rashford, Greenwood and Martial. Turns out I couldn’t have been more wrong
After one tough game they’re responsible for poor passing?is it fair to say that these two are responsible for our poor ball movement and uncoordinated pressing?